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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    What the rabid vegetarians seem unable to understand is that if we all stopped eating meat tomorrow all the little cuddly baby animals wouldn't roam the fields until a ripe old age. There'd be a massive cull and all the grazing land would be put to other uses. There'd be no incentive to raise pheasants, grouse and manage herds of deer. PETA are bonkers and it's just silly to engage with them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    IM0 wrote: »
    is the info in it factually wrong though thats the point

    While we should eat less meat than we do they are completely wrong,
    The Natural Human Diet

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    When you see dead animals on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop and snack on them? Does the sight of a dead bird make you salivate? Do you daydream about killing cows with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to these questions, congratulations—like it or not, you're an herbivore.

    When you see potatoes on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop and snack on them? Do you daydream about growing crops with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to these questions, congratulations—like it or not, you're an carnivore.

    As it mentions later raw meat can be bad for us, therefore we do not like the idea of raw meat, we have developed a way of making it safe for us. Cooking
    According to biologists and anthropologists who study our anatomy and our evolutionary history, humans are herbivores who are not well suited to eating meat. Humans lack both the physical characteristics of carnivores and the instinct that drives them to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses.

    We are omnivores, we are suited to eat some meat but not as our only source of food. We have instinct to kill anything and then cook it so that it is safe for out consumption.
    HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY

    Although many humans choose to eat a wide variety of plant and animal foods, earning us the dubious title of "omnivore," we are anatomically herbivorous.

    TEETH, JAWS, AND NAILS

    Humans have short, soft fingernails and pathetically small "canine" teeth. In contrast, carnivores all have sharp claws and large canine teeth capable of tearing flesh.

    Carnivores eat nearly only meat, we are omnivores so that is why out carnivore aspects aren't as prominent but the article itself recognises that we do in fact bear some resemblance to them.
    Carnivores' jaws move only up and down, requiring them to tear chunks of flesh from their prey and swallow them whole. Humans and other herbivores can move their jaws up and down and from side to side, allowing them to grind up fruit and vegetables with their back teeth. Like other herbivores' teeth, human back molars are flat for grinding fibrous plant foods. Carnivores lack these flat molars.

    So we have teeth that are designed for us to be carnivores and other teeth for herbivores. It's as if we are a mixture of both, if only we had a name for that!
    Dr. Richard Leakey, a renowned anthropologist, summarizes, "You can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don't have large canine teeth, and we wouldn't have been able to deal with food sources that require those large canines."

    Monkeys cant crack nuts by hand, they use a stone as a tool. Humans used flint as a tool too! We dont say that monkeys and humans shouldn't eat nuts.
    STOMACH ACIDITY

    Carnivores swallow their food whole, relying on their extremely acidic stomach juices to break down flesh and kill the dangerous bacteria in meat that would otherwise sicken or kill them. Our stomach acids are much weaker in comparison because strong acids aren't needed to digest pre-chewed fruits and vegetables.

    We also grind up the meat with those lovely molars of ours so we wouldn't need our acid to be as strong.
    INTESTINAL LENGTH

    Carnivores have short intestinal tracts and colons that allow meat to pass through the animal relatively quickly, before it can rot and cause illness. Humans' intestinal tracts are much longer than those of carnivores of comparable size. Longer intestines allow the body more time to break down fiber and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods, but they make it dangerous for humans to eat meat. The bacteria in meat have extra time to multiply during the long trip through the digestive system, increasing the risk of food poisoning. Meat actually begins to rot while it makes its way through human intestines, which increases the risk of colon cancer.

    We cook meat just as we use tools to open the nuts.
    Read author John Robbins' discussion of the anatomical differences between humans and carnivores or review Dr. Milton Mills' entire article on the topic to learn more.

    HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY

    Humans also lack the instinct that drives carnivores to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses. While carnivores take pleasure in killing animals and eating their raw flesh, any human who killed an animal with his or her bare hands and ate the raw corpse would be considered deranged. Carnivorous animals are excited by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of blood, intestines and raw flesh, and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, another indication that we were not designed to eat meat.

    And yet we hunt animals for sport with no intention of using the meat. The carnivores kill to eat, we kill for fun. Animals tend to kill their prey quickly as possible, not tear it apart slowly to listen to it scream. If killing the animals for meat we cook it first for the reasons above.
    IF WE WERE MEANT TO EAT MEAT, WHY IS IT KILLING US?

    Carnivorous animals in the wild virtually never suffer from heart disease, cancer, diabetes, strokes, or obesity, ailments that are caused in humans in large part by the consumption of the saturated fat and cholesterol in meat.

    We are also a lot less active. The animals hunt, we can have tesco send us our meat.
    FAT AND CHOLESTEROL

    Studies have shown that even when fed 200 times the amount of animal fat and cholesterol that the average human consumes each day, carnivores do not develop the hardening of the arteries that leads to heart disease and strokes in humans. Researchers have actually found that it is impossible for carnivores to develop hardening of the arteries, no matter how much animal fat they consume.

    Human bodies, on the other hand, were not designed to process animal flesh, so all the excess fat and cholesterol from a meat-based diet makes us sick. Heart disease, for example, is the number one killer in America according to the American Heart Association, and medical experts agree that this ailment is largely the result of the consumption of animal products. Meat-eaters have a 50 percent higher risk of developing heart disease than vegetarians!

