Size 16 models, Debenhams are a step in the right direction

WilyCoyote · 06-11-2013 03:18PM #1

Hopefully less of the sick stick insect pics in future. And a vote of confidence in normal women. Lets hear it for the ladies! Yay.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2488259/Debenhams-unveils-size-16-mannequins-reflect-average-woman.html

sbsquarepants · 06-11-2013 03:20PM

Big girls need love too:D

I couldn't give a toss what size they are, so long as they're in proportion that will do me!

Balmed Out · 06-11-2013 03:21PM

Plenty of healthy thin girls, don't see people need to put them down to feel better about bigger sizes.

irish_goat · 06-11-2013 03:24PM

Size 16 is generally overweight and should not be considered "normal".

hoodwinked · 06-11-2013 03:25PM

i am a size 10, there is nothing wrong with having size 10 mannequins,

i hate the way they put them down as "ridiculously skinny" or "smaller than real women." i am real *feels self* i think.....

it is offensive however! :mad:

also all those manniquins have big boobs, what about those of us with smaller boobs? i feel discriminated against by debenhams!

irish_goat wrote: »

Size 16 is generally overweight and should not be considered "normal".

its relative to height, and body fat, but yes in theory i would say a 'normal' healthy size range would be 10-14.

FTA69 · 06-11-2013 03:26PM

In most cases being a size 16 means they're a bit overweight. Being overweight isn't something that should be celebrated as normal.

06-11-2013 03:26PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Hopefully less of the sick stick insect pics in future. And a vote of confidence in normal women. Lets hear it for the ladies! Yay.

Why the need to slag off women who are thin to make women who are potentially overweight feel better about themselves?

muckwarrior · 06-11-2013 03:27PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Hopefully less of the sick stick insect pics in future. And a vote of confidence in normal women. Lets hear it for the ladies! Yay.

So overweight people should be viewed as "normal" but slim people should be derided as "stick insects" :rolleyes:

WilyCoyote · 06-11-2013 03:28PM

irish_goat wrote: »

Size 16 is generally overweight and should not be considered "normal".

If you walk down any high street, you'll see more women leaning towards size 16 than size 10. By that standard it should be considered normal

kjl · 06-11-2013 03:28PM

Eh, I know I will be slated here, but is size 16 the norm now?

Are we just going to redefine the "norm" because people have let themselves go?

Anyone who eats right and does 30 min of cardio exercise a day will not be a size 16, should we be encouraging and say that it's right?

I know people will say that women have babies and therefore put on weight, but a lot of women also lose weight after their pregnancies.

I just think it's a slippery slope, today size 16 is the norm how long before obese is the norm?

donvito99 · 06-11-2013 03:29PM

I don't get wimmin's sizes...

I am a medium.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 06-11-2013 03:29PM

Yay lets celebrate unhealthy lifestyle choices.

FTA69 · 06-11-2013 03:30PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If you walk down any high street, you'll see more women leaning towards size 16 than size 10. By that standard it should be considered normal

That only indicates society's rising obesity problem as opposed to any "natural" body shape. Being overweight isn't "normal".

WilyCoyote · 06-11-2013 03:31PM

FTA69 wrote: »

In most cases being a size 16 means they're a bit overweight. Being overweight isn't something that should be celebrated as normal.

If the majority are closer to size 16 then that is normal by any definition. The term 'overweight' will evolve to mean ladies further up the scale. As has happened before in history

06-11-2013 03:31PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If you walk down any high street, you'll see more women leaning towards size 16 than size 10. By that standard it should be considered normal

Average doesn't necessarily mean normal.

Muise... · 06-11-2013 03:32PM

From the Ice Age to the Dole Age, there is but one concern...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH18_dZIYOE

WilyCoyote · 06-11-2013 03:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Average doesn't necessarily mean normal.

Please explain

my teapot is orange · 06-11-2013 03:34PM

I think you usually have to be a particularly tall woman to have a healthy BMI at size 16, though I'm sure there are exceptions.

I'm an average/slightly tall woman at 5'7 and size 12. I would have to be overweight before I would be a 14.

