Clare GAA discussion thread

Figerty · 28-10-2013 09:26PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

If games are postponed, the county management can request postponment, its the clubs and their representatives that vote.

Why in Gods name did football championship not start till August? That's an absolute joke. Or was that at the request of the hurling management??

Clubs by their nature are selfish and insular. If you have an injured player or two and there is a chance to postpone a fixture, but by their nature they want their best team on the pitch.
We all know that when a motion to change a fixture is put to the board and could be contentious the usual suspects pop up their hand to talk in favour and are usually well coached.....

Watch what will happen next year. We will have round 1 and 2 of the championship foisted upon the clubs in March April to make sure Davy has a clear run at the summer.
Do I blame Davy for wanting the best? Absolutely not.

Croke park should have a master fixture list, and make the clubs play champtionship a week after major games. No excuses; the same for everyone.

Look, what counties have the most all-irelands and play championship during the year... Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp.... they can't be doing too much wrong. There are holes in that argument as will be easily pointed out. But the reality remains.. 140+ days between round 1and 2 of the hurling. A football championship that started in August.

windy shepard henderson · 28-10-2013 09:31PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

If games are postponed, the county management can request postponment, its the clubs and their representatives that vote.

Why in Gods name did football championship not start till August? That's an absolute joke. Or was that at the request of the hurling management??

everyone had to wait for cratloe, but i dont buy this crap no one gives a toss about football!! it was colm colins the clare football manager who called for the delay in the championship.

doonbeg, cooraclare and lissycaesy all have strong members on the county board the chairperson for the county board is from miltown? the problem i have is the fact that there were several meetings over the weekend and all they had to do was put the game back until thuresday or friday night , the minor and u21 footballers had to do it in the last few weeks and most of them were in collage in cork limerick galway ect......

the best offered by doonbeg was to play the game at half 5 or something which was an insult to cooraclare,

they should have agreed to put the game back to later in the week even next weekend and play the semi final mid week. nobody was complaining today 4 weeks ago when we were just after lifting the all ireland, we all knew what position we were in long before the weekend

Boots234 · 28-10-2013 09:45PM

So what is the story now? Doonbeg are down to play Lissycasey on Saturday evening but it's hardly just going to be left like this

windy shepard henderson · 28-10-2013 09:52PM

Boots234 wrote: »

So what is the story now? Doonbeg are down to play Lissycasey on Saturday evening but it's hardly just going to be left like this

there is a meating to find out what is going to happen tomorrow. if its replayed i recon it will probley be played next friday night..........which is what should have been agreed in the first place

infairnes doonbeg did say they would have prefered to been kicked out of the championship then recive a walkover

here is a report on what happened today

http://www.clarechampion.ie/index.php/stalemate-as-football-quarter-final-is-not-played/

here is doonbeg's statment just released a few mins ago

https://www.facebook.com/DoonbegFootball/posts/444983562277481

corner back 2 · 29-10-2013 10:40PM

Has anyone any pictures of 1962 Ennis CBS Harty Cup Final victory. I would really appreciate any as they are for a birthday present for someone who played that day.

dpofloinn · 30-10-2013 12:10AM

Id say your best bet might be to contact the CBS directly. I know that there used to be a team photo of that Harty team hanging on the wall of one of the coridors

windy shepard henderson · 30-10-2013 02:05AM

Running Balance wrote: »

county board don't give a sh%te about football.

They'd be happy to run the whole off as a blitz over one weekend!!!

i think that nearly happened tonight if what i heard is true!!!
the story around here is at one stage the setting looked like this......
cooraclare agreed to play doonbeg whenever it suited them and were not fussy about the time and date of the fixture.
doonbeg wanted to play the game on Saturday!!

however lissycaesy stated that they wanted to play there semi final on that day........ and apparently someone suggested playing "BOTH QUARTER AND SEMI FINALS ON THE SAME DAY"

this of course could be a tall tail but given what has happened recently i would not be surprised!!!!

