Crazy allowances or perks

Gumbo · 26-10-2013 05:32PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I was going on this Kceire

Agh right, I see where your coming from. But I think the OP was just using that as an example, but was more targeting employment perks based on his second paragraph in the same post you quoted.

JUILLIARD · 28-10-2013 10:55AM

Living alone allowance, an Extra payment for people on welfare who live alone. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/extra_social_welfare_benefits/living_alone_allowance.html . Just as crazy as school uniform grants for 22 year olds and communion and debs grants.

tomdempsey200 · 28-10-2013 11:09AM

thanks for that

hopefully i'm eligible

D1976 · 28-10-2013 11:12AM

You're first post on boards.ie for that it's €7.70 a week who cares. I'd be more annoyed by this

http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-expenses-2012-779113-Feb2013/

Independent TD for Kerry South, Michael Healy-Rae, is the next highest claimant at €62,806 – though again, he is the only TD who lives between 330km and 360km from Leinster House.

Taxburden carrier · 28-10-2013 11:13AM

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

thanks for that

hopefully i'm eligible

Looks like the deficit will be narrowed soon :rolleyes:

Gumbo · 28-10-2013 11:32AM

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Looks like the deficit will be narrowed soon :rolleyes:

Here's your :rolleyes: back, you seemed to have dropped it in your previous post.

another question · 28-10-2013 11:38AM

JUILLIARD wrote: »

Living alone allowance, an Extra payment for people on welfare who live alone. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/extra_social_welfare_benefits/living_alone_allowance.html . Just as crazy as school uniform grants for 22 year olds and communion and debs grants.

It's a miserable €7.70 increase for old people over 66 or the disabled under 66. Take your begrudgery elsewhere.

y0ssar1an22 · 28-10-2013 12:11PM

D1976 wrote: »

You're first post on boards.ie for that it's €7.70 a week who cares. I'd be more annoyed by this

http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-expenses-2012-779113-Feb2013/

Independent TD for Kerry South, Michael Healy-Rae, is the next highest claimant at €62,806 – though again, he is the only TD who lives between 330km and 360km from Leinster House.

according to google maps this journey costs roughly e60. so making that journey twice a day for 365 days = (60)(2)(365) = e43800

There is also accommodation to consider, but this is clearly taking advantage of a system that is probably not regulated at all. Are they made hand in receipts I wonder?

gaius c · 28-10-2013 12:42PM

D1976 wrote: »

You're first post on boards.ie for that it's €7.70 a week who cares. I'd be more annoyed by this

http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-expenses-2012-779113-Feb2013/

Independent TD for Kerry South, Michael Healy-Rae, is the next highest claimant at €62,806 – though again, he is the only TD who lives between 330km and 360km from Leinster House.

A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

As for your "it's €7.70 a week who cares" line of argument, my granddad had a great saying, which was "mind the pennies because the pounds look after themselves". We're bust, completely and utterly bust so all the needless handouts need to be trimmed back.

Grab All Association · 28-10-2013 12:52PM

If you are 66 years or over and live alone, you will qualify if you are getting one of the following payments

State Pension (Contributory)
State Pension (Non-Contributory)
Widow's, Widower's or Surviving Civil Partner's (Contributory) Pension
Widow's/Widower's Pension under the Occupational Injuries Benefit Scheme
Incapacity Supplement

Take it off the non contributory sponging women.

Idbatterim · 28-10-2013 12:55PM

It never ends! I hear about all this talk of the bereavement grant being axed, here is an idea (example), put aside the staggering sum of E5 a week and if you retire at 65 and die at 80, you will have E3900 ex interest... Im sure those waiting in the wings for the inheritance (in most cases) can stump up a few thousand if not...

chopper6 · 28-10-2013 05:22PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I just came across this gem!

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-accused-of-telling-us-to-shop-around-for-cheaper-funeral-29702238.html

Have you ever had a family member die?

No amount of money is going to console you or bring them back.

Sickening.

Idbatterim · 28-10-2013 05:28PM

Have you ever had a family member die?

No amount of money is going to console you or bring them back.

Sickening.

yes I have, only my grandmother who I would deem close family in fairness, and Im sure sadly it will be more in the future. Do these payments exist in other countries does anyone know?

The problem here is its only a few euro here, a few euro there, funny the figure that counts is the €20,000,000,000, sure then again thats only €20,000,000,000...

chopper6 · 28-10-2013 05:34PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

yes I have, only my grandmother who I would deem close family in fairness, and Im sure sadly it will be more in the future. Do these payments exist in other countries does anyone know?

Hopefully.

It used to be called a Moral Conscience...and the idea of begrudging a grieving spouse a grand a month when companies like Google are paying the country a ****ing pittance in tax is,quite frankly disgusting.

spank_inferno · 28-10-2013 07:09PM

I will wager my mortgage it was a FF government that brought this in.

spank_inferno · 28-10-2013 07:12PM

D1976 wrote: »

You're first post on boards.ie for that it's €7.70 a week who cares. I'd be more annoyed by this

http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-expenses-2012-779113-Feb2013/

Independent TD for Kerry South, Michael Healy-Rae, is the next highest claimant at €62,806 – though again, he is the only TD who lives between 330km and 360km from Leinster House.

This "whataboutety" is a weak defense of any pork-barrel spending people wish to ignore.

snubbleste · 28-10-2013 07:20PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

I will wager my mortgage it was a FF government that brought this in.

