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  • 28-10-2013 07:34PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭


    after reading this its pretty clear humans were not meant to have a large amount of meat in our diets. I normally laugh at the idea of vegeterianism but after reading this its certainly food for thought about reducing meat in your diet by alot, not to the extreme like vegeterians or vegans though, just reducing meat intake by alot not eliminating it completely though




    The Natural Human Diet

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    When you see dead animals on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop and snack on them? Does the sight of a dead bird make you salivate? Do you daydream about killing cows with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to these questions, congratulations—like it or not, you're an herbivore.

    According to biologists and anthropologists who study our anatomy and our evolutionary history, humans are herbivores who are not well suited to eating meat. Humans lack both the physical characteristics of carnivores and the instinct that drives them to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses.

    HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY

    Although many humans choose to eat a wide variety of plant and animal foods, earning us the dubious title of "omnivore," we are anatomically herbivorous.

    TEETH, JAWS, AND NAILS

    Humans have short, soft fingernails and pathetically small "canine" teeth. In contrast, carnivores all have sharp claws and large canine teeth capable of tearing flesh.

    Carnivores' jaws move only up and down, requiring them to tear chunks of flesh from their prey and swallow them whole. Humans and other herbivores can move their jaws up and down and from side to side, allowing them to grind up fruit and vegetables with their back teeth. Like other herbivores' teeth, human back molars are flat for grinding fibrous plant foods. Carnivores lack these flat molars.

    Dr. Richard Leakey, a renowned anthropologist, summarizes, "You can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don't have large canine teeth, and we wouldn't have been able to deal with food sources that require those large canines."

    STOMACH ACIDITY

    Carnivores swallow their food whole, relying on their extremely acidic stomach juices to break down flesh and kill the dangerous bacteria in meat that would otherwise sicken or kill them. Our stomach acids are much weaker in comparison because strong acids aren't needed to digest pre-chewed fruits and vegetables.

    INTESTINAL LENGTH

    Carnivores have short intestinal tracts and colons that allow meat to pass through the animal relatively quickly, before it can rot and cause illness. Humans' intestinal tracts are much longer than those of carnivores of comparable size. Longer intestines allow the body more time to break down fiber and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods, but they make it dangerous for humans to eat meat. The bacteria in meat have extra time to multiply during the long trip through the digestive system, increasing the risk of food poisoning. Meat actually begins to rot while it makes its way through human intestines, which increases the risk of colon cancer.

    Read author John Robbins' discussion of the anatomical differences between humans and carnivores or review Dr. Milton Mills' entire article on the topic to learn more.

    HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY

    Humans also lack the instinct that drives carnivores to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses. While carnivores take pleasure in killing animals and eating their raw flesh, any human who killed an animal with his or her bare hands and ate the raw corpse would be considered deranged. Carnivorous animals are excited by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of blood, intestines and raw flesh, and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, another indication that we were not designed to eat meat.

    IF WE WERE MEANT TO EAT MEAT, WHY IS IT KILLING US?

    Carnivorous animals in the wild virtually never suffer from heart disease, cancer, diabetes, strokes, or obesity, ailments that are caused in humans in large part by the consumption of the saturated fat and cholesterol in meat.

    FAT AND CHOLESTEROL

    Studies have shown that even when fed 200 times the amount of animal fat and cholesterol that the average human consumes each day, carnivores do not develop the hardening of the arteries that leads to heart disease and strokes in humans. Researchers have actually found that it is impossible for carnivores to develop hardening of the arteries, no matter how much animal fat they consume.

    Human bodies, on the other hand, were not designed to process animal flesh, so all the excess fat and cholesterol from a meat-based diet makes us sick. Heart disease, for example, is the number one killer in America according to the American Heart Association, and medical experts agree that this ailment is largely the result of the consumption of animal products. Meat-eaters have a 50 percent higher risk of developing heart disease than vegetarians!

    EXCESS PROTEIN

    We consume twice as much protein as we need when we eat a meat-based diet, and this contributes to osteoporosis and kidney stones. Animal protein raises the acid level in our blood, causing calcium to be excreted from the bones to restore the blood's natural pH balance. This calcium depletion leads to osteoporosis, and the excreted calcium ends up in the kidneys, where it can form kidney stones or even trigger kidney disease.

    Consuming animal protein has also been linked to cancer of the colon, breast, prostate, and pancreas. According to Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the director of the Cornell-China-Oxford Project on Nutrition, Health, and the Environment, "In the next ten years, one of the things you're bound to hear is that animal protein … is one of the most toxic nutrients of all that can be considered."

    Eating meat can also have negative consequences for stamina and sexual potency. One Danish study indicated that "Men peddling on a stationary bicycle until muscle failure lasted an average of 114 minutes on a mixed meat and vegetable diet, 57 minutes on a high-meat diet, and a whopping 167 minutes on a strict vegetarian diet."9 Besides having increased physical endurance, vegan men are also less likely to suffer from impotence.

    FOOD POISONING

    Since we don't have strong stomach acids like carnivores to kill all the bacteria in meat, dining on animal flesh can also give us food poisoning. According to the USDA, meat is the cause of 70 percent of foodborne illnesses in the United States because it's often contaminated with dangerous bacteria like E. coli, listeria, and campylobacter. Every year in the United States alone, food poisoning sickens over 75 million people and kills more than 5,000.

    Dr. William C. Roberts, M.D., editor of the authoritative American Journal of Cardiology, sums it up this way: "[A]lthough we think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores." Learn more about how meat damages human health.

