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Numbers up Gerry

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  • #902
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    No
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    there are lots of missing people in ireland. none of them are on the ICLVR list. Your refusal to recognise this to suit your own political ends is despicable. i have no reason to use her as a political football, her death doesnt change anything the IRA did.

    So you are denying the fact that "The Disappeared" are the people murdered by republican paramilitaries during the troubles?


  • #903
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    awec wrote: »
    So you are denying the fact that "The Disappeared" are the people murdered by republican paramilitaries during the troubles?

    You just go ahead thinkin whatever you want to think. theres obviously no getting through to the likes of you. go and check the link you put up if you want a list of the disappeared


  • #904
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    No
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    You just go ahead thinkin whatever you want to think. theres obviously no getting through to the likes of you. go and check the link you put up if you want a list of the disappeared

    That really doesn't answer the question I asked. It was a fairly simple question - a yes or no would suffice.

    You are denying the fact that "The Disappeared" are the people murdered by republican paramilitaries during the troubles?


  • #905
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    No
    Last time I looked at this thread I think they were suggesting that the British army made them disappear.


  • #906
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    awec wrote: »
    That really doesn't answer the question I asked. It was a fairly simple question - a yes or no would suffice.

    You are denying the fact that "The Disappeared" are the people murdered by republican paramilitaries during the troubles?
    LordSutch wrote: »
    Last time I looked at this thread I think they were suggesting that the British army made them disappear.

    Think Im starting to see a pattern here among the tactics of the anti-republican crowd. If all else fails, just make shit up.


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  • #907
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    No
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Think Im starting to see a pattern here among the tactics of the anti-republican crowd. If all else fails, just make shit up.

    No, there was an exchange last night/this morning with some other poster who suggest that there was also a list of disappeared courtesy of the British army. I know nothing more about it. see post #730 onwards . . . .


  • #908
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    No
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Think Im starting to see a pattern here among the tactics of the anti-republican crowd. If all else fails, just make shit up.

    Yea, "anti republican", here we go. It's all a big attack on republicans. :rolleyes:

    How about you just answer the question?


  • #909
    0ph0rce0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Fúck The Brits, Fúck The RA, Fúck Gerry And Fúck Jean McConville....

    Ahhhhhhhhhh Thats Better


  • #910
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    awec wrote: »
    Yea, "anti republican", here we go. It's all a big attack on republicans. :rolleyes:

    How about you just answer the question?

    I will not dignify your idiotic statement with a response. I have made myself clear several times.


  • #911
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Disappeared; Hidden Stories Of Northern Ireland's Troubles.

    I heard not one 'hidden' story about Northern Ireland's Troubles, because none of them are 'hidden', they have all been heard before and are easily found.
    Maybe the confusion is because somebody in RTE/BBC doesn't know the difference between 'Disappeared' and 'Hidden'??

    A character attack wrapped up in a sensationalist rehash for the gullible. The McConville family where once again exploited as where some of the programmes audience, oblivious to the programme's subliminal message.


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  • #912
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    No
    What has Adams to lose by telling the truth? Could there be criminal proceedings? And why does he continue to deny being a member of the IRA when everyone knows he was? I don't get it. McGuinness admitted it and I dont think he lost any respect for the fact.


  • #913
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    No
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I will not dignify your idiotic statement with a response. I have made myself clear several times.

    No you haven't. Answer the Q.


  • #914
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    What has Adams to lose by telling the truth? Could there be criminal proceedings? And why does he continue to deny being a member of the IRA when everyone knows he was? I don't get it. McGuinness admitted it and I dont think he lost any respect for the fact.

    Maybe both are telling the truth?


  • #915
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Maybe both are telling the truth?

    Bull****e and you know it.


  • #916
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    Bull****e and you know it.

    No, I don't.

    Martin McGuinnes claimed in a court in 1973 that he was a member, so he could hardly deny it. There is no evidence that Gerry Adams was, plenty of hearsay though.
    There is also plenty of hearsay about others in NI politics but I pass no remarks on that as a personal policy. Gossip is always dangerous, show me the evidence and I will review.


  • #917
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    What about their teeth?

    Perhaps so, Gerry's teeth are whiter than white!:D


  • #918
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The Disappeared; Hidden Stories Of Northern Ireland's Troubles.

    I heard not one 'hidden' story about Northern Ireland's Troubles, because none of them are 'hidden', they have all been heard before and are easily found.
    Maybe the confusion is because somebody in RTE/BBC doesn't know the difference between 'Disappeared' and 'Hidden'??

    A character attack wrapped up in a sensationalist rehash for the gullible. The McConville family where once again exploited as where some of the programmes audience, oblivious to the programme's subliminal message.

    Quality. You're all over the place on this thread - car crash stuff. :)


  • #919
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    awec wrote: »
    Quality. You're all over the place on this thread - car crash stuff. :)

    Nope, been saying pretty much the same thing for a while now and not getting any credible answers...just abuse


  • #920
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Maybe both are telling the truth?

    Do you honestly believe both are telling the truth?


  • #921
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    No
    Spring Onion wrote: »
    What has Adams to lose by telling the truth? Could there be criminal proceedings? And why does he continue to deny being a member of the IRA when everyone knows he was? I don't get it. McGuinness admitted it and I dont think he lost any respect for the fact.

