Has The Entertainment Industry Become Worse?

Mar Mar Marmalade · 08-11-2013 04:12AM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

You're wrong op, very very wrong, or just old, but still wrong.

I wouldn't consider myself nor many others here wrong, just a different opinion. That's why I made this thread; to see if I'm the only one!

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To be fair, T.V is the least of my concern from the three considering there have been some good shows lately. Hmm.. maybe I just like old things.

May as well follow up on that retro hipster idea then :rolleyes:.

endacl · 08-11-2013 04:21AM

BNMC wrote: »

Poll question makes no sense.

Polls used to be better in the olden days...

FanadMan · 08-11-2013 04:52AM

BNMC wrote: »

You're just getting old.

Had voted Yes before I read any of the comments and this one echoed exactly what I was thinking. Most of the 90s music and TV was goodish, the 00s music was worse (the TV was a bit better) but the 10s music and TV is the worst pooh ever!

But, my dear OP, I'm getting a lot older and as such, I hate all new stuff. My father can't even listen to anything newer than the 60s without whinging.

Such is life OP

Get used to it - you are getting older with each second and as each second passes, your ear will get older along with you.

Your kids and grandkids will really hate the stuff you watch and listen to. And you'll hate their stuff

Mar Mar Marmalade · 08-11-2013 05:08AM

Lads, is 22 years of age considered old now?

Ted_YNWA · 08-11-2013 05:19AM

Mar Mar Marmalade wrote: »

Lads, is 22 years of age considered old now?

Middle aged..

Im in early 30's and already turning unto a Victor Meldrew crank.

Regularly think "How did that gob****e get on TV"

Don't have a Saorview box/Sky so no access to Irish channels , bar their players online Only thing I have watched all year on them is the odd GA game & love/game love...

As for what is classed as music these days, had a look at charts there a while back & of the top 30, could only recognise 5/6 songs.

kneemos · 08-11-2013 06:38AM

There's good music been made you just have to go looking for it.
Hollywood movies have become formulaic dross for
the most part .HBO is a guiding light in a sea of corporate spread sheets though.
We had Twink and Bunny Carr on the telly back in the day now we have Turbridy and Brendon O Carroll so no change there.

You could probably equate it to AH,not as interesting as it was due to political correctness.

Congratulations on the poll.Goes in the hall of fame.

The Humble Sausage · 08-11-2013 06:58AM

Mar Mar Marmalade wrote: »

Lads, is 22 years of age considered old now?

I think Gary glitter would say......yes.

08-11-2013 07:09AM

kneemos wrote: »

You could probably equate it to AH,not as interesting as it was due to political correctness.

Since April last year?

hardCopy · 08-11-2013 09:38AM

We now have the best TV shows since the invention of the TV imo.

Music and movies I'm not so sure about, Hollywood are producing a ridiculous amount of remakes but some of the blockbusters are as good as the 80s and 90s action movies.

Beefy78 · 08-11-2013 09:45AM

Stan Marsh went through this stage at the age of ten.

maximoose · 08-11-2013 09:50AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Stan Marsh went through this stage at the age of ten.

The President of the United States......is a duck

gobnaitolunacy · 08-11-2013 10:01AM

The high-end stuff will always be good, like classic movies or tv shows that don't date. Of course there was tons of sh*te movies in the so-called golden age of hollywood that are pretty much forgotten now, for good reason.

The 'disposable' entertainment will always be that, I don't think people will watch and re-watch I'm a Celebrity or X factor on box set.

The modern movie remarks are irritating, basically hollywood is scared ****less of moving outside their comfort zone...way hey another costumed comic book hero flick.

fishy fishy · 08-11-2013 10:13AM

mechanical altered music from people who cannot sing to save their lives, dumbed down "reality" shows on tV (who cares about some random people in some random town doing random things), sitcoms with mechanical laughter to tell you when you are supposed to laugh. Yes entertainment has gone way downhill. turn it off - make your own music.

seamus · 08-11-2013 10:17AM

hardCopy wrote: »

We now have the best TV shows since the invention of the TV imo.

I agree, I think the last 15/20 years has seen some of the best TV of all time, across all genres. This was when it was realised that TV had become a more profitable medium in advertising terms than film, so they started pumping those big budgets into TV programmes which would previously have been reserved for movies. Look at Friends - cast members earning $1m per 30 minute episode, when in the late 80s that would have been a full movie fee for many A-listers.

TV as a medium is dying on its feet. In the US, subscriber numbers are dropping rapidly as people switch to on-demand and FTA services. This was predicted in the early 00's that TV would die as people switched to on-demand, and tbh I couldn't see how that would work.

But it does. And what it will do is improve the standard of programming in many respects because so few people will actually want to watch "The secret life of Gypsy showjumpers" on demand.
But it may also have a groupthink effect whereby niche shows are smothered and cancelled because they're not hugely popular. But different types of content streaming (with ads/without ads/premium) will mean that different tiers of entertainment can continue to remain profitable even when they're blockbusters.

On the OP's question, yes you're getting old.

CruelCoin · 08-11-2013 10:18AM

Worse.

I'm fed to my back teeth with all this "dancing with x-factors talent on ice venezuela" crap.

desertcircus · 08-11-2013 10:23AM

Music is going through a pretty poor phase, and mainstream cinema is going through something similar (in both cases because piracy has left them with no clear idea of how to reliably make money anymore), but television is in the middle of an absolute golden age. The Wire, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, The West Wing and Battlestar Galactica could credibly be described as the five best TV series ever made, and they're all from the last fifteen years.