Boots234 · 30-10-2013 09:03AM

Did they decide when the game would be on in the end?

windy shepard henderson · 30-10-2013 07:33PM

Boots234 wrote: »

Did they decide when the game would be on in the end?

i dont think so!! from what i can understand it seems to be a stalemate with cooraclare leaving it up to doonbeg to pick a date for the 1/4 final,
lissycaesy want the game played before saterday and want there fixture played on saterday the 2/11/13

thats the date that doonbeg have set for there game vs cooraclare, because one of there players is working in london..........we had players working in london this year also........"WE called That Emigration" they seem to call it work commitments, but yet they had no problem playing cooraclare last week with a man down,

the board are now trying to accommodate both parties by sending a request to the munster council for a week's delay in the munster club championship so that all games will be played at weekends and everyone will be happy,

there is alot more to blame then the county board here but this should never happen again, a set fixture list needs to be set out before the start of the championship next year and stick with it for both hurling and football

Running Balance · 30-10-2013 09:43PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i think that nearly happened tonight if what i heard is true!!!
the story around here is at one stage the setting looked like this......
cooraclare agreed to play doonbeg whenever it suited them and were not fussy about the time and date of the fixture.
doonbeg wanted to play the game on Saturday!!

however lissycaesy stated that they wanted to play there semi final on that day........ and apparently someone suggested playing "BOTH QUARTER AND SEMI FINALS ON THE SAME DAY"

this of course could be a tall tail but given what has happened recently i would not be surprised!!!!

two games in one day?
One before breakfast and one after lunch..
Or better again put three set of goals on the pitch and let the three teams play??

at least it would be entertaining!!

Is it not just best for the CCb to forget about the Munster championship and just focus on running off the Clare championship within a proper timeframe??

Boots234 · 31-10-2013 09:57AM

Looks like the Clare county board have applied to the Munster council to have the game involving the Clare champions to be put back a week but it's at the discretion of Ballinacourty and Drom-Collogher Broadford now to agree to it

premierstone · 31-10-2013 02:44PM

Boots234 wrote: »

Looks like the Clare county board have applied to the Munster council to have the game involving the Clare champions to be put back a week but it's at the discretion of Ballinacourty and Drom-Collogher Broadford now to agree to it

Drom have said they have no problem with it as long as the Munster Council allow the Munster Final to be put back a week as a result, thus allowing the winners of the semi to have two weeks to prepare for the final, and Ballinacourty will meet tonight to discuss it.

Hidalgo · 31-10-2013 08:16PM

A decision has been reached at last.
Cooraclare V Doonbeg is going ahead this Saturday in Kilmihil. The winner playing Lissycasey the weekend after.
The other semi going ahead this weekend between Cratloe and Eire Og.

According to Clare FM, all clubs have agreed to play the county final on Sat 16 November and play Munster club the following day if necessary.

I assume in the meantime the county board will attempt to get Munster club postponed till the weekend of 23/24 November

Boots234 · 31-10-2013 09:03PM

At this stage that is the best outcome as it gives each team adequate time between the quarter and semi finals as well as the final. Drom Broadford have agreed to put back the week of the Munster semi final and I'd imagine that Ballinacourty won't object either. The county board will get away with this mess that they have made. They are VERY lucky that Cratloe have been knocked out of the hurling

premierstone · 31-10-2013 09:05PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

A decision has been reached at last.
Cooraclare V Doonbeg is going ahead this Saturday in Kilmihil. The winner playing Lissycasey the weekend after.
The other semi going ahead this weekend between Cratloe and Eire Og.

According to Clare FM, all clubs have agreed to play the county final on Sat 16 November and play Munster club the following day if necessary.

I assume in the meantime the county board will attempt to get Munster club postponed till the weekend of 23/24 November

I'm sure Mr Frost and co will be more than willing to accommodate.

Clareman · 31-10-2013 10:01PM

Total and utter farce, I know I've stopped myself from saying what I really think time and again, but this has really angered me.

We are All Ireland Champions, for the 4th time in the history of the association and for the third time in my life time, credit has to go to all involved but that only papers over the cracks.

The footballers continue to be a mockery, not only have we failed to gain promotion for over a decade but there is severe in fighting between clubs and players refusing to play for their county, the County board seem content to try to get big name senior managers while ignoring the problems at grass roots, the west is being decimated by emigration and nothing is being done to promote the sport in other areas, I think it's about time that we either put a serious effort into building football from the ground up or we stop fooling ourselves that we are a dual county. If you want to see how third rate football is in Clare have a look at underage Clare teams, they are all wearing old gear.