    Everyone knows it except Gerry? Perhaps he lost his memory in the dentist's chair?....


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  • #922
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe both are telling the truth?

    I honestly don't know.


    But I understand why Adams in particular might see it was in the best interests of the growth of SF if he was not in the IRA.
    He is very astute in every other aspect of his political life, and the path he has plotted for SF, so I don't have any problem believing he would have seen the problems (long terms in jail, political isolation etc) his membership of the IRA would have caused.

    Mind you, I also fail to understand why it suddenly or was ever a problem when both he and McGuinness where negotiating with Willie Whitelaw in 1972 and McG with the British Government later on.
    Somebody was and is having their cake and eating it.


  • #923
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I honestly don't know.


    But I understand why Adams in particular might see it was in the best interests of the growth of SF if he was not in the IRA.
    He is very astute in every other aspect of his political life, and the path he has plotted for SF, so I don't have any problem believing he would have seen the problems (long terms in jail, political isolation etc) his membership of the IRA would have caused.

    Mind you, I also fail to understand why it suddenly or was ever a problem when both he and McGuinness where negotiating with Willie Whitelaw in 1972 and McG with the British Government later on.
    Somebody was and is having their cake and eating it.

    I appreciate your honest answer. Tbh I don't know either. I can only go by the reports in the media...........

    Adams knows the answer!

    If he admits it now, politically he is finished, and the future for SF. ??

    If he wishes to remain leader of SF he will continue to deny his membership or involvement in IRA. Otherwise any credibility he or the party has will be lost.

    Tbf he would not be the first politician to have selective memory, however the stakes are extremely high.

    Time will tell?

    However if SF are to be taken seriously as a party ! Perhaps it is better for him to step down now?. With Adams at the helm , well there will always be finger pointing and questions. Not exactly the way to win over voters .


  • #924
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    delthedriver wrote: »

    If he admits it now, politically he is finished, and the future for SF. ??

    He isn't going to admit, of that I am sure too. That is why programmes like this are pointless, and toothless because they have no 'evidence', new or otherwise. just the same old, same old question and denial.
    If evidence existed he would have been jailed, McG was jailed twice for IRA activity and membership.


  • #925
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    He isn't going to admit, of that I am sure too. That is why programmes like this are pointless, and toothless because they have no 'evidence', new or otherwise. just the same old, same old question and denial.
    If evidence existed he would have been jailed, McG was jailed twice for IRA activity and membership.

    Yes, however the programme showed Adams carrying a coffin as part of an IRA funeral, furthermore,the programme confirmed he had been in Long Kesh........?

    The mystery continues..........mind boggling really. There is something seriously amiss, Adams is not a fool, but who is he fooling?


  • #926
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Yes, however the programme showed Adams carrying a coffin as part of an IRA funeral, furthermore,the programme confirmed he had been in Long Kesh........?

    He was interned and charged only with escaping. He was also arrested for membership but the case was dismissed.

    He attended IRA funerals throughout his career and carried coffins, nothing new in that revelation.


  • #927
    johnr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭johnr1


    If all of us who support or supported in the past what the IRA did are "shinnerbots" despite some of us being on record as having said that we will NEVER vote for SF, for various reasons, in my case their looney economic policies and representation of our parasite class, is there an equivalent term for the IRA haters who see only IRA violence and no other ?

    I suggest that they should all be addressed as "Keith" and any post qouting them should have the username amended accordingly, given their loyalist persuasions....


  • #928
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Why do some people want Gerry Adams to say he was involved in anything? Will it solve/salve anything? Life goes on and we should move on with it.


  • #929
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    delthedriver wrote: »
    I appreciate your honest answer. Tbh I don't know either. I can only go by the reports in the media...........

    Adams knows the answer!

    If he admits it now, politically he is finished, and the future for SF. ??

    If he wishes to remain leader of SF he will continue to deny his membership or involvement in IRA. Otherwise any credibility he or the party has will be lost.

    Tbf he would not be the first politician to have selective memory, however the stakes are extremely high.

    Time will tell?

    However if SF are to be taken seriously as a party ! Perhaps it is better for him to step down now?. With Adams at the helm , well there will always be finger pointing and questions. Not exactly the way to win over voters .

    Micheal martins political career doesn't seem to have suffered, even though he was right hand man to fianna fails beloved leader ahern.

    A party that have bankrupt a country, caused mass emigration and countless suicides. And is now leader of the party up to there necks in involvement in the fraud that the banks pulled on the country.

    But ya, I guess only Gerry has a history!


  • #930
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    No
    michael999999 wrote: »
    Micheal martins political career doesn't seem to have suffered, even though he was right hand man to fianna fails beloved leader ahern.

    A party that have bankrupt a country, caused mass emigration and countless suicides. And is now leader of the party up to there necks in involvement in the fraud that the banks pulled on the country.

    But ya, I guess only Gerry has a history!

    Would you rather be defrauded or murdered?


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  • #931
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    No
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    If evidence existed he would have been jailed, McG was jailed twice for IRA activity and membership.

    Could Adams be jailed today if he admitted IRA membership? I doubt it.


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