    HUMAN EVOLUTION AND THE RISE OF MEAT-HEAVY DIETS

    If it's so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors sometimes turn to flesh for sustenance?

    http://www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/the-natural-human-diet.aspx


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭pharmaton


    get a blog ffs :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    We don't need long nails and teeth, we have victorinox :p

    Also, moderation ftw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    But meat is delicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    I just noticed Peta wrote that :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭.Henry Sellers.


    Load of propaganda bollix.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Well PETA are hardly going to tell us all to eat meat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    Load of propaganda bollix.

    hard to argue with though, makes alot of sense when you read through it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Pandas made the change in the other direction - from carnivorous to herbivirous. And now look at them: munching bamboo all day long for divil a bit of sustenance, way too busy chewing to bother with reproducing and continuing their boring, monochrome existence as a species. Eejits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    It sounded like something from a vegetarian. Its from PETA, at least I could listen to a vegetarian's opinion and just agree to disagree. PETA's opinion is about on the same level as the westboro baptist church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭sok2005


    Muise... wrote: »
    Pandas made the change in the other direction - from carnivorous to herbivirous. And now look at them: munching bamboo all day long for divil a bit of sustenance, way too busy chewing to bother with reproducing and continuing their boring, monochrome existence as a species. Eejits.

    You can say what you like about PETA but leave pandas out of this! They are adorable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    We started out as carnivors....

    ... We continue as such.

    Not food for thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    sok2005 wrote: »
    You can say what you like about PETA but leave pandas out of this! They are adorable.

    meh, inefficient emo-bears. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    Although many humans choose to eat a wide variety of plant and animal foods, earning us the dubious title of "omnivore," we are anatomically herbivorous

    This is wrong. Therefore the whole argument is fundamentally wrong, as it is based on this point. We are not anatomically herbivorous. We are anatomically omnivorous.

    1. We have hydrochloric acid in our stomachs - herbivores do not.
    2. We don't have cellulase (which breaks down plants) - herbivores do.
    3. We have canines - herbivores do not.

    We are similar to other omnivores such as bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, humans and orangutans. Therefore we thrive on a diet consisting of both plants & meat.

    Biggest load of b*llsh*t I've read in a long time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Rabbo


    If we weren't supposed to eat meat, we wouldn't find it so palatable nor would we require so much protein to remain healthy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    It sounded like something from a vegetarian. Its from PETA, at least I could listen to a vegetarian's opinion and just agree to disagree. PETA's opinion is about on the same level as the westboro baptist church.

    is the info in it factually wrong though thats the point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'll read that link when I finish my steak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭gw80


    peta propaganda, humans do get a thrill out of hunting, fishing and ultimatley killing,im no antrapologist but have there ever been a group or tribe of human beings that have not ate some form of meat or fish in their diet?

    we could probably do with reducing the amount alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭sok2005


    Muise... wrote: »
    meh, inefficient emo-bears. :D

    :D You wouldn't pass up on a cuddle from this though. http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-50d6f47d1d5fa.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    If we weren't meant to digest meat then why can we digest meat?

    I'm going off for a ham sandwich.

    /thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Magnetics


    Here's a few very interesting documentaries on this:

    Forks over knives, Food Matters and Fat sick& nearly dead

    Eye openers to say the least


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    IM0 wrote: »
    after reading this its pretty clear humans were not meant to have a large amount of meat in our diets.
    That statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense seeing as we do eat meat and have done since before we were humans. Would the same people go back and tell neanderthals that they weren't meat eaters?

    The whole reason humans could travel all over the globe is because they are meat eaters, eating vegetation can be dangerous and it's nutritional value not always immediately obvious (grains) but we always knew we can eat whatever animal we come across.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭thecatspjs


    A lot of that makes sense to me, but I don't have the relevant expertise in the area of human biology to question any parts of it properly. I certainly do think that a large amount of people eat too much meat instead of vegetables/nuts etc.
    I personally reckon it's more about balance than cutting meat out. As the OP said, eat less meat and replace it with the stuff you should be munching on anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Magnetics wrote: »
    Here's a few very interesting documentaries on this:

    Fat sick & nearly dead

    Sunday morning material right there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    Basically meat shouldn't be the main portion of our dinner, it should be a side portion. I wouldn't cut it out altogether. "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." - Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food.

    Of course PETA are gonna convince you to not eat meat for their own agenda. You should eat less meat for your own benefit though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    it helps when making points to see if the point youre arguing is not already covered and beaten in the link ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Magnetics


    Rabbo wrote: »
    If we weren't supposed to eat meat, we wouldn't find it so palatable nor would we require so much protein to remain healthy.

    Sure loads of things we find palatable are absolutely terrible for us

    On the protein issue, we can get a very high percentage of it from fruit and veg. Meat is not the only good source of protein


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    sok2005 wrote: »
    :D You wouldn't pass up on a cuddle from this though. http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-50d6f47d1d5fa.gif

    selfish little goth cub won't give me back my ball. :mad: :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭sok2005


    rawn wrote: »
    Of course PETA are gonna convince you to not eat meat for their own agenda.


    Does PETA get a euro each time someone refuses meat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Magnetics wrote: »
    On the protein issue, we can get a very high percentage of it from fruit and veg.

    Examples?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    I agree. Raw meat is awful, and probably bad for you. That is why God invented cookers and barbecues. Mmmm. Ribs.


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