Royal Marine Found Guilty of Murder

wazky · 09-11-2013 12:28AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Considering they haven't been sent via Ireland's triple lock mechanism for deploying troops abroad their deployment in Afghanistan is questionable.

However, they are operating in a non-combat role training EOD teams.

There are (or were) six Gardai stationed in Afghanistan at one stage. I'd love to hear them stopping lads in Kabul saying 'would you mind stepping out of the veh-ickle, I have reason to believe you have drink taken'

Is she taxed and NCT'ed? Also your reg plate isn't in the right font.

Guy:Incognito · 09-11-2013 12:28AM

wazky wrote: »

How many Irish soldiers are implicated in that?, they aren't British soldiers you know.

Per head it's probably going to take a while before 1 gets around to it.

Karl Stein · 09-11-2013 12:28AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The answer to everything is just going to revolve around how evil the US/UK/NATO etc are, isn't it?

My responses are to those working from a point where the US/UK/NATO have no responsibility for what's happening in the world and are nothing but 'soldiers of virtue' just trying to educate the little girls.

Which needs to be exposed for the utter bollocks that it is.

Guy:Incognito · 09-11-2013 12:29AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

There are (or were) six Gardai stationed in Afghanistan at one stage. I'd love to hear them stopping lads in Kabul saying 'would you mind stepping out of the veh-ickle, I have reason to believe you have drink taken'

Were they not there helping and supporting the police force of the US puppet regime? Surely that makes them complicit?

wazky · 09-11-2013 12:29AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Per head it's probably going to take a while before 1 gets around to it.

Or maybe they won't do it at all maybe?, as I said the Irish Army doesn't have such a colourful history as the British counterparts.

Busted Flat. · 09-11-2013 12:30AM

wazky wrote: »

Shows how bad this particular act was when a British court convicted one of their OWN soldiers for murder, rarer than hens teeth.

Maybe someday they will bring in an IQ test for their efforts to win hearts and minds. They failed miserably in the occupied counties in our country. In the end of the day they lost, because of courages men and women who said no, and taught them a lesson, which it took how many years in Iraq And Afghanistan to find out they had to retreat with their tails between their legs after their defeat.
Do the establishment care, no, how many young kids thought their future was in the BA, how many came back in body bags, how many came back without limbs, how many came back and took their own lives, how many are in jail that could not handle life after such an ordeal. The establishment have a lot to answer for.

Karl Stein · 09-11-2013 12:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What you think about the US and UK seems to be pretty relevant though.

There's a difference between the people of the US/UK (the majority of whom are in favour of withdrawal from Afghanistan despite the propaganda btw) and those who command foreign policy.

whats the point · 09-11-2013 12:35AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That wasn't the question. Whether theres 7 or 7000 , they are still there.

I'm pretty sure there is more than 7 of these guys fighting in Syria on behave
of England, Are we to assume all of these guys represent England?

Fratton Fred · 09-11-2013 12:37AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Considering they haven't been sent via Ireland's triple lock mechanism for deploying troops abroad their deployment in Afghanistan is questionable.

However, they are operating in a non-combat role training EOD teams.

There are (or were) six Gardai stationed in Afghanistan at one stage. I'd love to hear them stopping lads in Kabul saying 'would you mind stepping out of the veh-ickle, I have reason to believe you have drink taken'

The triple lock being what?

UN sanction - check (and voted for by the Irish government as part of the security council)
Presidential approval - check
Dail vote - not needed on a small deployment.

They are part of ISAF, as are Britain.

Are they invading foreign terrorists?

Busted Flat. · 09-11-2013 12:38AM

whats the point wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there is more than 7 of these guys fighting in Syria on behave
of England, Are we to assume all of these guys represent England?

Do you recognize him by his mask or his AK47.

Fratton Fred · 09-11-2013 12:39AM

wazky wrote: »

So you are saying that 7 Irish soldiers is the same as the massive British/American etc force that is over there too?, are you for real?

The Irish role is purely ceremonial at best.

No it isn't, they are part of ISAF. Are they invading foreign terrorists?

The_Gatsby · 09-11-2013 12:41AM

You hear "Royal Marine killed injured terrorist" and you think ah ok, they're soldiers. They're trained to kill and who knows some of the **** they've seen. You might be able to justify it. But if you listen to the audio tape it's clear that it's pre meditated cold blooded murder. I'm a big supporter of the British Forces in general but I think what these lads did is inexcusable and they've been rightly locked up.

They not only murdered a man but I bet Al-Queda have gained a few new members off the back of this. Also, what must the ordinary Afghan people think? Not very good for public relations to say the least.

Gee Bag · 09-11-2013 12:49AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The triple lock being what?

UN sanction - check (and voted for by the Irish government as part of the security council)
Presidential approval - check
Dail vote - not needed on a small deployment.

They are part of ISAF, as are Britain.

Are they invading foreign terrorists?

two out of three parts for the triple lock, there is no way any more than ten soldiers being deployed to Afghanistan would get Dail approval.

