Tragic Dog Killed by Firework

Jimmy_Long · 01-11-2013 01:54PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

You are inferring that's what the family from the article did with their dog when chained up?

no i not inferring anything,
but have seen it been done to dogs who were chained to a gate.

Dravokivich · 01-11-2013 02:00PM

Jimmy_Long wrote: »

no i not inferring anything,
but have seen it been done to dogs who were chained to a gate.

That does not mean everyone who chains a dog abuses it. Which is something you are certainly implying.

Knine · 01-11-2013 02:00PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Dogs don't always deal very well with being indoors or in a pen all day. And there's nothing to suggest that the family didn't have a dog run. All anyone here knows is that the dog happened to be on a chain at the time of the incident. Which happened during the day.

That is where training comes into it but I doubt responsibility is high up on their agenda after all they allowed the dogs to have a mixed breed litter & had 6 week old puppies out wandering around the garden unsupervised.

Lets get one thing straight. My dogs will never ever be tied up on a chain.

I am pie · 01-11-2013 02:18PM

People who chains dogs up don't know how to look after dogs. There is simply no excuse. It is a lazy uneducated way of caring for your animals.

If you want to confine them, inside or outside, there are plenty of pens, cages or crates that you can use. On a night like last night they should have been inside, in a a crate if needs be, but they should not have been outside on a chain. At very worst they should have been confined to a crate, run or pen.

Anything else simply is lazy and cruel.

syklops · 01-11-2013 02:22PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na. You all obviously know so much more about looking after animals than the likes of me, and know how to care for them much more humanely than I ever could. There's no way I could enlighten the experts posting here.

Usually trolling from the backwards man.

thegreatgonzo · 01-11-2013 02:43PM

Evelyn Cusack wrote: »

Some dogs are little houdinis and always manage to escape, there's nothing wrong with a chain as long as it's not a hort and permanent one.
As i said earlier, it is irresponsible not to chain a dog during lambing season in rural areas, kinder than locking them in a shed to.

But in general, blanket statements (as usual) that chains should never be used are wrong in my opinion.

I agree, my parent's dog is a collie x who was unwanted by his owner. Our next door neighbour keeps sheep and any chance he gets he is over the wall or through the fence and will be gone for hours. We all have tried recall training but with limited success. He sleeps in the house at night and spends a portion of the day in it too. However he is a collie and prefers to be out. He has a kennel outside and a post with a long chain. He gets brought for regular walks but obviously it's not ideal, for him or my elderly parents. If somebody could offer him a better situation my parents would let him go even though they are very fond of him but unfortunately this is the way it has to be at the moment.

Grayson · 01-11-2013 02:44PM

How is this news? Seriously.

01-11-2013 02:47PM

Knine wrote: »

That is where training comes into it but I doubt responsibility is high up on their agenda after all they allowed the dogs to have a mixed breed litter & had 6 week old puppies out wandering around the garden unsupervised.

Lets get one thing straight. My dogs will never ever be tied up on a chain.

Since when is it bad to have a mixed-breed litter? I know some breeds don't mix well, but isn't it worse to have a pure-breed?

ViveLaVie · 01-11-2013 02:49PM

Knine wrote: »

True. It was not a firework that killed their dogs. It was their own completely irresponsible behaviour. Sure the 10 puppies only 6 weeks old were wandering around a garden. They were also crossbreeds. Responsible people get their dogs neutered to prevent litters.

So what if they were crossbreeds? I think it's wrong to neuter healthy dogs.

Muise... · 01-11-2013 02:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Since when is it bad to have a mixed-breed litter? I know some breeds don't mix well, but isn't it worse to have a pure-breed?

agreed. Mixed breeds are evolution in action. Let the dogs decide their mates - they know best, as long as you're willing to bring up the pups of course.

Knine · 01-11-2013 02:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Since when is it bad to have a mixed-breed litter? I know some breeds don't mix well, but isn't it worse to have a pure-breed?

When dogs are dying in pounds because there is not enough homes. Generally these are mixed breeds & black coloured dogs are least likely to make it out alive. People often overlook them.

thegreatgonzo · 01-11-2013 02:54PM

ViveLaVie wrote: »

So what if they were crossbreeds? I think it's wrong to neuter healthy dogs.