Dravokivich · 08-11-2013 10:41AM

The Entertainment Industry hasn't become worse. There's still loads of money in it. What's produced and marketed heavily is what sells. But if there's other stuff more to your taste, that's still about. Still being made. It's just not being shoved in your face everywhere, because it's not a quick package to put together and flog.

Starscream25 · 08-11-2013 10:42AM

Mar Mar Marmalade wrote: »

Haha, at my age?! I think not!

Maybe your just getting old earlier.

conorhal · 08-11-2013 10:59AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Gay Byrne and Twink used dress up as black people and sing on stage so no, entertainment hasn't gotten worse.

Instead we get Miley Cyrus appropriating black culture and twerking to promote her new album Bangerz, not really seeing the difference.....

I used to have a UGC annual cinema pass but I didn't renew it last year after I realised it had been months since I'd been to the cinema.
I may be prone to hollaring 'WORST YEAR FOR CINEMA EVER' a-la comic book guy, but the last couple of years really have been, even a movie buff like me perferred to stay home with a box set of good TV, and where I used to buy 5 or 6 albums a year (I'm not a huge music fan) last year I bought one.
Things have been looking up for cinema over the last few months though, and there are some releases I'm excited about over the comming months to perhaps we're seeing a cyclical down period finally turning around.

In general though, yes, the arts are at an all time creative low at the moment, hopefully as I pointed out, this is just a cyclical low and things will turn around.

c_man · 08-11-2013 11:33AM

desertcircus wrote: »

mainstream cinema is going through something similar (in both cases because piracy has left them with no clear idea of how to reliably make money anymore)

Of the top 10 grossing movies of all time, seven are from the last four years.

Starscream25 · 08-11-2013 11:37AM

c_man wrote: »

Of the top 10 grossing movies of all time, seven are from the last four years.

Yes but are these films as good as there profit would would suggest.
A big fat NO.

c_man · 08-11-2013 11:44AM

Starscream25 wrote: »

Yes but are these films as good as there profit would would suggest.
A big fat NO.

Right... but the point was about money making.

GLaDOS · 08-11-2013 11:50AM

Would disagree for the most part, certainly about music. I do think a lot of 'blockbuster' movies from the last 5 years or so are pretty poor though, mostly superhero's or sequels because they know it'll bring in the money.

08-11-2013 11:57AM

I wouldn't even say that the music industry is dying. People always compare music to the 60s/70s/80s, without realizing that the true icons, like Jimmy Hendrix and many others, were popular but not financially successful - didn't Hendrix only ever get 1 #1 single? Sure, we're in a phase where the likes of Rihanna, Beyonce, Miley Cyrus are popular, but there's tonnes of artists who still make incredible music. Those are the ones that will be remembered in 15-20+ years, not the popular ones.

As for movies, we've entered a time where a movie doesn't have a chance to become successful over a period of weeks. If it doesn't break some sort of box office record after the first weekend, then it would essentially be deemed a failure. So they make movies that they know will make money, the likes of Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean. But then we had Nolan come along with Inception and proved that a movie doesn't have to treat it's viewers like idiots and still make a tonne of money.

And TV, well TV is the future. But not as it exists now - the day of the Networks are over. While listening to the Roosterteeth podcast a few months ago, one of the participants mentioned how they had attended a conference on the future of TV. They realize it is ending, especially from pressure of subscription channels like HBO and Netflix.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Would disagree for the most part, certainly about music. I do think a lot of 'blockbuster' movies from the last 5 years or so are pretty poor though, mostly superhero's or sequels because they know it'll bring in the money.

Super hero movies are popular because they're good and engaging movies. Superhero movies aren't a new phenomenon - they've been around for a long time, but only since Marvel started to produce the lead up to the Avengers did it actually become financially successful.

pundy · 08-11-2013 12:26PM

the new stuff (as in, music films tv shows etc) have become absolute cack - but the actual platforms - netflix, youtube, xbox apps, smart tv etc have made it weirdly better in some ways - but only because the old stuff was good.

for example, i use the youtube app on my xbox at the weekends for watching old music videos that i like - which the new stuff wouldnt come close to sounding like.

the likes of miley cyrus and lady gaga and all the rest of them are just money makers. there's no passion in it anymore like back in the day.

i can't remember the last time i actually saw a BAND playing their own instruments releasing a hit single or album....

Dravokivich · 08-11-2013 12:36PM

pundy wrote: »

i can't remember the last time i actually saw a BAND playing their own instruments releasing a hit single or album....

Then you have an extremely short memory. Mumford and Sons as one example?

pundy · 08-11-2013 12:39PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Then you have an extremely short memory. Mumford and Sons as one example?

hmm.... i'll agree with you, but not my cup of tea and what i would consider a real band.... yeah they play instruments and all that, but a bit ponsey/marketed to women in college

Dravokivich · 08-11-2013 12:41PM

pundy wrote: »

hmm.... i'll agree with you, but not my cup of tea and what i would consider a real band.... yeah they play instruments and all that, but a bit ponsey/marketed to women in college

You can't deny their existence, just because you don't like'em!

gobnaitolunacy · 08-11-2013 12:42PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Then you have an extremely short memory. Mumford and Sons as one example?

200 banjos falling down several flights of stairs may count as music for some.

desertcircus · 08-11-2013 12:45PM

c_man wrote: »

Of the top 10 grossing movies of all time, seven are from the last four years.

And net profit? Gross means nothing without that context. $100m used to be a truly deranged amount of money to spend on making a film; now it's fairly unremarkable.

Has The Entertainment Industry Become Worse?

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