Speeding Fine Advice Please

Originally posted by PHB


Because right there you are saying its ok to break the law a little

could you please quote where i said exactly what you siad there.

in fact, have i ever condone speeding anywhere?

did i ever mention it was fine to break the law?

i think you are making far too many assuptions.

now, again, i ask, your comparison about murder and speeding, is the speeder going at 71 miles an hour in a 70 mile an hour zone, and if so, then i would like to know what makes 71 miles an hour more dangerous than 70.

and if you are not talking about that, and you are in fact talking about doing 80 in a 70 mile an hour zone?

is it the difference between murder (your example, not mine) by shooting them in the head, or stabbing them?

by the way, since you seem to be a bit of a soothsayer

Originally posted by PHB



The reason I said this is because I knew you would say this.

did you know that i put that in there because i knew you would answer by saying that you knew i would say that?

Originally posted by Silverfish
I do so apologise for being overly sensitive about people being killed.

In the face of your charm and the use of your gentle persuasion, I retract my personal opinions to suit.

:mad:

i think your signiture is horrific.

only recently there have been hundreds of american men and women killed and countless iraqi's killed in iraq and i find your signiture inappropriate and totally distatsteful.

but i guess its ok for you do what you want and put other people down for asking a simple question.

dont you think you are being incredibly hypocritical?

lol
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by PHB
Thats never actually happened to me, but if it did I probably would. In my housing estate there are a lot of kids around so you'd be smart to go at about 5 miles an hour to be safe.

you will still kill someone at 5mph....

Originally posted by PHB
No I dont, point being?

my point being that you only have half the experience in this topic, and i have been on both sides, as driver, and as traffic accident victim

Originally posted by PHB
Theres is very little difference I agree.

but you have said that its more dangerous. i dont agree.
it may be the difference between lawful and illegal, but does it make it more dangerous?

Originally posted by PHB
Do you have a problem with the law, do you have a better idea?

no, i have no problem with the law. at all. period.
do i have a better idea?
not really, but at the end of the day, overzelous police officers are a pain in the bum.

Originally posted by PHB

Why do I think the law is set at 70?

no idea. i think its a stupid law. most people speed. sorry, strick that. everybody speeds. not one drive can claim they dont. they do 35 in a 40mph zone, they do 85 on a motorway, and they do 20 in a 15mhp residential zone.

Originally posted by PHB

You probably know why the law is set at 70, because you claim there is no difference between 70 and 71? This would suggest you know why they are set this way, and if so perhaps you could inform us?

there is no difference.
its a limit.
a border.
however, a lot of the people here have screamed speeding kills.
but seriously, arte you telling me that those people all think that driving at 71 makes it more dangerous than 70?
i'll be honest and say that no, it doesnt.

Originally posted by PHB

And you came on and gave out to people for saying that they should have to pay the fine, which implys that you think it is ok to break the law, but im sure you could clear it up in the next post what exactly your opinion is?

again, dont turn it on me. i didnt make the assumptions, you did.
i didnt make any accusations. you did.

my opinion is that speeding doesnt kill. dangerous driving kills.
if that means driving aa car that is not roadworthy, driving under the influence of alcophol/drugs, driving faster than commen sense says you should (for instance i wouldnt do 130 on a motorway even though my car could) driving with no lights on in the dark.
dangerous driving kills.
and car accidents are not always a drivers fault either.

i bet as a pedestrian you walk over roads all the time. i bet you dont always wait for the green man to cross do you. i bet you jay-walk. thasts a crime. and you know what, you could walk out on a road, someone could swerve to miss you and crash their car. and you just killed someone.

so, a few miles an hour extra on a motorway, as opposed to you killing someone by walking ona road.

6 of one, and half a dozen of the other isnt it?

by the way, ever notice that most road deaths are in the country. a third of the countries population is in dublin, yet the country has more traffic accidents.
drink driving.
but of course, i bet they were speeding as well, and thats why people died......

I dont disagree that drunken driving kills, but I think that you have a lot of faith in people to follow their own common sense.

You will say that you wouldn't drive 130 on a motorway because its just not common sense.
But the simple fact is that some people will say its perfectly fine to drive at 130.

Thats why the law is there, because people can't be trusted to follow their own common sense.

Ahhh taxi drivers, "the knowledge" in more ways than one.