There's nothing wrong with crossbreeds. But overbreeding is a problem in Ireland and there is a huge problem with unwanted puppies. So people are often being irresponsible when they let their dogs have puppies that nobody will want.
Letting your dog breed isn't wrong if you can bear the responsibility of the puppies welfare, a lot of people don't which is how my parents ended up with their dog.

01-11-2013 02:55PM

Yes, but these were family dogs, were they not? They had a home.

missierex · 01-11-2013 02:55PM

My folks always put them in the house or garage, and leave a radio on; preferably a chat-show, or perhaps some Beethoven (hehe) to help keep them calm and it also drowns out the noises from outslde.

They are never outside Halloween night.

In saying that, choking like that is tragic, and can easily happen.

fishy fishy · 01-11-2013 03:01PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

That does not mean everyone who chains a dog abuses it. Which is something you are certainly implying.

and yet, the very fact that they have him chained is a form of abuse.

Evelyn Cusack · 01-11-2013 03:07PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

and yet, the very fact that they have him chained is a form of abuse.

like putting a leash and collar on them

OldNotWIse · 01-11-2013 03:09PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na. You all obviously know so much more about looking after animals than the likes of me, and know how to care for them much more humanely than I ever could. There's no way I could enlighten the experts posting here.

Well you got that right anyway.

Dravokivich · 01-11-2013 03:15PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

and yet, the very fact that they have him chained is a form of abuse.

I haven't been able to see anything without a sense of bias or emotive comments from respondents claim it was abuse.

Abuse is in how you interact with the animal. A chain is a tool. How you use it determines whether or not there is abuse. But it's not simply on the basis that a dog is chained with it.

WindSock · 01-11-2013 03:16PM

Grayson wrote: »

How is this news? Seriously.

This is 'news' because of the way in which the tabloid journalist reported it was to generate argument akin to late night talk back radio.

And now, a threadlical interlude:

http://www.b3ta.com/features/dogs-in-snoods/

ViveLaVie · 01-11-2013 03:18PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with crossbreeds. But overbreeding is a problem in Ireland and there is a huge problem with unwanted puppies. So people are often being irresponsible when they let their dogs have puppies that nobody will want.
Letting your dog breed isn't wrong if you can bear the responsibility of the puppies welfare, a lot of people don't which is how my parents ended up with their dog.

Well we won't neuter our dog at home because as reports go, the dog can end up lethargic and depressed from it. There's a problem with overpopulation in the world too and children are leading horribly lonely lives in orphanages but people don't criticise others for having their own children instead of adopting.

I think crossbreeds are lovely and I dislike this elitist idea that mixed breeds have no use. If this attitude was stamped out, maybe more people would take puppies from shelters instead of forking out for pure breeds.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 01-11-2013 03:25PM

A sad story to hear. Losing a family pet is very difficult.

Stojkovic wrote: »

Dogs shouldnt be tied up tonight.

Owners fault, no sympathy for them, idiots.

My dog was beside me on the couch all night.

This mentality of "I'm doing it this say, and if you are not doing it this way then you are wrong" is quite immature. You are not the only one with an opinion on how an animal/pet should be kept. Your lack of empathy is quite alarming.

syklops wrote: »

The deceased was chained up outside in a housing estate on Hallowe'en night. That alone is bad enough but the 10 pups were outside as well?

Im hoping/assuming the ISPCA will be paying them a visit tomorrow.

They should be thrown in jail :rolleyes:

Why would the ISPCA get involved?

Claregirl wrote: »

As I said earlier if you cannot contain your pet securely without resorting to a chain within your garden or keep them inside your home you shouldn't have one.

I'm pretty sure people have access to fencing, sheds, dog runs etc even in a rural environment.

Thankfully you are not an authority on the matter and your opinion is that exactly, an opinion. Dogs get chained/tied up. It happens. You could start a facebook page to ban the chaining/tying up of dogs. Let me know how you get on with it.

I haven't berated the owner for leaving them out on Halloween night but I will berate them for leaving defenceless animals outside chained up at a time when bangers and fireworks are going off.

Claregirl wrote: »

If it were not for the careless, irresponsible, cruel actions of the parent/supervising adult they would not have been traumatised in this manner!

