Dacia Duster

BdaraB · 31-10-2013 02:41PM

MidlandsM wrote: »

it's actually a very poor performance from Dacia as was widely reported, they're struggled to flog only a couple of hundred dusters on the 132 plate.

Poor performance? The Duster was the eight best selling car last month in Ireland with 77 sold in September. Dacia itself managed to outsell Renault even, but this doesn't count the imported Duster's, when I was home last weekend I spotted a bronze and a blue Duster on Irish plates which must have been imported.

dnme · 31-10-2013 02:57PM

I'm in the market for a CSUV at present. When I saw the Duster, I loved the shape. That blocky kinda jeep shape does it for me. But when I sat into one . . . Nah!

delthedriver · 31-10-2013 03:16PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

If that is bad for a completely new entrant to the market then some more established players will need to sit down and seriously consider leaving the Irish market.

Agreed. Perhaps Colm could advise stats in relation to other manufs.?:)

It would be interesting to compare the numbers with established brands like Fiat/Alfa.

If I'm not mistaken the initial quota of 400 Dusters were actually sold before the actual launch date of 1 January. There were also supply delivery issues until April.

I guess Dacia can't be too unhappy with their 1st year in Ireland.

In the budget price range a few saucy second hand sellers probably found it harder to shift their commodities.

delthedriver · 31-10-2013 03:18PM

MidlandsM wrote: »

it's actually a very poor performance from Dacia as was widely reported, they're struggled to flog only a couple of hundred dusters on the 132 plate.

Widely reported, where?

BdaraB · 31-10-2013 03:34PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Agreed. Perhaps Colm could advise stats in relation to other manufs.?:)

It would be interesting to compare the numbers with established brands like Fiat/Alfa.

If I'm not mistaken the initial quota of 400 Dusters were actually sold before the actual launch date of 1 January. There were also supply delivery issues until April.

I guess Dacia can't be too unhappy with their 1st year in Ireland.

In the budget price range a few saucy second hand sellers probably found it harder to shift their commodities.

Sorry I forgot to add in the link in my last post, here is car sales for September: http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2013/10/03/ireland-september-2013-bmw-5-series-1-again-seat-leon-3/

cabb8ge · 31-10-2013 03:48PM

delthedriver wrote: »

established brands like Fiat/Alfa.
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effectively none sold

MidlandsM · 31-10-2013 04:01PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Widely reported, where?

it was in the papers, saw it myself - and just because you did'nt see it yourself delboy does'nt mean it wasnt reported.....:rolleyes: only 200 on the 132 plate is a poor performance, espececially for a bargain bucket cheap yoke that some where clambering to order, before the even arrived........but the game is up, as people have seen them now and seen how low grade they actually are, and are spending their hard earned on a quality used suv, mostly in from the uk.

colm_mcm · 31-10-2013 05:03PM

The figures given include UK imports

MidlandsM · 31-10-2013 05:48PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

The figures given include UK imports

which is a large percentage..

galwaytt · 31-10-2013 06:11PM

BdaraB wrote: »

Sorry I forgot to add in the link in my last post, here is car sales for September: http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2013/10/03/ireland-september-2013-bmw-5-series-1-again-seat-leon-3/

...and a good comment from that link which should be borne in mind...

"These (223) 5 series are sitting in dealers in Dublin. They are registered but not sold. There is a market share war in Ireland at the moment. 27% of cars registered in Ireland this September were registered on the last day just to boost figures. The S.I.M.I will not release REAL car sales data in Ireland as REAL sales account for 30% of the market. Most cars registered are Demonstration Models, Rental Cars, Lease cars and Pre Reg deals where the distributor register cars just for market share. "

Does anyone really think 223 people took delivery of 5-series in September, when the nearest car (by qty) a more modestly affordable car - the Golf - could only chalk up 125 sales, and the Focus a mere 88 ? Even the car-du-jour, the proverbial Octavia 'only' chalked up 75?

Nope, something going on here with numbers.