I never said they were invading foreign terrorists, stop attributing other peoples quotes to me.

Gee Bag · 09-11-2013 12:51AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Were they not there helping and supporting the police force of the US puppet regime? Surely that makes them complicit?

I've asked you once already to stop putting words in my mouth.

Try and respond to what I've actually posted.

cerastes · 09-11-2013 12:52AM

it was the butler

Busted Flat. · 09-11-2013 12:56AM

whats the point wrote: »

No, by the colour of his skin

Sad.

Guy:Incognito · 09-11-2013 01:05AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

I've asked you once already to stop putting words in my mouth.

Try and respond to what I've actually posted.

You called the Afghan government a US puppet government and you said there were 6 Gardaí there. What were they there for? Was it to aid any agents of the government?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1019/137000-afghanistan/

So whats wrong with what I said?

Gee Bag · 09-11-2013 01:11AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You called the Afghan government a US puppet government

Yet again your mixing me up with another poster.

This is getting tiresome Guy

Guy:Incognito · 09-11-2013 01:14AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Yet again your mixing me up with another poster.

This is getting tiresome Guy

My bad. I did. So presumably you support the legitimate government there and are happy they want the US troops?

Gee Bag · 09-11-2013 01:22AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

My bad. I did. So presumably you support the legitimate government there and are happy they want the US troops?

At this stage the war can't be won. I think they (the Afghan government) should start talking to the Talliban and try and make peace. If not, they'll be wiped out when ISAF leave and it'll be all back to square one. The bulk of american troops are going to be leaving soon anyway.

nacho libre · 09-11-2013 01:43AM

you know the true worth of your enemy, when they go from being cast by politicians as a henious foe that you can't negotiate with, to then being cast as a important player in an overall settlement.

RoyalMarine · 09-11-2013 01:53AM

it wasn't me just in case anyone's interested.

Lapin · 09-11-2013 02:32AM

Corvo wrote: »

Royal Marine Guilty Of Murdering Afghan Fighter

Hero.

His sentence is an abomination.

British soldiers protect us while we sleep.

We should never forget that.

That Afghan 'fighter' would think nothing of killing your mother / sister / daughter.

Fúck him.

This British soldier should be released immediately.

Micky Dolenz · 09-11-2013 02:57AM

War is an ugly business.

WilyCoyote · 09-11-2013 03:04AM

Lapin wrote: »

Hero.

His sentence is an abomination.

British soldiers protect us while we sleep.

We should never forget that.

That Afghan 'fighter' would think nothing of killing your mother / sister / daughter.

Fúck him.

This British soldier should be released immediately.

If the squaddie wants to protect people as they sleep, why not deploy to Willesden, Hackney, Clapton, Moss Side, Balsall Heath, Toxteth and some of the Northern towns?

I guess you also believe that the Black&Tans came to Ireland as peacekeepers?

darced · 09-11-2013 03:14AM

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Lapin · 09-11-2013 03:23AM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If the squaddie wants to protect people as they sleep, why not deploy to Willesden, Hackney, Clapton, Moss Side, Balsall Heath, Toxteth and some of the Northern towns?

I don't understand you here.

North and East London areas, districts in working class areas elsewhere (some afflicted by riots in the past). And the reference to 'Northern towns'.

Whats your point?

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I guess you also believe that the Black&Tans came to Ireland as peacekeepers?

Of course I don't.

But again, I don't see the connection.

Arbitarily introducng the Black & Tans into a discussion dimminishes any debate.

09-11-2013 03:29AM

Lapin wrote: »

That Afghan 'fighter' would think nothing of killing your mother / sister / daughter.

Fúck him.

This British soldier should be released immediately.

Not every person fighting for the Taliban is an extremist though, I think it was in the Doug Beattie book where he described how many of them would simply be locals conscripted or pressganged or simply after a few bucks. Also do not forget that many of the current afghan army and police also fought for the taliban previously, did they suddenly go from evil, murdering extremists to law and order loving democrats as soon as they decided they would get better looked after in the APA?

I guess it's just easier to dehumanise them for propaganda efforts, it makes it easier that way to justify flattening a village or wiping out entire families if people can convince themselves that they just killed a great evil.

WilyCoyote · 09-11-2013 03:32AM

Lapin wrote: »

I don't understand you here.

North and East London areas, districts in working class areas elsewhere (some afflicted by riots in the past). And the reference to 'Northern towns'.

Whats your point?

Of course I don't.

But again, I don't see the connection.

Bringing the Black & Tans into a discussion dimminishes any debate.

The places I mentioned are hell holes. The Northern towns? Parts of Bradford, Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham, Middlesborough, Blackpool, Blackburn and Stoke (to name a few) ...........

The Black&Tans did much the same as this mindless mercenary.

diomed · 09-11-2013 03:38AM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Cop on yourself and live in the real world.

The real world says "guilty".

Royal Marine Found Guilty of Murder

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