    Correlation does not mean causation. There are 100s of other factors to consider.
    EXCESS PROTEIN

    We consume twice as much protein as we need when we eat a meat-based diet, and this contributes to osteoporosis and kidney stones. Animal protein raises the acid level in our blood, causing calcium to be excreted from the bones to restore the blood's natural pH balance. This calcium depletion leads to osteoporosis, and the excreted calcium ends up in the kidneys, where it can form kidney stones or even trigger kidney disease.

    Consuming animal protein has also been linked to cancer of the colon, breast, prostate, and pancreas. According to Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the director of the Cornell-China-Oxford Project on Nutrition, Health, and the Environment, "In the next ten years, one of the things you're bound to hear is that animal protein … is one of the most toxic nutrients of all that can be considered."

    Eating meat can also have negative consequences for stamina and sexual potency. One Danish study indicated that "Men peddling on a stationary bicycle until muscle failure lasted an average of 114 minutes on a mixed meat and vegetable diet, 57 minutes on a high-meat diet, and a whopping 167 minutes on a strict vegetarian diet."9 Besides having increased physical endurance, vegan men are also less likely to suffer from impotence.

    Can't really comment on these parts, they may be right. Suppose if you say enough things you eventually have to be.
    FOOD POISONING

    Since we don't have strong stomach acids like carnivores to kill all the bacteria in meat, dining on animal flesh can also give us food poisoning. According to the USDA, meat is the cause of 70 percent of foodborne illnesses in the United States because it's often contaminated with dangerous bacteria like E. coli, listeria, and campylobacter. Every year in the United States alone, food poisoning sickens over 75 million people and kills more than 5,000.

    Dr. William C. Roberts, M.D., editor of the authoritative American Journal of Cardiology, sums it up this way: "[A]lthough we think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores." Learn more about how meat damages human health.

    HUMAN EVOLUTION AND THE RISE OF MEAT-HEAVY DIETS

    If it's so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors sometimes turn to flesh for sustenance?

    Again, we cook meat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    I stopped reading at "an herbivore"
    I got as far as 'Dr. Richard Leakey'
    Dickie Leakey :pac:
    That said though, it's fairly common knowledge that meat, especially red meat, takes us forever to digest, so moderation is definitely advised. I don't like the idea of a rotting beef steak sitting in my system for weeks on end either. There isn't actually anything wrong with the article, as in none of it is untrue. You could maybe have meat twice a week, perhaps beef or lamb one time then chicken or pork. Red and white. Fish on another day. That leaves four days of the week where you would eat either a vegetarian meal or gorge on Quorn sausages :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I am pie wrote: »
    I think a reduction in sugar would make more difference than a reduction in meat.

    Personal choice I suppose.
    Why not do both:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭elmolesto


    I have a sudden craving for steak tartare.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    elmolesto wrote: »
    I have a sudden craving for steak tartare.
    No you don't. Nobody would. Most people would not like the idea of buying half a pound of steak mince and eating it raw. Ugh...
    I don't know maybe you would. And some sushi to follow. Then a trip to hospital, get your stomach pumped :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    Johro wrote: »
    No you don't. Nobody would. Most people would not like the idea of buying half a pound of steak mince and eating it raw. Ugh...
    I don't know maybe you would. And some sushi to follow. Then a trip to hospital, get your stomach pumped :P

    http://theprimalparent.com/2011/11/07/years-eating-raw-meat/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭Hello_MrFox


    When i go for a walk in the forest and see berries growing on the trees i don't get a profound urge to start scoffing them like they are the last berries in existence, i do it by choice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 333 ✭✭deseil


    Dont eat meat, dont eat bread, all veg is genetically modified what am I allowed to eat!! I think Ill just move to my treehouse and hope the leaves and bark aren't poison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭elmolesto


    Johro wrote: »
    No you don't. Nobody would. Most people would not like the idea of buying half a pound of steak mince and eating it raw. Ugh...
    I don't know maybe you would. And some sushi to follow. Then a trip to hospital, get your stomach pumped :P

    Steak tartare is lovely and so are sushis. I eat plenty of raw foods and never got sick.

    Start with carpaccios;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Shout Dust


    Critical Thinking needs to be thought as a skill in schools. The op was basically brainwashed by an extremely flimsy article


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Jamez735 wrote: »
    ''At first, I wasn’t prepared to add rice because that was practically against my Paleo religion .. ''

    Yeaahhhhhh......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    elmolesto wrote: »
    Steak tartare is lovely and so are sushis. I eat plenty of raw foods and never got sick.

    Start with carpaccios;)
    Well, whatever pitches your tent.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Denisovan


    deseil wrote: »
    Dont eat meat, dont eat bread, all veg is genetically modified what am I allowed to eat!! I think Ill just move to my treehouse and hope the leaves and bark aren't poison

    Eat meat, it is very good for you. Don' eat bread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Again, we cook meat.
    We didn't always have the ability to cook meat. Well, I say we but I mean the little ape that preceded humans and started us down the road of eating animals couldn't cook their food.

    They think we started as scavengers, our hands allowed us to get the marrow from the bones that other animals couldn't get at and I think the switch over to dealing with food that was in high demand and food that could run away demanded an increase in intelligence. Our ancestors had no choice of course, marrow was about the only digestible food we had available to us at the time. There's very little else on the plains of Africa that we could digest and the much bigger apes that were able to digest the tough roots and vegetables all died out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    ScumLord wrote: »
    We didn't always have the ability to cook meat. Well, I say we but I mean the little ape that preceded humans and started us down the road of eating animals couldn't cook their food.

    Nor did they live in houses, ride horses or drive motor vehicles.


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