Roll-back discount on 'sold' 5-series must be huge........:rolleyes:

colm_mcm · 31-10-2013 06:43PM

Sure theyre advertising the nearly new bmws now, ex managers cars and showroom models.

dnme · 31-10-2013 07:47PM

Can anyone explain this whole pre-registering malarky to me. OK there's a market share war on. But a dealer takes delivery of stuff and registers it. Surely this immediately diminishes the value of the stock. It's now effectively used, timestamped and has 1 owner on the log book. So how in gods name does it work? Where's the benefit ?

MuppetCheck · 31-10-2013 07:53PM

Meet incentive based targets, gets a discount meaning they can sell it cheaper. To most sane people buying a pre-reg with minimal miles on an already cheap car makes a lot of sense.

dnme · 31-10-2013 08:00PM

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Meet incentive based targets, gets a discount meaning they can sell it cheaper. To most sane people buying a pre-reg with minimal miles on an already cheap car makes a lot of sense.

Are the incentive based targets not based on full value sales ? Otherwise why not just knock 5k off the things and leave the registration until the customer actually shows up in the showroom and says "I'll take one of them Jim". That would be even more attractive to the customer.

It's like skewing the supply chain. At the end of the chain, they purposely devalue the product just to sell it cheaper. Why de-value at all ? Why not just sell it cheaper ?

MuppetCheck · 31-10-2013 08:02PM

A registered car is what counts, then risk selling it for the price they need afterwards.

dnme · 31-10-2013 08:09PM

MuppetCheck wrote: »

A registered car is what counts, then risk selling it for the price they need afterwards.

As a customer currently shopping new, I can tell you that the discounts being offered for pre-reg'd or "ex-demo" are very unremarkable. I'm looking at vehicles in the 30-35k range. Best cash deal I have on paper is €30,800 brand new. I have seen same spec/trim pre-reg'd being offered at 2-3k more than that! literally, I am not making this up.
I have also seen pre-reg'd being offered at similar to my best offer above but with no haggling leeway. So from my own empirical data and experiences, the first thing I would have to question is - how many pre-reg'd vehicles are actually being sold. In my opinion it's a poor strategy, from my own observations it simply will not sustain itself and quite frankly I don't get it.

MuppetCheck · 31-10-2013 08:35PM

dnme wrote: »

As a customer currently shopping new, I can tell you that the discounts being offered for pre-reg'd or "ex-demo" are very unremarkable. I'm looking at vehicles in the 30-35k range. Best cash deal I have on paper is €30,800 brand new. I have seen same spec/trim pre-reg'd being offered at 2-3k more than that! literally, I am not making this up.
I have also seen pre-reg'd being offered at similar to my best offer above but with no haggling leeway. So from my own empirical data and experiences, the first thing I would have to question is - how many pre-reg'd vehicles are actually being sold. In my opinion it's a poor strategy, from my own observations it simply will not sustain itself and quite frankly I don't get it.

My father bought a pre-reg in Jan. Picked it up the day it was registered. With them registering it he got 4250 off list, if he bought it unregistered the best price he got was 2k off for the model he wanted. Funny thing is the one he bought pre-reg'd had less km on it than the brand new one. Depends how you haggle and who you are dealing with I suppose:)

R.O.R · 31-10-2013 10:03PM

galwaytt wrote: »

...and a good comment from that link which should be borne in mind...

"These (223) 5 series are sitting in dealers in Dublin. They are registered but not sold. There is a market share war in Ireland at the moment. 27% of cars registered in Ireland this September were registered on the last day just to boost figures. The S.I.M.I will not release REAL car sales data in Ireland as REAL sales account for 30% of the market. Most cars registered are Demonstration Models, Rental Cars, Lease cars and Pre Reg deals where the distributor register cars just for market share. "

Does anyone really think 223 people took delivery of 5-series in September, when the nearest car (by qty) a more modestly affordable car - the Golf - could only chalk up 125 sales, and the Focus a mere 88 ? Even the car-du-jour, the proverbial Octavia 'only' chalked up 75?