The whole tone of the article related to the fireworks and how tragic it was for those involved and I'm not denying that it is a very tragic story but lets face it fireworks or not Snoop and the puppy would not have died if the dog had not been chained up - they were strangled by the chain

The term "cruel" shouldn't be used so loosely. It's quite an inaccurate description of the adults.

Stojkovic wrote: »

Decency ?

Chaining up a dog and you talk about decency.

They should be charged with cruelty.

Again, sensationalist use of the word. It has a very strong meaning which I believe you may misunderstand.

looking_around wrote: »

What possible reason could they have for not keeping a dog indoors?

And IF they did, they should invest in proper containment, a chain is not proper containment.

Allergies, asthma, cleanliness, prohibited by homeowner/landlord.

Just a couple of reasons why people do not keep specific pets inside.

I would love to have an image of the garden and see if it's possible to have alternative methods to restrain the animal.

Somebody suggested a garden shed. This is quite hilarious, I think this poster also mentioned the word "cruelty"? I could be wrong there though.

Evelyn Cusack · 01-11-2013 03:25PM

ViveLaVie wrote: »

Well we won't neuter our dog at home because as reports go, the dog can end up lethargic and depressed from it. There's a problem with overpopulation in the world too and children are leading horribly lonely lives in orphanages but people don't criticise others for having their own children instead of adopting.

I think crossbreeds are lovely and I dislike this elitist idea that mixed breeds have no use. If this attitude was stamped out, maybe more people would take puppies from shelters instead of forking out for pure breeds.

You know who else had this idea?

HITLER!!

thegreatgonzo · 01-11-2013 03:36PM

ViveLaVie wrote: »

Well we won't neuter our dog at home because as reports go, the dog can end up lethargic and depressed from it. There's a problem with overpopulation in the world too and children are leading horribly lonely lives in orphanages but people don't criticise others for having their own children instead of adopting.

I think crossbreeds are lovely and I dislike this elitist idea that mixed breeds have no use. If this attitude was stamped out, maybe more people would take puppies from shelters instead of forking out for pure breeds.

I also like crossbreeds. But it isn't just crossbreeds that are in shelters, plenty of purebreds in there too. There are just too many puppies to find homes. Some people buy pure breeds because they love a breed and there is nothing wrong with that if they buy from a reputable breeder.
I don't know how many reports you have read about neutering but it's never been my experience that a dog is depressed or lethargic because they have been neutered. It certainly didn't reduce my parent's dog's energy.

looking_around · 01-11-2013 03:37PM

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

Allergies, asthma, cleanliness, prohibited by homeowner/landlord.

Just a couple of reasons why people do not keep specific pets inside.

I would love to have an image of the garden and see if it's possible to have alternative methods to restrain the animal.

Somebody suggested a garden shed. This is quite hilarious, I think this poster also mentioned the word "cruelty"? I could be wrong there though.

It's a few days of the year. Any of those reasons are surely not enough not to bring a dog in,. Doesn't even have to have full access to the house.
___
And chaining is still a terrible form of containment. There are so many cases of dogs accidentally chocking with chains. People need to stop seeing it as a suitable containment. What it is, is a quick & cheap containment, but not suitable.

meoklmrk91 · 01-11-2013 03:43PM

ViveLaVie wrote: »

Well we won't neuter our dog at home because as reports go, the dog can end up lethargic and depressed from it. There's a problem with overpopulation in the world too and children are leading horribly lonely lives in orphanages but people don't criticise others for having their own children instead of adopting.

I think crossbreeds are lovely and I dislike this elitist idea that mixed breeds have no use. If this attitude was stamped out, maybe more people would take puppies from shelters instead of forking out for pure breeds.

Right this is off topic but I had to reply, I'm sorry but whoever gave you that kid of info is grossly misinformed, the idea that a dog would end up lethargic and depressed is akin to the rumour that you had to let an animal have one litter before you nuetered it. My own dog who is lying here beside me as I type was nuetered a 6 months, he was lethargic and depressed for all of a day, due to the anaesthesia, before he was back to his old, hyper, crazy, fun self. Neutering means that male dogs aren't being driven mad by the fact that their is a bitch in heat nearby, and by nearby I mean within a square mile, they don't put themselves in danger by roaming to get to her, they don't feel the need to mark every spot they come across and it lowers the risk of certain cancers by quite a lot, testicular cancer for instance, they can't get it.