Eamo, you are coming across like an over-protective gurrier, protecting his mot. That or an offensive troll.

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
you will still kill someone at 5mph....

Yes you can, but it's quite rare.

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
however, a lot of the people here have screamed speeding kills. but seriously, are you telling me that those people all think that driving at 71 makes it more dangerous than 70? so, a few miles an hour extra on a motorway, as opposed to you killing someone by walking ona road.

One of the physics students out there will confirm it, but if I remember right, the energy in a body is proportional to the square of the speed, so while going from 70 to 71 and breaking the technical limit in the law (and the law is technical), the energy in the vehicle increases nearly 3%. Part of the reason why there has been a real drop in the number of RTA deaths in Dublin City Council area is because of traffic calming speeds and generally lower speeds.

Take a look at http://www.nra.ie/RoadSafety/RoadSafetyRecords/ and the associated reports - speed and/or alcohol are the main killers. Drivers are the major and disproportionate cause of accidents.

Originally posted by Gordon
Is jaywalking a crime in ireland? I didn't think it was.

It was made a specific offence in the last few years.

ha ha,

f u n n y angry little people.

GRRRRRRRRR

You should see the way that causes of road fatalities are labelled. Never is it because of "excessive speed".

You will find that the official cause of most accidents is "Excessive speed having regard to the conditions" (my emphasis)

This includes driving below the speed limit, but still too fast for the conditions (e.g. 25mph in really heavy snow).

Speeding is relative. If speeding kills, everybody who got on an aeroplane would end up dead. The conditions in the air dictate that it is perfectly safe to travel at 400mph plus.
Just as it could be safe to do 100mph on an empty motorway.

Originally posted by Victor
The thing is how many people survive aircraft crashes at 400mph?

How many crashes have taken place at this speed though. I can only think of one, and ATC were to blame for it.

Originally posted by Victor
While it could be safe to do 100mph on a motorway, the law says it isn't, save in an emergency.

In any case these roads have a design speed of 120kmh (75mph) and given the variability in speedometers and other factors, this is why the law says 70mph.

I agree with you on this one and I don't have any problem sticking to 70 on motorways. It just annoys me that people spout out "speed kills" without any form of qualification (of the statement, obviously you don't need to be a doctor to have an opinion:)).

It's like saying motorbikes are dangerous or games make kids go to their schools and shoot people, or the Internet is responsible for people not being able to communicate... umm...

Seems to me that some people (PHB specifically, for one) have an issue with MAJD wanting to know how her friends could "avoid punishment for breaking the law".

Seems to me that the original question was, in fact, more along the lines of 'what would happen IF they simply decided not to pay the fine', and that question has been answered.

Human beings have a talent for blowing things out of proportion. They also have a talent for stating and re-stating the obvious until blue in the face. Oh, and going off at tangents too. Leinster were clearly rubbish yesterday...

Anyway, it also seems to me that all the petty bickering and squabbling about how MAJD's friends are the spawn of Satan for driving at 10mph over the limit in the first place is on the whole pointless and possibly irrelevant in that from what I can see, the issue isn't really the act of breaking the law by speeding itself - but more so the consequences of not paying the fine.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, of course... and feel free to do it in a calm and intelligent manner (*).






(*: hahahahahahahaha...!)

Originally posted by Silent Bob
Speeding is relative. If speeding kills, everybody who got on an aeroplane would end up dead. The conditions in the air dictate that it is perfectly safe to travel at 400mph plus.

Heh, that's different. It's only safe to have the plane travelling so fast. Any slower and you run the risk of strong winds pulling you out of the sky. I'm no aeronautical engineer, but I'd assume that if a 737 was travelling slower than 250mph in the air, it would drop out of the sky. If your car is doing 25 on the motorway, you're not destined to crash.

Conditions dictate what's safe, but at the same time, doing 120mph on a single lane country road can never be safe, regardless of conditions. Doing 120mph on the motorway can be safe too, but more from a point of other road users - if you crash on the motorway, you've less chance of taking anyone else to hell with you.

For the purpose of argument, I usually drive 10-15mph faster than the rest of the traffic, because I can. I'm only going to kill myself if I crash. I won't do anythign stupid. There's a world of difference between speeding and being a complete spa on the roads.