Why Richard Did

BillyMitchel · 31-10-2013 02:22AM

errlloyd wrote: »

Off topic but I know its sky, but what is wrong with Moone Boy?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any drama series anywhere in the world set outside a major city, as soon as you do that you really restrict the potential storylines.

How long as Emmerdale Farm gone on for? The village has seen more action than Iran and Iraq put together.

Though the film was just OK.

Old Dan Tucker · 31-10-2013 02:34AM

I liked the ending.

It was directed by Lenny Abrahamson (from Dublin) who also directed Adam & Paul and Garage and so he's kinda renowned a this stage for leaving the audience to make up their own minds on how things are going to end up for the characters involved. Which I like as far too many movies these days spoonfeed the viewer, treating them like they are dumb and almost manipulate them to think and feel a certain way about a character.

Anyway, here was one of his responses to how the film ended:

The ending is purposefully ambiguous – did you ever want it to be more clear cut?

Lenny: We did also shoot a scene in college with a less ambiguous flavour. It would still have been a shot of Jack but it would have been a more obviously diminished image of him. But in the end that moment that we end it with is powerful because of its ambiguity. And it’s probably the bit that critically, my sense of the reaction has been extremely positive and I think that some people really love that ending and some people really won’t but I am very particular about endings and I like to go out on an intake of breath, I don’t like to resolve things.

policarp · 31-10-2013 03:58AM

Richard the turd. . . .

ted1 · 31-10-2013 11:23AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So theres only 2 million people in Ireland?

No, theres 1,273,069 in the county of Dublin, but in the greater Dublin Area theres 1,804,156 which equtes to approx 39% of the population. so not to far off 50%.

http://www.dubchamber.ie/policy/summary-of-the-greater-dublin-region

Tombo2001 · 31-10-2013 11:27AM

Its quite interesting how this thread has had absolutely NOTHING to do with the question asked in the first post by the OP.....

.....lets just ignore that rather serious question and instead talk about the crap ending the movie had......

yo-ho.

Eoin247 · 31-10-2013 11:30AM

Old Dan Tucker wrote: »

I liked the ending.

It was directed by Lenny Abrahamson (from Dublin) who also directed Adam & Paul and Garage and so he's kinda renowned a this stage for leaving the audience to make up their own minds on how things are going to end up for the characters involved. Which I like as far too many movies these days spoonfeed the viewer, treating them like they are dumb and almost manipulate them to think and feel a certain way about a character.

Anyway, here was one of his responses to how the film ended:

In my opinion the ending is by far the most important and difficult part of the film, and when directors ''let the audience decide the ending'' its just a cop out IMO. If we're supposed to imagine the ending (the most important part of the film), then why don't we just imagine the whole story and not see the film at all.

upstairs for coffee · 31-10-2013 11:48AM

How come justice wasn't served? The DPP had no interest in prosecution in the end - http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2007/0919/ireland/jury-returns-verdict-of-unlawful-killing-42960.html

It's who you know I suppose, they were the rich boys after all.

Wattle · 31-10-2013 11:49AM

So what do you want? That Richard gets his girl back and everything is hunky dory? That would be a cop out. What the ending says to me is that Richard will continue his life despite the crime. If you belong to that class you will not pay as high a price as someone who is working class. If you look at the real case those three guys had a brief interruption to their lives but after a little while they were able to re-join the establishment and take high paying jobs. The victim and his family is almost completely forgotten.

Eoin247 · 02-11-2013 12:27PM

Wattle wrote: »

So what do you want? That Richard gets his girl back and everything is hunky dory? That would be a cop out. What the ending says to me is that Richard will continue his life despite the crime. If you belong to that class you will not pay as high a price as someone who is working class. If you look at the real case those three guys had a brief interruption to their lives but after a little while they were able to re-join the establishment and take high paying jobs. The victim and his family is almost completely forgotten.

But Richard does get his girl back and things look to be pretty much hunky dory for him when you consider what his punishment should have been.

TBH I was hoping he would end up in jail and shamed in front of the entire community :pac: but any definitive ending is better than none. However I don't think his social/wealth class had much to do with him getting away with it. The reason he got away with it was because his family and friends were willing to cover up his crime.

losthorizon · 02-11-2013 01:03PM

Can someone answer a question for me was Grabbers based on Fact. Cause if it was there is no way I'm going to that island!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3izWdh9WM

OU812 · 02-11-2013 01:07PM

131spanner wrote: »

Would an Irish drama that isn't set in Dublin and about something other than crime be too much to ask?

http://youtu.be/TOAb-sUCm7U

131spanner · 02-11-2013 01:12PM

OU812 wrote: »

http://youtu.be/TOAb-sUCm7U

If we've to go back to '92 for examples we're in trouble

Remember War of the Buttons? That was brilliant.

thegreatgonzo · 02-11-2013 01:12PM

irish bloke wrote: »

Is it not What Richard Did?
Crap ending on it too

How did it end? I saw it to the part where he said to the girlfriend that he was turning himself in, then I went outside to bring my dog to the toilet and when I came back the film was over. The way it was plodding along I thought there was another 20 minutes left or so. The dog only needed a pee so I wasn't even gone that long!

LETHAL LADY · 02-11-2013 01:19PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

How did it end? I saw it to the part where he said to the girlfriend that he was turning himself in, then I went outside to bring my dog to the toilet and when I came back the film was over. The way it was plodding along I thought there was another 20 minutes left or so. The dog only needed a pee so I wasn't even gone that long!

His rich parents paid his way out of it. Then a year or two later he was done for verbally abusing a garda.

Blisterman · 02-11-2013 01:35PM

I actually found it refreshing to see an Irish movie that for once wasn't about people from poor rural or working class backgrounds.