The county championship is a joke, fair enough having 3 All Ireland Finals in September led to a backlog at the end, but ffs we've had the best summer in memory and pitches were empty, not playing matches in case fellas get injured is a fools excuse, if you are that worried about them you wouldn't have them training or driving either, people will get injured everywhere. The county championship should have been played in April/May/June/July/August, there's 5 months there, play 1 game a month, that's the 3 group games, quarter final and semi finals out of the way, THEN play your county final in time for the Munster Club.

Changing the rules of the competition while the competition is a mockery as well, you set the rules for relegation at the start, stick to them. The whole Kilmaley/Relegation playoff thing shows just how incompetent the whole thing is, then after making a big song and dance over playing games off over subsequent weekend to postpone a game because of 1 player having to work abroad, don't get me wrong I realise that people have to work, but people all over the county have been forced to work abroad, games aren't been being put back for them but to refuse a delay for the death of a father of a player a couple of weeks later, that's just a disgrace.

I won't even mention the farce over tickets (I know for a fact that 8 tickets in section 331 went unsold because I saw them myself), this county board is going to continue to throw money at the senior hurlers with little or no accountability while every other aspect of the GAA in Clare will suffer.

Mal-Adjusted · 01-11-2013 02:01AM

Clareman wrote: »

Total and utter farce, I know I've stopped
myself from saying what I really think time and again, but this has really angered me.

agreed. I reacon I was too caught up with the excitment of the all-irelands to really notice.

Clareman wrote: »

The footballers continue to be a mockery, not only have we failed to gain promotion for over a decade but there is severe in fighting between clubs and players refusing to play for their county

This is a new one, to me at least. Why do some players refuse to play for county? I don't know much about football in Clare but is there some kind of schism between clubs and the county board?

Clareman wrote: »

we stop fooling ourselves that we are a dual county.

to be fair, I don't think anyone really thinks we are.

Clareman wrote: »

The county championship is a joke, fair enough having 3 All Ireland Finals in September led to a backlog at the end

But that's with the Hurlers. Why would it impact the football scene? Without meaning to sound nasty, county commitments couldn't have been too pressing with only...two matches? Why was this not all done in the summer? Looking to reschedule a fixture because a player is working abroad is farcical TBH.

Clareman · 01-11-2013 08:37AM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

This is a new one, to me at least. Why do some players refuse to play for county? I don't know much about football in Clare but is there some kind of schism between clubs and the county board?

Hassle between clubs, some players from a club being picked and others not picked, stuff like that.

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

to be fair, I don't think anyone really thinks we are.

I'm probably just delusional, I honestly do believe that we have good enough footballers to contest with some of the bigger teams, I'm not saying we are going to win an All Ireland but we should be at least competitive.

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

But that's with the Hurlers. Why would it impact the football scene?

Cratloe are a Dual Club and most of their players will be on both teams, considering they've a lot of under 21s as well they would have been under a lot of pressure to field a team at some stages during the summer.

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Without meaning to sound nasty, county commitments couldn't have been too pressing with only...two matches? Why was this not all done in the summer? Looking to reschedule a fixture because a player is working abroad is farcical TBH.

And herein lies the crux of the problem. The Senior Hurling Manager said that players wouldn't be released back to their clubs so everything was put on hold. IMO the Senior Manager has had too much power since Loughnane dictated when the club championship should be played, with the Manager's Father now in charge of the County Board and his Sister in charge of the Supporters Club there will be no change any time soon.

keeponhurling · 01-11-2013 10:45AM

Clareman wrote: »

And herein lies the crux of the problem. The Senior Hurling Manager said that players wouldn't be released back to their clubs so everything was put on hold. IMO the Senior Manager has had too much power since Loughnane dictated when the club championship should be played, with the Manager's Father now in charge of the County Board and his Sister in charge of the Supporters Club there will be no change any time soon.

