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Examiner: Gardaí investigate forum comments about Roma

  • 09-11-2013 11:12AM
    #1
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/1109/ireland/probe-into-web-comments-about-roma-249083.html
    Gardaí are investigating an Irish online forum over comments aimed at the Roma community.

    Dublin TD Maureen O’Sullivan has asked Justice Minister Alan Shatter if the site would be liable under the Incitement to Hatred Act if racist comments were found to be made.

    Right so, initial interesting thread locked because it was started by a re-reg. Presumably the Examiner on a slow news day because I was under the impression that making racist/xenophobic comments online was a no-no, however it seems that a horse racing forum and it's users might be getting itself into hot water over comments made on it about certain Roma people.

    It seems the forum in question is 'members only' but even still it could be held liable for incitement to hatred over the comments.

    Thoughts, comments, questions? The floor is open folks.


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Comments

  • #2
    dmc17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭dmc17


    I'm not a fan of AS Roma myself. I prefer Juventus


  • #3
    full_irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭full_irish


    The Roma... they're a great bunch of lads!


  • #4
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    dmc17 wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of AS Roma myself. I prefer Juventus

    Grr juventus! Those black.. And white.. Jersey wearing so and so's


  • #5
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,560 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    PC non-sense


  • #6
    Local_Chap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Local_Chap


    dmc17 wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of AS Roma myself

    There having a good season so far, top of the table at the moment!


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  • #7
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    dmc17 wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of AS Roma myself. I prefer Juventus

    HATER!!


  • #8
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Local_Chap wrote: »
    There having a good season so far, top of the table at the moment!

    Unbeaten too, just took Juventus' record for the best ever start


  • #9
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Local_Chap wrote: »
    There having a good season so far, top of the table at the moment!

    Top of the racial profiling table!


  • #10
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Local_Chap wrote: »
    There having a good season so far, top of the table at the moment!

    I think that might be racist (footballist?) against those at the bottom of the table.


  • #11
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Probably was only a matter of time.
    A small number of people seem to think the internet is a place they can post bile and hatred with impunity, so sooner or later action will have to be taken.


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  • #12
    TheBoffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭TheBoffin


    A small number of people seem to think the internet is a place they can post bile and hatred with impunity, so sooner or later action will have to be taken.

    Agreed, It amazes me that some will post on here what they would never say in public.


  • #13
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Probably was only a matter of time.
    A small number of people seem to think the internet is a place they can post bile and hatred with impunity, so sooner or later action will have to be taken.

    yes a small number of people of people think they can commit crime at will, action should be taken sooner rather than late


  • #14
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Boombastic wrote: »
    yes a small number of people of people think they can commit crime at will, action should be taken sooner rather than late

    Who decides what is offensive and what is not?


  • #15
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Boombastic wrote: »
    yes a small number of people of people think they can commit crime at will, action should be taken sooner rather than late

    Anyone who breaks the law should be subject to the legal consequences.


  • #16
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    It really depends on what was said. I mean even here we can say "I don't like the Romas" but you can't start blindly insulting them or saying they should be shot, etc.

    Could be a slippery slope or could be (I think this part) a good point. If a website is letting people go around posting stuff that's gonna lead to trouble I don't see why the site shouldn't get into trouble.


  • #17
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    wazky wrote: »
    Who decides what is offensive and what is not?

    pavee point


  • #18
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    If only there was a better way to use police time...hmm...


  • #19
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Fcukin Roma disgusts me.

    Borza ftw!!!!!


  • #20
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Boombastic wrote: »
    pavee point

    Childish post.
    The Incitement to Hatred act applies to more than just Travellers.
    And it is the DPP who decides who gets prosecuted under it., and the courts who determine a verdict.


  • #21
    knird evol
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭knird evol


    wazky wrote: »
    Who decides what is offensive and what is not?

    Enda Kenny.


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  • #22
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Wright wrote: »
    If only there was a better way to use police time...hmm...

    What could be better a way than investigating crime?:confused:


  • #23
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Childish post.
    The Incitement to Hatred act applies to more than just Travellers.
    And it is the DPP who decides who gets prosecuted under it., and the courts who determine a verdict.

    who mentioned travellers? pavee point also represent the roma community.


  • #24
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Childish post.
    The Incitement to Hatred act applies to more than just Travellers.
    And it is the DPP who decides who gets prosecuted under it., and the courts who determine a verdict.

    IIRC, it was the thing with Travellers that prompted it.
    I think it's anything bad under: orientation/religion/race/Traveller/nationality/etc


  • #25
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Boombastic wrote: »
    who mentioned travellers? pavee point also represent the roma community.

    And they'd still be covered by it.
    What's your point? I really don't get what you mean.


  • #26
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    What could be better a way than investigating crime?:confused:

    Investigating actual crime.

    It's understandable if the poster made a threat, but if he was just slagging them off, yeah; better to put police on pawn shops to catch thieving junkies, or on known drug corners, or investigating assaults.

    Was 'junkies' too offensive? Hope the Gards don't put someone on to me now.


  • #27
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    And they'd still be covered by it.
    What's your point? I really don't get what you mean.

    the other poster seem to think pavee point deal exclusively with travellers, just clarifying they have a broader remit and are relevant to the Roma also


  • #28
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Wright wrote: »
    Investigating actual crime.

    It's understandable if the poster made a threat, but if he was just slagging them off, yeah; better to put police on pawn shops to catch thieving junkies, or on known drug corners, or investigating assaults.

    Was 'junkies' too offensive? Hope the Gards don't put someone on to me now.

    Incitement to Hatred, is an actual crime.


  • #29
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Incitement to Hatred, is an actual crime.

    Many things are criminal, but to varying degrees. Most are more severe than this, and arguing otherwise is just hair splitting semantics. I'm fairly sure the Gards have a large pile of 'more severe' to get through, let's have them do that first and then when they're finished that, they can move on to this. Unless someone makes an actual threat, then it's a different situation.


  • #30
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Wright wrote: »
    Many things are criminal, but to varying degrees. Most are more severe than this, and arguing otherwise is just hair splitting semantics. I'm fairly sure the Gards have a large pile of 'more severe' to get through, let's have them do that first and then when they're finished that, they can move on to this. Unless someone makes an actual threat, then it's a different situation.

    The details aren't given.
    Sure, if I post "ah f**l the Romas, bunch of scum" and the Gardaí investigate that then I think most people would agree it's a waste of time.
    For all we know it could have been a plot to go on a gangbeating of a bunch of street beggars that might be Romas or not.


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  • #31
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    Well then that would be absolutely fair enough. Any chance to prevent crime from happening in the first place should be a police priority.

    I guess that's the problem with this story, we just don't know.


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