FTA69 · 06-11-2013 03:34PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If the majority are closer to size 16 then that is normal by any definition. The term 'overweight' will evolve to mean ladies further up the scale. As has happened before in history

B*llocks. The fact that fatness has become more prevalent shouldn't make it any more acceptable. It wouldn't matter if 100% of the population were obese, the fact remains that it is an unhealthy way to be and portraying obesity as "normal" or "curvy" etc is just an attempt to avoid facing up to that.

longhalloween · 06-11-2013 03:34PM

In fairness, the woman in the picture is probably a 12, but needs a 16 on top for her boobs.

Unless a woman is very tall, a 16 is overweight.

Doubtful Debenhams are doing this to embrace 'real' women. More likely they see their market getting fatter and are moving to cater for them.

ShagNastii · 06-11-2013 03:34PM

Be a while waiting for the fat balding mannequins so us guys can feel better about ourselves. Can I get a "Hell Yeah!!!" Brothers?

Ah well not to worry. The world still turns.

kjl · 06-11-2013 03:35PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If the majority are closer to size 16 then that is normal by any definition. The term 'overweight' will evolve to mean ladies further up the scale. As has happened before in history

Ok clearly you are overweight and trying to excuse yourself by saying because it's the average that it is normal.

Work out your BMI, if you are over 25 you are overweight, it doesn't matter if everyone in the country is the same, you are still overweight.

Stop making excuses for yourself.

The Backwards Man · 06-11-2013 03:36PM

This just in from a Debenhams' spokesperson;

"Let them say we're crazy What do they know?
Put your arms around me Baby don't ever let go.
Let the world around us just fall apart
Baby we can make it if we're heart to heart.
And we can build this dream together
Standing strong forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now."

kjl · 06-11-2013 03:39PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

This just in from a Debenhams' spokesperson;

"Let them say we're crazy What do they know?
Put your arms around me Baby don't ever let go.
Let the world around us just fall apart
Baby we can make it if we're heart to heart.
And we can build this dream together
Standing strong forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now."

I keep hearing that drum beat at the start in my head.

Duggy747 · 06-11-2013 03:39PM

I'd love to see a morbidly obese mannequin.

RoboRat · 06-11-2013 03:40PM

Yay lets celebrate unhealthy lifestyle choices.

Seriously? You consider all size 16 to be overweight? There are plenty of curvier ladies out there who are not over weight, they are just curvier. Look at Holly Willoughby, Caroline Morahan, Beyonce, Christina Hendricks etc.

Perhaps its just evolution, people are bigger today than they were in the 1920's when modern style mannequins were launched.

Muise... · 06-11-2013 03:41PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

This just in from a Debenhams' spokesperson;

"Let them say we're crazy What do they know?
Put your arms around me Baby don't ever let go.
Let the world around us just fall apart
Baby we can make it if we're heart to heart.
And we can build this dream together
Standing strong forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now."

:pac:

is that you Pygmalion Andrew McCarthy?

dark crystal · 06-11-2013 03:42PM

Who gives a shite about who's 'normal' or not (horrible word), it's nice to see what clothes look like on all types of woman. Why should only one stock size define what clothes should look like on a woman?

Women's sizes can vary hugely from shop to shop and it's nice to see different variants of mannequin for different variants of woman.

06-11-2013 03:42PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Please explain

Average is a fact.

Normal includes a degree of subjectivity. Normal is what society expects.

Society should not expect all women to be a size 16 (or any size), despite what the average is.

RoboRat · 06-11-2013 03:44PM

Work out your BMI, if you are over 25 you are overweight, it doesn't matter if everyone in the country is the same, you are still overweight.

BMI is complete bollocks. I am 'morbidly obese' according to BMI yet I train every day, eat very healthily and have very little body fat. BMI takes your weight to height ratio and doesn't take bone density or muscle mass into consideration. The best indicator of obesity is working out your body fat ratio which is a different process altogether.

seosamh1980 · 06-11-2013 03:46PM

Those size 16 mannequins just look like widened regular ones, in fairness nobody's body is as wide as a size 16 naturally with normal proportions, their size 16 mannequins have defined waists, flat stomachs, not the same as size 16 humans. Unless that human is about 6 ft 2.

Size 16 models, Debenhams are a step in the right direction

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