cost of beef nuts

max12 · 07-11-2013 11:29AM #1

sorry if this has been asked before on here.

what are people paying per tonne for beef nuts 16 or 18% collected. Not in bulk so would not be getting any big discount. often buy in small 25 kg bags. i know this is dearer but only have 20 store cattle for winter.

i seem to usually paying 350e a tonne - often more whilst i see on here talking about 300e or maybe less

towzer2010 · 07-11-2013 11:41AM

max12 wrote: »

sorry if this has been asked before on here.

what are people paying per tonne for beef nuts 16 or 18% collected. Not in bulk so would not be getting any big discount. often buy in small 25 kg bags. i know this is dearer but only have 20 store cattle for winter.

i seem to usually paying 350e a tonne - often more whilst i see on here talking about 300e or maybe less

That's very dear. Connaught Gold's Super Beef which is 16% is €8.20 per 25kg bag collected without bulk discount. That works out at €328 per tonne and that's still dear.

Farmer Pudsey · 07-11-2013 12:17PM

When you talk about bulk are you talking about going into a bin. You can also buy by the pallet this is 1.75 ton. All you need is a secure place to store and keep poison out before you buy and keep it out.

I know farmers that are getting goo bag rations at present at 260/ton collected ( often only take 20bags) 0r about 280 delivered (pallet 70 bags 490 delivered). Anybody paying more than 7/bag collected is being rode in my opinion.

Trick is to shop around get quotes for 1/2 ton collected or pallets delivered. Try mills that you may pass in the line of work and be able to collect on the way home. Rations tend to be 15/ton cheaper than nuts.

max12 · 07-11-2013 01:43PM

towzer2010 wrote: »

That's very dear. Connaught Gold's Super Beef which is 16% is €8.20 per 25kg bag collected without bulk discount. That works out at €328 per tonne and that's still dear.

are there any nuts or ration that are 18% suitabler for stores

reilig · 07-11-2013 03:21PM

max12 wrote: »

are there any nuts or ration that are 18% suitabler for stores

Would 18% not be a waste of money for stores?

I'm feeding Pattons Golden thrive which is 16% to weinlings and pedigree bulls. Finding it good stuff. 3 ton yesterday @ €290 per ton.

towzer2010 · 07-11-2013 03:34PM

max12 wrote: »

are there any nuts or ration that are 18% suitabler for stores

They have a super bull nut that is 18% but I wouldn't be feeding that to stores. Here is the link to their website.
http://www.aurivo.ie/our-businesses/animal-feeds/beef/#excelbeef

towzer2010 · 07-11-2013 03:42PM

reilig wrote: »

Would 18% not be a waste of money for stores?

I'm feeding Pattons Golden thrive which is 16% to weinlings and pedigree bulls. Finding it good stuff. 3 ton yesterday @ €290 per ton.

Was that delivered and in bulk or bags? Sounds very good value. My problem is that there is really only 1 option near me. Stewarts used to be good but they are gone as well. Or at least gone from where they used to be.

max12 · 07-11-2013 06:43PM

reilig wrote: »

Would 18% not be a waste of money for stores?

why would 18% be a waste of money? surely the more protein the better for store cattle between 10 and 22 months.

severeoversteer · 07-11-2013 08:02PM

why waste your money at the mills

im mixing my own
18% protein
13.8 me
very high starch €230 a tonne

might use a few gallons of molasses to get them started on it

reilig · 07-11-2013 09:17PM

max12 wrote: »

why would 18% be a waste of money? surely the more protein the better for store cattle between 10 and 22 months.

I always understood that high protein was for frame growth in young cattle. Then low protein is best for putting flesh on them for finishing? Plenty of threads here about it over the years.

reilig · 07-11-2013 09:19PM

towzer2010 wrote: »

Was that delivered and in bulk or bags? Sounds very good value. My problem is that there is really only 1 option near me. Stewarts used to be good but they are gone as well. Or at least gone from where they used to be.

Delivered and blown into a store. They'll deliver anywhere if you have the storage. I thought Stewart's were split from kiernan's again and back open in Boyle?

TUBBY · 07-11-2013 09:24PM

that's right reilig. Stewarts are now Boyle mills. Have some decent mixes at fairly competitive prices. Was pricing round. They willing to send a nutritionist out also to tailor to requirements. He calling to me next week.

mf240 · 07-11-2013 09:34PM

severeoversteer wrote: »

why waste your money at the mills

im mixing my own
18% protein
13.8 me
very high starch €230 a tonne

might use a few gallons of molasses to get them started on it

What straight are you using? And what protien source.

reilig · 07-11-2013 09:45PM

TUBBY wrote: »

that's right reilig. Stewarts are now Boyle mills. Have some decent mixes at fairly competitive prices. Was pricing round. They willing to send a nutritionist out also to tailor to requirements. He calling to me next week.