Nope, something going on here with numbers.

Roll-back discount on 'sold' 5-series must be huge........:rolleyes:

BMW were offering free Auto transmission on 5 Series models, registered before October.

Smart dealers would have take as many as they could in to stock, and if they weren't sold then reg them on the 30th September to get a €2,600 at no cost. Sell them for the retail of a manual and they are well up.

I also doubt there are anywhere near 230 sitting on forecourts. I was looking for one around the 25th September, and was only offered 3 from free stock.

Got 8 x 5 Series with the free Auto box, but all came through in August as I got orders in nice and early.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2013 09:31AM

cabb8ge wrote: »

Modern Megane is very cheap feel

If you're comparing it to an S class you may have a point.

listermint · 01-11-2013 10:29AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

If you're comparing it to an S class you may have a point.

Yeah i dont really get that.

Ive been in many marques and the megane doesnt feel cheap inside what so ever.

cabb8ge · 01-11-2013 10:32AM

Opinion differs, it my opinion Megane cheap look and feel compared to Focus, Jetta etc. Back in years past Renault 19 did not feel cheap to me.

listermint · 01-11-2013 11:21AM

cabb8ge wrote: »

Opinion differs, it my opinion Megane cheap look and feel compared to Focus, Jetta etc. Back in years past Renault 19 did not feel cheap to me.

awful horrid place to be alright....

listermint · 01-11-2013 11:22AM

perhaps it was the horrible Sport option cabin

listermint · 01-11-2013 11:25AM

The Renault 19, my dad had one as did the neighbour.

Epitome of style that it was.

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galwaytt · 01-11-2013 11:28AM

listermint wrote: »

perhaps it was the horrible Sport option cabin

I don't see anything wrong with that at all, comparing to say...Focus, Golf etc.

One thing a hangover from R19 and Mégane days which I don't get though............why are the instruments laid back at such an angle....almost facing the roof more than anything else......

cabb8ge · 01-11-2013 01:56PM

listermint wrote: »

perhaps it was the horrible Sport option cabin

No, it the standard one, not the sport model.

I cannot understand why people challenge other people opinion, why don't you go and post a picture of a more common standard Megane?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-megane-expression-1-5-dci-5dr-h/5913500

Very different from the sport model.

ThisRegard · 01-11-2013 04:00PM

The materials on the dash and doors are the same on all 3.

listermint · 01-11-2013 04:16PM

cabb8ge wrote: »

No, it the standard one, not the sport model.

I cannot understand why people challenge other people opinion, why don't you go and post a picture of a more common standard Megane?

Very different from the sport model.

Here you are so, Whats wrong with this interior then? That terrible donedeal ad image doesnt really give a clear picture considering how bad the quality image is with the sun etc.

Where is the premium in comparison to the focus ? Bearing in mind this is the bog standard opening spec of the range.

Im challenging your opinion about how cheap the interior of the new megane supposedly is against the rivals you pointed out.

Looks like a nice place to be, dont you agree ?

delthedriver · 02-11-2013 11:15AM

MidlandsM wrote: »

it was in the papers, saw it myself - and just because you did'nt see it yourself delboy does'nt mean it wasnt reported.....:rolleyes: only 200 on the 132 plate is a poor performance, espececially for a bargain bucket cheap yoke that some where clambering to order, before the even arrived........but the game is up, as people have seen them now and seen how low grade they actually are, and are spending their hard earned on a quality used suv, mostly in from the uk.

Ah.................. I guess we read different newspapers!:D

delthedriver · 02-11-2013 11:18AM

BdaraB wrote: »

Sorry I forgot to add in the link in my last post, here is car sales for September: http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2013/10/03/ireland-september-2013-bmw-5-series-1-again-seat-leon-3/

Thank you for the stats, very interesting reading.

Well done, stats always more desirable than throwaway comments.

Sincerely:)

Dacia Duster

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