Speeding Fine Advice Please

Turner · 26-04-2003 06:02PM

Isnt there 4 lanes out by citywest ???

As for the fine, dont pay it. Northern drivers get summonsed all the time and never show. Thats why they pee in the face of our speed limits and non existant traffic police.

Have you ever heard of somebody being extradited for not paying a speeding fine.

The Sweeper · 26-04-2003 06:08PM

Originally posted by DMT
So will sucking an exhaust pipe at the legal limit.

please discribe in one paragraph how you would go about sucking an exhaust pipe of a car doing 70 miles an hour on a motorway?

Gordon · 26-04-2003 06:24PM

Presuming DMT wasn't talking about the legal limit of exhaust fume suckage (which presumably is 0 as anyone can breathe toxic car fumes):

As in Speed II get yourself one of those things with wheels that wheel you under cars to do work on the underbelly of cars, between the wheels. Tie a rope to the hooky thing that carries stuff on the back of cars - stuff such as caravans/boats/humerous carnival floats. Get towed by the car until you hit 70mph and reel yourself into the back of the car (face up). Pucker up.. and suck.

What you never done that?

Oh and before you ask - yes I have done that. Well all except for the exhaust breathing and the excessive speeds.

Tusky · 26-04-2003 07:24PM

How would you like it if you were killed by speeding....you wouldnt....im guessing

DMT · 26-04-2003 07:58PM

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels
please discribe in one paragraph how you would go about sucking an exhaust pipe of a car doing 70 miles an hour on a motorway?

No doubt, it would involve some sort of converted trailer. Although, at those speeds, it would make the ride very bumpy, making it difficult to "latch-on" to the exhaust pipe. Thus, the trailer would require a soft suspension to compensate for the bumpiness.

The Sweeper · 26-04-2003 09:27PM

Originally posted by Tusky
How would you like it if you were killed by speeding....you wouldnt....im guessing

...must...mock...stupid...comment...

agh - retort overload

I'm going to have a lie down and hope I don't get killed by a gas explosion, or smothered in my pillows, or that my neighbours across the hall may have left their chip pan on and their kitchen goes ablaze, or a meteor may strike the apartment, or I may get hit by a falling grand piano...

WhiteWashMan · 26-04-2003 09:30PM

Originally posted by DMT
So will sucking an exhaust pipe at the legal limit.

and your point is what?

what has sucking on an exhaust got to do with anything?

DMT · 26-04-2003 10:49PM

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
and your point is what?

what has sucking on an exhaust got to do with anything?

Oh, I think you know exactly what that means...

:ninja:

seamus · 26-04-2003 11:11PM

As Merc says, I doubt anything particularly bad will happen if he doesn't pay the fine. Assuming he doesn't have Irish licence/Irish address, the Gardai won't do anything extreme to try track him down. As you said though, he'd be foolhardy not to. It may end up as an outstanding warrant, which could sting him the next time he enters the country. It's only around STG£50 and he won't get any points on his licence. Is it worth the hassle and the worry to save a measly £50?

DMT, just to be a bit pedantic....

That's physically impossible on a motorway without flattening the hedges running down the middle - Sounds like they where on a *dual carriage-way*, in which case they where breaking the limit by 20mph.

Either you don't drive, or you've never driven on a motorway. There's a break in the hedges on the motorways periodically (every km?) specifically to allow the emergency services to perform quick turnarounds.

Traffic Gardai tend to be a bit cúntish when they hear a British accent because, as someone said, a lot of drivers from the North (or NI citizens resident in the Republic) tend to drive a little faster and more aggressively than Irish drivers (I'm a motorcyclist, I know all about stupid drivers

), probably because they pay less insurance and aren't as affected by fines etc. Probably why the Gardai were pricks to your mate.

Why they went to the effort of crossing a dual carraigeway to stop someone going safely over the limit (I'm sure you'll vouch for his safe driving), is beyond me though.

Slydice · 26-04-2003 11:57PM

Minesajackdaniels, your being a real ásshólé about this!

Your condoneing foreigners who come over here to speed because they think they can get away with it even if they get caught.

DMT · 27-04-2003 12:13AM

Originally posted by seamus
DMT, just to be a bit pedantic....
Either you don't drive, or you've never driven on a motorway. There's a break in the hedges on the motorways periodically (every km?) specifically to allow the emergency services to perform quick turnarounds.

And those gaps are blocked by removable pillars to prevent people from doing U-turns. So apart from using a radar gun on traffic from the wrong side of the road, the guards would've had to cross to the middle, remove the pillars, and then catch up with a car travelling at 80mph.
The whole "crossing 4 lanes of traffic" thing just doesn't make any logical sense, which makes me believe it didn't happen that way.