Some serious competition around these parts for ration now with them back in the game - they will be undercutting to try to to get back into the market. Bought a lot from them in the past and always found them good!

towzer2010 · 07-11-2013 11:07PM

reilig wrote: »

Delivered and blown into a store. They'll deliver anywhere if you have the storage. I thought Stewart's were split from kiernan's again and back open in Boyle?

I had heard that they were going to split but didn't know they were open as Boyle mills. They used to have very good stuff.

micky mouse · 07-11-2013 11:54PM

max12 wrote: »

sorry if this has been asked before on here.

what are people paying per tonne for beef nuts 16 or 18% collected. Not in bulk so would not be getting any big discount. often buy in small 25 kg bags. i know this is dearer but only have 20 store cattle for winter.

i seem to usually paying 350e a tonne - often more whilst i see on here talking about 300e or maybe less

Get your hands on a bulk bag and call in to your local Connacht gold store,get a half ton lose out of their bin,will cost ya 300 for the super beef nut as of last week

severeoversteer · 08-11-2013 12:02AM

mf240 wrote: »

What straight are you using? And what protien source.

barley and gluten
am getting both at competitive price

similar 2 way mix in mills is 265 euro

my mix is 60:40 gluten and barley

shouldnt be giving you this info
its top secret!:D

towzer2010 · 08-11-2013 12:43AM

micky mouse wrote: »

Get your hands on a bulk bag and call in to your local Connacht gold store,get a half ton lose out of their bin,will cost ya 300 for the super beef nut as of last week

€300. For half a tonne??????

bbam · 08-11-2013 10:37AM

Picked up 720kg in my IBC last weekend..
Lakeland 15% was €270/ton collected.. No dust, I hate to see dust in bulk meal, Pattons seems very dusty.

hugo29 · 08-11-2013 11:29AM

getting my black bin filled for €230, filled in yard

good ration

Farmer Pudsey · 08-11-2013 12:14PM

bbam wrote: »

Picked up 720kg in my IBC last weekend..
Lakeland 15% was €270/ton collected.. No dust, I hate to see dust in bulk meal, Pattons seems very dusty.

The reason that some nut tend to be more dusty than others is down to the level of molasses used. Molasses is used to bind the nut. I seldom use a nut as it costs 15/ton extra. The present ration I feed is a milled ration with a bit of nut through it. It tends to be very dusty however cattle seem to be preforming well on it.

Molasses is a good feed but it las a low DM content.

reilig · 08-11-2013 12:37PM

Mollasses is just a cheap binder for ration. It weighs 1.25kg per litre. It's grand for maintaining animals, but most people buy ration to make animals grow and put condition on them. Prefer to see what's in my dusty ration than be buying something that's binded with mollasses.

At the end of the day, if you're paying for ration, why pay for mollasses in it which just adds a lot of weight and little feed value!

bob charles · 08-11-2013 04:12PM

reilig wrote: »

Mollasses is just a cheap binder for ration. It weighs 1.25kg per litre. It's grand for maintaining animals, but most people buy ration to make animals grow and put condition on them. Prefer to see what's in my dusty ration than be buying something that's binded with mollasses.

At the end of the day, if you're paying for ration, why pay for mollasses in it which just adds a lot of weight and little feed value!

I dont agree with you Reilig, I use allot of molasses in the finishing rations often up to 7 - 8% of the total intakes if I was tight of grub, I use it to substitute for Sugar beet when I dont have that. I find molasses keeps the stomach in perfect working order with the sugars, keeps the intakes up and gets the best out of the other feeds fed with it. Only problem I have with molasses is paying for it:(

reilig · 08-11-2013 04:23PM

bob charles wrote: »

I dont agree with you Reilig, I use allot of molasses in the finishing rations often up to 7 - 8% of the total intakes if I was tight of grub, I use it to substitute for Sugar beet when I dont have that. I find molasses keeps the stomach in perfect working order with the sugars, keeps the intakes up and gets the best out of the other feeds fed with it. Only problem I have with molasses is paying for it:(

Super for what it is, but not when you are paying near €300 per ton for it mixed with meal.

bob charles · 08-11-2013 04:26PM

reilig wrote: »

Super for what it is, but not when you are paying near €300 per ton for it mixed with meal.