I think this is a bit unfair.
It has always been the way (and in many other counties too) that county teams are put ahead of club fixtures.
I really think whose Dad or sister is where is irrelevant. Like you said, it was the same under Loughnane, Mike Mac etc.

keeponhurling · 01-11-2013 10:58AM

Clareman wrote: »

Hassle between clubs, some players from a club being picked and others not picked, stuff like that.

.

I know there is hassle among clubs, and some KIB players wouldn;t play etc.

But I think ultimately the key reason lads don't commit is because they know they have no chance of any success.

If we are competing in All-Irelands, lads would be busting a gut to be on the panel.'

Whenever you go to a Div 4 league game in Cusack Park, there's only maybe one man and a dog watching (exageration, but you get my point). No glamour in playing football for Clare.

premierstone · 01-11-2013 11:31AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I know there is hassle among clubs, and some KIB players wouldn;t play etc.

But I think ultimately the key reason lads don't commit is because they know they have no chance of any success.

If we are competing in All-Irelands, lads would be busting a gut to be on the panel.'

Whenever you go to a Div 4 league game in Cusack Park, there's only maybe one man and a dog watching (exageration, but you get my point). No glamour in playing football for Clare.

Its the chicken and the egg scenario though and you only have to look at the club teams from Clare to see the talent that is there, BTW Clare have a serious minor football team next year aswell

Clareman · 01-11-2013 11:33AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I think this is a bit unfair.
It has always been the way (and in many other counties too) that county teams are put ahead of club fixtures.
I really think whose Dad or sister is where is irrelevant. Like you said, it was the same under Loughnane, Mike Mac etc.

That's true and I'm probably being overly paranoid about having 1 family overly involved in the running of Clare GAA, every county has it's issues and has management wanting the best for their own teams

Boots234 · 02-11-2013 04:53PM

Doonbeg beat Cooraclare 1-8 to 4 points today in terrible conditions. Cooraclare only scored 2 points in the first half with the gale which was their downfall. Overall the best team won though. The weather ruined the game though, not surprising seeing as though it is now November and we are still only playing the quarter finals!

phkk · 02-11-2013 05:04PM

Boots234 wrote: »

Doonbeg beat Cooraclare 1-8 to 4 points today in terrible conditions. Cooraclare only scored 2 points in the first half with the gale which was their downfall. Overall the best team won though. The weather ruined the game though, not surprising seeing as though it is now November and we are still only playing the quarter finals!

Who won hurling club match today?

opinionated3 · 02-11-2013 05:15PM

Bridge win 1 11 to 11pts. Their name is in the trophy I reckon. Something about them this year

Kerrydude1981 · 02-11-2013 08:35PM

Was checking out club results that were played today

Jesus Whitegate dont get much time to celebrate their win,I see on the Munster GAA website that they are playing again tomorrow against Youghal of Cork in the Munster Intermediate Club Champioship,

That cant be right is it?

Clareman · 02-11-2013 08:37PM

Nope, Whitegate are out tomorrow, don't get me started on the state of the Clare fixtures, I've had a long day and am going to have a few beers by the fire once herself goes to sleep.

I think Barefield will struggle to get back to senior level over the next few years.

thinkstoomuch1 · 02-11-2013 08:57PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Was checking out club results that were played today

Jesus Whitegate dont get much time to celebrate their win,I see on the Munster GAA website that they are playing again tomorrow against Youghal of Cork in the Munster Intermediate Club Champioship,

That cant be right is it?

Yeah ,whatever the rights and wrongs,i feel for whitegate,most them ordinary club players,and huge ask mentally and physically to play within 24 hours.

Even for Bulger a man at intercounty fitness ,its a test but doable.The rest ,have a huge ask.

The conditions are so testing it makes it worse.A lot of cork lads have no sympathy for them,i do.Its not the ordinary club players fault.

Emotionally its cruel ,to win a county final,they loose tommorrow ,tinged with dissappointment.If it wasnt cork team,id hope they win.

They have hope,as youghal are missing a few,and bulger ,gives any team a chance.

CheltenhamJ · 03-11-2013 10:32AM

Presumably the game goes ahead today in the park at 1 - any inspection or switch ?

Boots234 · 03-11-2013 11:44AM

The Miltown v Sean Finn's game has been switched from Askeaton to the Gaelic Grounds at 2 today

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