Why they went to the effort of crossing a dual carraigeway to stop someone going safely over the limit (I'm sure you'll vouch for his safe driving), is beyond me though.

It's more logical to assume that there was a squad car on both sides of the road, both hidden from traffic on the sides on which they were on. The OFFENDERS™ just assumed the squad car crossed the road.*

* Only problems with this theory is that the Gardaí would never be so resourceful as to have speed check on both sides of the road.

DMT · 27-04-2003 12:18AM

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
hitting someone at the legal limit will also kill them....

But the higher the limit (or the higher you're breaking the limit), the more likely you will be unable to control the car if something goes wrong, therefore making the likelihood of a fatality occuring greater.

smiles · 27-04-2003 12:37AM

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels
There are a couple of factors here - were they just unlucky to get picked out of the lot that were speeding? Did it have anything to do with the english reg on their hire car that they got picked out of all the other speeders? And why, when they were stopped, did the Garda do one of those poncey routines of taking 15 minutes to check out the hire car, and finally say to them 'I hope I haven't spoiled your day?'

They broke the law. They got caught.

Looking for excuses about their reg is of no consequence.

The messing about at the car? hopefully to make them mad. probably just to bring home the fact that they were being assholes and that someone else can be just as assholish back.

They could have killed someone. Hence the spoiling the day comment.

<< Fio >>

Bard · 27-04-2003 12:57AM

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels
Pals want to know this, they don't live in Ireland, what happens if they simply don't pay the fine?

I'm a driver, and a careful one. I use the motorway every day. Briefly ignoring the rest of the (pedantic and stupid) argument on this thread, and answering this specific question ... the gardaí could waste their resources contacting the rental company, tracking your friends down and contacting the local police in your friends' area with a view to bringing them to court in accordance with the law in Ireland, a law which they broke while in Ireland.

Apart from that, I agree with most of the other posters here in that you're out of order if you're condoning or defending these people just because they're your friends. They broke the law and they were caught. Speeding fines are there for a reason, as you yourself so eloquently explained. The fact that cars around them which were also speeding weren't caught is utterly immaterial... THEY were caught. They should just pay the bloody fine and be done with it.

DeadBankClerk · 27-04-2003 02:41AM

i want to walk you home!
please let me walk you home!

Mercury_Tilt · 27-04-2003 12:05PM

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sceptre · 27-04-2003 12:09PM

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels
Did it have anything to do with the english reg on their hire car that they got picked out of all the other speeders? And why, when they were stopped, did the Garda do one of those poncey routines of taking 15 minutes to check out the hire car, and finally say to them 'I hope I haven't spoiled your day?'

I'll go with "yes" for the first one and "hoping that they would miss their flight or whatever" for the second.

I'd imagine that the rental company will have some method of billing the fine back to them (assuming they paid with a CC) so personally, I'd just wait and see if that happens. At least that's what I'd do if I were driving a rental in the UK and got stopped for speeding.

It's only 50 quid though.

amp · 27-04-2003 01:51PM

I once got caught doing 60mph on the N4, when the limit at the bit I must have got caught at (roadworks and stuff) was 40mph. It was sent to my employer who handed it over to me. I put it my To-do file, and promptly forgot about it. I changed cars a while later and haven't heard about it since.

My advice would be to forget about it. Your average Garda isn't going to go through the hassle of tracking your pal down especially with the other country thing and the pressure they're under with the Penalty points system.

Even if the Gards do get up off their arses and do something about it I imagine it would be along the lines of rude, threatening letters. So as long as your pal can handle such trauma, do nothing.

In fact, the most likely problem arising from this is that the car rental company might be reluctant to do business with him in the future.

And, as others have said, speeding makes the baby Jesus cry. There's fup all excuse for it. Especially doing 80mph when the national limits will get you there oh about 10 minutes later.

WhiteWashMan · 27-04-2003 02:50PM

Originally posted by DMT
Oh, I think you know exactly what that means...

:ninja:

um, no.

i really dont.

please explain in really big letters.

come on, i mean, it is your argument, im only asking you to explain it. i would have said that was very different than speeding because you cant drive and suck an exhaust pipe at the same time, so your attention is definately going to be off the raod. now with speeding, even if you are one mile an hour over the speed limit, is dangerous according to you. hoever, with speeding, at least you stay in the car.

so come on now DMT, you really seem to have abee in your bonnet about this whole issue, why dont you come out an tell us all exactly what you mean.

DMT · 27-04-2003 03:00PM

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
um, no.
i really dont.