No thats just how you ride someone for a 100 a ton :mad:, why can companies just take a fair margin when doing business, do most companies not want to do long term business

Farmer Pudsey · 08-11-2013 05:04PM

reilig wrote: »

Super for what it is, but not when you are paying near €300 per ton for it mixed with meal.

At present you should be able to buy basic rations collected in half ton's for 270/ton. Any lad/lassie going into a co-op and paying more than 7/bag is an idiot for a basic a ration and more than 7.50 bag for specialist feeds is off there rocker.

I saw some lad quoting was it 7/bag for 20kgs of barley that is 350/ton. Barley in bulk is about 200/ton delivered 150/ton to bag and sell is a handsome margin.

I see lads buying a few nags of nuts a bag of maize, beetpulp and barley as they find the ration no use. Maybe leaving 50 euro every week in the local co-op/merchant. They by this mixture costing maybe over 8/bag when if they source a good basic ration feed an extra half kg if they have to it would be cheaper.

When farmers say there is no money in farming lads that pay this sort of money its crazy. There is bound to be another neighbour buying 5-10 bags a week as well get togeather price it and go for a spin and collect a half a ton each once a month.

Farmers that complain that there is no money in farming and allow themselves to be ripped off like this often make me wonder. We have to get away from going into the co-op every week with a 50 euro note in our hand.

mf240 · 08-11-2013 05:25PM

20 kgs of molasses per ton is all it takes to keep the dust down in a ration . So it's worth having It there.

A lot of farmers think that if they are only buying ten bags a week that they have no bargaining power, this is not the case, if you are a paying customer they won't want to lose you so shop around.

Muckit · 08-11-2013 07:12PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I saw some lad quoting was it 7/bag for 20kgs of barley that is 350/ton. Barley in bulk is about 200/ton delivered 150/ton to bag and sell is a handsome margin.

When farmers say there is no money in farming lads that pay this sort of money its crazy. There is bound to be another neighbour buying 5-10 bags a week as well get togeather price it and go for a spin and collect a half a ton each once a month.

Farmers that complain that there is no money in farming and allow themselves to be ripped off like this often make me wonder. We have to get away from going into the co-op every week with a 50 euro note in our hand.

I think the biggest problem with the small lad is storage. When you quote barley in bulk, how is this treated? The stuff in the bag won't heat, is there acid through it? I'm getting it for €5.50/bag. Can I improve my costs Puds?

bob charles · 08-11-2013 08:44PM

Muckit wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with the small lad is storage. When you quote barley in bulk, how is this treated? The stuff in the bag won't heat, is there acid through it? I'm getting it for €5.50/bag. Can I improve my costs Puds?

depends on how big your bag is:rolleyes: if its a 25kg bag thats working out at €220 a ton which is a fair price IMV. merchant has a few quid for drying and storing and then has the hassle of you calling around and chatting to him for an hour to buy your few bags

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reilig · 08-11-2013 09:38PM

How many farmers on here are feediing a basic ration?

In my own experiencee, a basic ration is only suitable for to supplement fodder when there is a shortage.

Ration is one of those things where the cheapest one is not always the best - It's important to know what is in each ration before you compare them by price!! Farmers aren't fools, most know what's in the ration that they feed. They also know the performance to expect from a ration - if they don't get it they will quickly change regardles of price!

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

At present you should be able to buy basic rations collected in half ton's for 270/ton. Any lad/lassie going into a co-op and paying more than 7/bag is an idiot for a basic a ration and more than 7.50 bag for specialist feeds is off there rocker.

I saw some lad quoting was it 7/bag for 20kgs of barley that is 350/ton. Barley in bulk is about 200/ton delivered 150/ton to bag and sell is a handsome margin.

I see lads buying a few nags of nuts a bag of maize, beetpulp and barley as they find the ration no use. Maybe leaving 50 euro every week in the local co-op/merchant. They by this mixture costing maybe over 8/bag when if they source a good basic ration feed an extra half kg if they have to it would be cheaper.

When farmers say there is no money in farming lads that pay this sort of money its crazy. There is bound to be another neighbour buying 5-10 bags a week as well get togeather price it and go for a spin and collect a half a ton each once a month.

Farmers that complain that there is no money in farming and allow themselves to be ripped off like this often make me wonder. We have to get away from going into the co-op every week with a 50 euro note in our hand.

caseman · 08-11-2013 10:46PM

This is my first year feeding straights, a big saving to be made but more work fedding it when the set up isn't 100%.
You can change you grub for difffrent type of stock and the different stages of feeding.

cost of beef nuts

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