I'm pretty sure it was a Fine Gael–Labour Party government in early 1977
How much is your mortgage?

spank_inferno · 28-10-2013 07:23PM

snubbleste wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it was a Fine Gael–Labour Party government in early 1977
How much is your mortgage?

Aha!....

Its paying for a house now 1/3 the value of the mortgage!

I'll mail you the keys!

snubbleste · 28-10-2013 07:25PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Aha!....
Its paying for a house now 1/3 the value of the mortgage!
I'll mail you the keys!

In that case, I'm most uncertain of which party introduced the LAA.

Idbatterim · 28-10-2013 10:06PM

THE IRISH ASSOCIATION of Funeral Directors (IAFD) has branded as “disgusting” today’s scrapping of the bereavement grant for families to cover funeral costs.
The Bereavement Grant is a one-off payment of €850 made available on the death of a family member. Eligibility is not related to an ability to pay for the funeral but is based on PRSI contributions, meaning it is payable to the vast majority of citizens.
Graham Gleasure of the IAFD has said that they will be talking to the Government with the hope of persuading them to reverse their decision to scrap the payment.

Disgusting, the same as their price gouging, I can only imagine the cartel like way in which they operate...

http://www.thejournal.ie/bereavement-grant-cut-1130026-Oct2013/

Flex · 28-10-2013 10:28PM

chopper6 wrote: »

Hopefully.

It used to be called a Moral Conscience...and the idea of begrudging a grieving spouse a grand a month when companies like Google are paying the country a ****ing pittance in tax is,quite frankly disgusting.

"keep all the welfare benefits and so on, but make sure someone else pays for them"

166man · 28-10-2013 10:45PM

woodoo wrote: »

9 to 6 is factory hours. Most private sector office jobs i know are 9 to 5 with an hour for lunch (which is a 35 hr week). The public service are now doing a 37 hour week. I would be hoping that when things get back to normality in the country, that the unions start pushing to get back to the 35 hour week as a priority.

Care to explain why?

Mr. teddywinkles · 29-10-2013 09:50AM

kceire wrote: »

Cheques are cashed in banks. Banks = private sector.
Don't think the PS do 35 hours anymore, more like the standard 35-39 excluding lunches.

My brother works for a large MNC. He travels around for work. They pay him over night stays etc if he is working outside of Dublin. When he has work in Meath, Wicklow or any other surrounding county he gets 127e and that's meant to pay for a room for the night and an evening meal. He just pockets it and drives down a bit earlier in the morning.

My mate works for a drinks company. They get an internal wallet that allows them free drink every month. He comes home with trays or orange, monster, mi-wadi every week!

Don't hear too much about perks anymore as people are afraid to openly talk about them with the way spitefullness has gone in our country since the recession hit.

again don't see how this has anything to do with the taxpayer

srsly78 · 29-10-2013 09:53AM

Because his mate is dodging taxes by creaming expenses. From what kceire has outlined the unvouched expenses his mate is claiming are way over the allowable figures. It won't stand up to audit and his mate/employer will have to pay it all back with interest and penalties.

I claim similar expenses when I fly abroad, the other guy claims the same for a short trip up the road. I got plane tickets to back me up at audit, the other guy has nothing!

When you read about the Revenue cracking down on travel+subsistence the shenanigans outlined above are exactly what they are referring to.

Katya · 29-10-2013 10:13AM

Subsidised childcare for NON working families. It's €55 per week in my local childcare facility 8-5. I can't see the rational for this without a requirement to work at least a few hours per week. I'd love to see the p60 of a family getting this allowance plus rent allowance plus the normal payments.

Idbatterim · 29-10-2013 10:56AM

Why the hell if they arent working, are they getting subsidized childcare?

antoobrien · 29-10-2013 11:05AM

D1976 wrote: »

I'd be more annoyed by this

http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-expenses-2012-779113-Feb2013/

Independent TD for Kerry South, Michael Healy-Rae, is the next highest claimant at €62,806 – though again, he is the only TD who lives between 330km and 360km from Leinster House.

D1976, you shouldn't be annoyed by this at all as he's in line with other TDs that are from large constituencies that are a long way from Dublin. I'd be more worried that someone representing somewhere as small (relatively) and as near to Leinster House as Kildare South is only 9k behind him (see the spreadsheet attached to the article, Martin Heydon claimed 53,806).

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

There is also accommodation to consider, but this is clearly taking advantage of a system that is probably not regulated at all. Are they made hand in receipts I wonder?

Labour minister Ruairi Quinn changed from the unvouched system to the vouched model for January – only to move back from February onwards, after realising that the vouched model would cost taxpayers slightly more.

Scortho · 29-10-2013 11:22AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Why the hell if they arent working, are they getting subsidized childcare?

So they can go out and find jobs.
Then when they get a job start paying tax etc. They somehow have to find money to pay childcare.
Unless it's seriously well paid, their probably better off not working.
Yay ireland.

draiochtanois · 29-10-2013 11:29AM

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Geuze · 29-10-2013 12:11PM

Total Exceptional Needs Payments = 62m in 2011

Adult clothing = 7m

Prams/buggies = 1m

and so on..............

See table C18 here:

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Annual-SWS-Statistical-Information-Report---2012.aspx

PDF here:

http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Social%20Stats%20AR%202012_Section%20C.pdf

NB: I don't think all of these are "crazy".

I just want to clarify that they do exist.

Some people keep arguing that grants are not paid for "buggies/prams", etc.

They are, and the DSP publish the details. See attached.

Crazy allowances or perks

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