For bitches spaying means that they aren't being tormented by males, they aren't having litter after litter, which will kill them eventually, again it lowers the risk or a number of cancers, removes the risk of pyrometra, false pregnancies etc.

IMHO, it makes for a much more settled happy dog, the only people who should have un-nuetered dogs and bitches are responsible breeders. Nobody is saying that mix breeds don't have a place, as far as I am concerned a dog is a dog and so are most other people. However we as a country cannot keep going the way we are going, every single rescue in the country is bursting at the seems, we are putting thousands of dogs and puppies to their death every year because there is simply no homes for them, we would be putting a lot more down too if it wasn't for rescues and the UK, our problem is so bad that we have to send our dogs and puppies to another country to be rehomed, those that aren't lucky get the needle.

So please don't delude yourself into thinking that we don't have a problem because we do, nobody should be purposefully breeding cross breeds at the moment, things are too bad, if you want a cross breed go down to your local rescue or pound, they are full of them. If you don't want to nueter your pet fine, that's your choice, but make sure that your decision doesn't mean that a litter of unwanted puppies are brought into the world only to be put to sleep or end up in rescue.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 01-11-2013 03:52PM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Right this is off topic but I had to reply, I'm sorry but whoever gave you that kid of info is grossly misinformed, the idea that a dog would end up lethargic and depressed is akin to the rumour that you had to let an animal have one litter before you nuetered it. My own dog who is lying here beside me as I type was nuetered a 6 months, he was lethargic and depressed for all of a day, due to the anaesthesia, before he was back to his old, hyper, crazy, fun self. Neutering means that male dogs aren't being driven mad by the fact that their is a bitch in heat nearby, and by nearby I mean within a square mile, they don't put themselves in danger by roaming to get to her, they don't feel the need to mark every spot they come across and it lowers the risk of certain cancers by quite a lot, testicular cancer for instance, they can't get it.

For bitches spaying means that they aren't being tormented by males, they aren't having litter after litter, which will kill them eventually, again it lowers the risk or a number of cancers, removes the risk of pyrometra, false pregnancies etc.

IMHO, it makes for a much more settled happy dog, the only people who should have un-nuetered dogs and bitches are responsible breeders. Nobody is saying that mix breeds don't have a place, as far as I am concerned a dog is a dog and so are most other people. However we as a country cannot keep going the way we are going, every single rescue in the country is bursting at the seems, we are putting thousands of dogs and puppies to their death every year because there is simply no homes for them, we would be putting a lot more down too if it wasn't for rescues and the UK, our problem is so bad that we have to send our dogs and puppies to another country to be rehomed, those that aren't lucky get the needle.

So please don't delude yourself into thinking that we don't have a problem because we do, nobody should be purposefully breeding cross breeds at the moment, things are too bad, if you want a cross breed go down to your local rescue or pound, they are full of them. If you don't want to nueter your pet fine, that's your choice, but make sure that your decision doesn't mean that a litter of unwanted puppies are brought into the world only to be put to sleep or end up in rescue.

So basically you remove the dog from the dog.

What's the end result?

Evelyn Cusack · 01-11-2013 03:55PM

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

So basically you remove the dog from the dog.

What's the end result?

after 10 years they all become extinct?

fishy fishy · 01-11-2013 04:01PM

Evelyn Cusack wrote: »

like putting a leash and collar on them

not even close.

fishy fishy · 01-11-2013 04:03PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I haven't been able to see anything without a sense of bias or emotive comments from respondents claim it was abuse.

Abuse is in how you interact with the animal. A chain is a tool. How you use it determines whether or not there is abuse. But it's not simply on the basis that a dog is chained with it.

leaving a dog on a chain with numerous pups running around coming up to the worst night of the year for dogs is abuse. tool or no tool - it should not be how an animal is treated. Anything else is just an excuse.

thegreatgonzo · 01-11-2013 04:05PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

leaving a dog on a chain with numerous pups running around coming up to the worst night of the year for dogs is abuse. tool or no tool - it should not be how an animal is treated. Anything else is just an excuse.

I think it would be more accurate to call it neglect.

Tragic Dog Killed by Firework

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