Sure you do...

The Sweeper · 27-04-2003 03:03PM

Okay cool - I've got what I need now. My question has been answered (in a roundabout sort of way).

Thanks to everyone on this thread who told me my friends are scum who should be locked up forever. Thanks to everyone who told me speeding kills and I'm an assh0le for trying to get my friends off paying their fine. Thanks to everyone who selectively read around my point and jumped in, both pedestrian feet first, to deliver verbal abuse without making a really coherent point. Thanks to all the 'speed kills, you're an assh0le, your friends are scum' who've proved to me that the government's anti-speeding campaign and penalty points are actually working because if you feel that strongly about it, it must be.

I have no idea whether or not my friends have paid their fine yet. Chances are they probably have, because contrary to the views on this thread, doing 80mph on a motorway doesn't make you a child molesting ass raping baby eating monster who commits genocide and pollutes the environment, and they're actually quite nice people. If they ask me about it again however I'll be sure to say "apparently if you don't pay it you might get away with it, you hellraising scum, but you should pay it, because speeding kills".

And there was me, thinking that impact was the thing that really did you in.

WhiteWashMan · 27-04-2003 03:05PM

Originally posted by DMT
Sure you do...

no i dont.

why wont you explain?

hacktavist · 27-04-2003 03:09PM

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan

why wont you explain?

Because he's a muppet I wouldnt be suprised if he comes back with something like "i know you are but what am i"

Honestly dmt your not doin yourself an favours.

Gordon · 27-04-2003 03:15PM

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels
My question has been answered (in a roundabout sort of way).

I thought it was a motorway

jeez now you're confusing everyone.

The Sweeper · 27-04-2003 04:10PM

heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh

PHB · 27-04-2003 07:45PM

You see the thing is, they broke the law, then you asked people how they could get out of the punishment.
Its the same as if I killed someone and asked everyone how to get out of it, like could I just lead the country.

And no you dont get to pick and choose what laws you obey because you feel they aren't as importent.
And yes the comparision is apt because you can very easily kill someone speeding.

And no it doesnt matter if other people were breaking the law too.

I hope to god that they lose their license and get a couple of grand.

The Sweeper · 27-04-2003 07:52PM

oh ask my arse.

WhiteWashMan · 27-04-2003 07:55PM

Originally posted by PHB
You see the thing is, they broke the law,

did anyone say they didnt?
DUH

Originally posted by PHB
then you asked people how they could get out of the punishment.

did you answer the question?
no

Originally posted by PHB

Its the same as if I killed someone and asked everyone how to get out of it, like could I just lead the country.

in what way?

Originally posted by PHB

And no you dont get to pick and choose what laws you obey because you feel they aren't as importent.

are you on drugs, or are you just making this up as you go along?

Originally posted by PHB

And yes the comparision is apt because you can very easily kill someone speeding.

hold on, you said you killed someone!

thats not like speeding at all.

are you talking about 1 mile an hour over the 'legal limit' now, or are you talking about doing 80 in a 70 mile an hour zone?

Originally posted by PHB

And no it doesnt matter if other people were breaking the law too.

no, and whats your point?

Originally posted by PHB

I hope to god that they lose their license and get a couple of grand.

i hope you get killed by a speeding car

PHB · 27-04-2003 08:08PM

did you answer the question?
no

Yes thats absolutly correct, I did not anwser the question of how to avoid punishment for breaking the law.

Its the same as if I killed someone and asked everyone how to get out of it, like could I just lead the country.

in what way?

Speeding is againist the law.
Murder is againist the law.
They asked someone how to get out of the punishment for breaking the law by speeding.
The comparision I made was someone asking some how to get out of the punishment for murder.
Both are breaking the law and both are asking how to get out of the punishment

Originally posted by PHB

And no you dont get to pick and choose what laws you obey because you feel they aren't as importent.

are you on drugs, or are you just making this up as you go along?

The reason I said this is because I knew you would say this.

are you talking about 1 mile an hour over the 'legal limit' now, or are you talking about doing 80 in a 70 mile an hour zone?

Because right there you are saying its ok to break the law a little

Have a look there,
http://www.garda.ie/angarda/statistics98/2002.html,
Look at all the people who died because you've decided that its ok to break the law just a little.

Originally posted by PHB

And no it doesnt matter if other people were breaking the law too.

no, and whats your point?

I responding to majd when she said that other people were speeding too.

DMT · 27-04-2003 08:13PM

Originally posted by PHB
Yes thats absolutly correct, I did not anwser the question of how to avoid punishment for breaking the law.

YHBT...

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