Watch movies from any other country, and there's a wide variety of people from all sorts of backgrounds from very poor to wealthy. For some reason Irish filmmakers never seem to move away from the stereotype of the poor downtrodden Irish.

rock_dinasaur · 02-11-2013 01:39PM

irish bloke wrote: »

Is it not What Richard Did?
Crap ending on it too

the beginning and middle were awful aswell

how did that so called movie get decent reviews

made me dislike D4 folk even more and I didn't think that was possible

rock_dinasaur · 02-11-2013 01:40PM

Eoin247 wrote: »

I meant it as a rhetorical question. I can't understand how anybody can feel sorry for this guy who has a perfect life (like literally, this guy had absolutely EVERYTHING) and caused it to become imperfect by his own stupid actions (i say imperfect because his life is still pretty damn good after he killed the guy).

I remember when this film came out first the principle at my school spoke about Richard as if he was the victim in the story.

people from blackrock are never viewed as being capable of anything really evil

rock_dinasaur · 02-11-2013 01:43PM

Wattle wrote: »

So what do you want? That Richard gets his girl back and everything is hunky dory? That would be a cop out. What the ending says to me is that Richard will continue his life despite the crime. If you belong to that class you will not pay as high a price as someone who is working class. If you look at the real case those three guys had a brief interruption to their lives but after a little while they were able to re-join the establishment and take high paying jobs. The victim and his family is almost completely forgotten.

class is a huge influence when it comes to the law in this country

I once witnessed a doctor ( who was up on an assault charge I might add ) being addressed as DR by the presiding judge , the whole thing was a bad joke

Wattle · 02-11-2013 01:47PM

rock_dinasaur wrote: »

the beginning and middle were awful aswell

how did that so called movie get decent reviews

made me dislike D4 folk even more and I didn't think that was possible

No wonder you didn't like it, it sounds like you watched it while wanting to hate everybody involved.

P.Walnuts · 02-11-2013 01:48PM

Just on the actual thing that Richard actually did....he probably would of gotten off fairly lightly anyway...

He was hit first, went down...when he got back up the other guy was on the ground. Fair enough he kicked him once while on the ground. But there was no intention to kill. With his previous clean record and age he probably would of served 2 years max.

For an 18 yr old that's a huge deal yeah, but its not like he was getting sent down for life for murder.

evolving_doors · 02-11-2013 01:56PM

irish bloke wrote: »

Is it not What Richard Did?
Crap ending on it too

What was crap about it..there was nothing more to say..the dead kids mother in the funeral provided the summing up ...did you want a Hollywood style court ending where the truth comes out and we all feel that we stuck it to the man.

. In fairness though it did feel abrupt initially but when you think about the case it was mirroring (Anabel event) it wasn't going to go down the exact same avenue either

losthorizon · 02-11-2013 02:00PM

Blisterman wrote: »

I actually found it refreshing to see an Irish movie that for once wasn't about people from poor rural or working class backgrounds.

Watch movies from any other country, and there's a wide variety of people from all sorts of backgrounds from very poor to wealthy. For some reason Irish filmmakers never seem to move away from the stereotype of the poor downtrodden Irish.

Maybe you should watch more Irish movies! There are movies of all genres floating about from animation to serious drama. The average joe in this country just wants to go to gross out comedy and action flicks. The JNLR figures here show that we watch more of these kind of movies than anybody else.

The last Irish film I watched was The Tigers Tail another movie set among the wealthy and "elite". Too long and mediocre but had the potential to be very very good. Grabbers was the best film for me last year and that was a sci fi film

thegreatgonzo · 02-11-2013 02:11PM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

His rich parents paid his way out of it. Then a year or two later he was done for verbally abusing a garda.

I thought it was heading that way. The father made me think of that Dutch book The Dinner.

freshpopcorn · 02-11-2013 02:17PM

Eoin247 wrote: »

Hated the ending. Were we supposed to feel sympathy for the main character?

In the film Richard never confessed to killing the person and nobody went to the Gardai as a witness of the attack so their was no evidence for the Gardai to charge him with.
The ending of the film was meant to show that even tough he did kill a man that night (without intending to) he had to get on with his life having to cope with the fact that he killed a man and his best friends had turned their backs on him because of his actions.

evolving_doors · 02-11-2013 11:38PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

In the film Richard never confessed to killing the person and nobody went to the Gardai as a witness of the attack so their was no evidence for the Gardai to charge him with.
The ending of the film was meant to show that even tough he did kill a man that night (without intending to) he had to get on with his life having to cope with the fact that he killed a man and his best friends had turned their backs on him because of his actions.

He confessed to his father and 'girlfriend' though!
I know it's all hypothetical but I reckon he would have been better off confessing and coming clean.

downonthefarm · 02-11-2013 11:52PM

what is 'richard' doing now?

freshpopcorn · 03-11-2013 12:10AM

Armelodie wrote: »

He confessed to his father and 'girlfriend' though!
I know it's all hypothetical but I reckon he would have been better off confessing and coming clean.

Confessing to someone isn't proof tough. If he was interviewed by the Gardai he could just say they were lying.
I say the guy felt that he wouldn't enjoy jail.

cloudatlas · 03-11-2013 12:59AM

I remember this case, I decided not to watch the film as I think it's way too soon, the reality is still fresh in my mind.

evolving_doors · 03-11-2013 09:58AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Confessing to someone isn't proof tough. If he was interviewed by the Gardai he could just say they were lying.
I say the guy felt that he wouldn't enjoy jail.

Aye, I was just referring to a post which said he didn't confess to anyone.

freshpopcorn · 03-11-2013 10:03AM

Armelodie wrote: »

Aye, I was just referring to a post which said he didn't confess to anyone.

Lets not fall out over this!:D

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