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Dacia Duster

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  • #872
    Ded_Zebra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    christ, what a statement and mindset .....:(..if you were in ICU sometime fighting for your life after being T-Boned by an artic or some other dreadfull circumstance (which I hope you or anyone never have), you'd be glad of a couple more NCAP stars.......

    AFAIK It only scores 3 stars because of the fact that it doesn't have stability or traction control. It scored very well in crash safety.


  • #873
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    christ, what a statement and mindset .....:(..if you were in ICU sometime fighting for your life after being T-Boned by an artic or some other dreadfull circumstance (which I hope you or anyone never have), you'd be glad of a couple more NCAP stars.......
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    It seems it has to be said that often because a lot of people just ignore it anyway.
    And once more:
    AFAIK It only scores 3 stars because of the fact that it doesn't have stability or traction control. It scored very well in crash safety.

    This MEANS that it seems to crash just fine, but got deducted some points because it doesn't have some computer trickery system that you will need in a Lambo, but in the average econo box will probably never be troubled.

    So, go it? If no, I am open to questions, I'll type slow, so no one gets left behind


  • #874
    Dord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,815 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    In fairness, it makes a big difference in AVOIDING crashes. NCAP are looking at that even more so recently. It's fair enough a car doing well in a crash but the ideal is not having that crash at all.



  • #875
    Ded_Zebra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    Dord wrote: »
    In fairness, it makes a big difference in AVOIDING crashes. NCAP are looking at that even more so recently. It's fair enough a car doing well in a crash but the ideal is not having that crash at all.


    This is very true and a thing that people very seldom consider when talking about the safety of a car. Personally I would consider a car that is very nimble but have no airbags to be a safer car than a lot of cars with all kinds of airbags etc coming from everywhere. Traction control and stability control add very little to the safety of a car IMO in comparison to ABS. ABS hugely improves avoiding crashes.


  • #876
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    Ded_Zebra wrote: »
    ABS hugely improves avoiding crashes.


    Side note but not always true. Try ABS on a downhill section of raod thats got a lose surface or snow and see how good it is at avoiding accidents.

    Here's a very basic example of why ABS is not always great.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDC6pO26ZY


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  • #877
    Ded_Zebra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Side note but not always true. Try ABS on a downhill section of raod thats got a lose surface or snow and see how good it is at avoiding accidents.

    Here's a very basic example of why ABS is not always great.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDC6pO26ZY

    Yep you're right. Been there done that and thankfully there wasn't a big mess (or any mess) but in the vast majority of situations it is excellent. In those situations too traction control and stability control will do nothing either.


  • #878
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    Ded_Zebra wrote: »
    Yep you're right. Been there done that and thankfully there wasn't a big mess (or any mess) but in the vast majority of situations it is excellent. In those situations too traction control and stability control will do nothing either.

    They'll actually add to your woes, working counter intuitive to your natural ability if you're in any way a decent driver. Where these aids work best is when morons put themsleves in situations that they either have no idea of the danger or have no hope of getting out of the same situation.

    Unfortunate part of modern life that we have to respect the lowest common donominator too much and that its given far too much credence. Fact is the road is full of Mongs, people who shiote themselves that a car doesnt have ESP but ironically dont know what it does or when it works.


    My favorite quote when you ask someone what ABS does! "It makes you stop quicker" is what you usually get. Says it all really. Dimnuts, please stay off the road. Then we'll be safe :D


  • #879
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    christ, what a statement and mindset .....:(..if you were in ICU sometime fighting for your life after being T-Boned by an artic or some other dreadfull circumstance (which I hope you or anyone never have), you'd be glad of a couple more NCAP stars.......

    * ncap used to be a bit wobbly - loads would fail it if the test speed went up by just a little bit


  • #880
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    Now lets have a look at two 5 Star cars hitting each other head on. Makes no difference, you're better off in the bigger car.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVF1Wr7GLQ

    And finally, did anybody here ever actually peruse the NCAP website. There's a hell of a lot of recent if not brand new cars that lack the ultimate 5 star awards. Why! Well back in 2002 NCAP decided you'd get an extra star for fitting a seat belt warning beep. Car is still as safe only it beeps at you. Aint that great :P


  • #881
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50





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  • #882
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    If you crash at 200 km/h, no technical wizardry is gonna save yo ass! :D
    As for all the do-dah's, as I said before it's to accommodate the "modern" driver, who will stomp on the brakes, yank the wheel, close his/her eyes and pray.
    ABS doesn't make the car stop quicker, it prevents the wheels from locking up, so the car can still be controlled under heavy braking.
    Before that you had to hop on the brakes and, when faced with a crash, release the brakes, steer around the obstacle and jam on again. Worked for me on two occasions.
    The problem could be that people become so brainless and conditioned that they will be a danger to themselves and others when driving a car without all the toys.
    Finland has got it right, people there get trained to handle a car on the limit, the same should apply everywhere instead of training people to become morons behind the wheel and drive everywhere at 60 km/h.
    The new road safety message seems to be "people are morons, let's slow them down"


  • #883
    furtzy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭furtzy


    I've gone from driving a 5 series on Nankangs to a Duster.....according to some boardsies I should be dead several times over :D


  • #884
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    It seems it has to be said that often because a lot of people just ignore it anyway.
    And once more:
    AFAIK It only scores 3 stars because of the fact that it doesn't have stability or traction control. It scored very well in crash safety.

    This MEANS that it seems to crash just fine, but got deducted some points because it doesn't have some computer trickery system that you will need in a Lambo, but in the average econo box will probably never be troubled.

    So, go it? If no, I am open to questions, I'll type slow, so no one gets left behind


    yes, and to have to repeatedly come on line and defend the fact that this cheap ass badly made plasticy tinny and now troublesome rusty car on stilts is devoid of essential safety equipment in this day and age, but its ok, they crash just fine.......LOL and also to be condescending (in you last sentence) does not look well......a lot like the duster to be fair..........:)
    ...Basically having an attitude of patronizing superiority in your reply about this yoke, whilst you own and drive one, is an irony in itself.

    but each to his/her own....


  • #885
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,328 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Jus wondering MidlandsM, do you ever talk people out of buying cars/vans that wouldn't get a 5 star rating on the new NCAP test?


  • #886
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Jus wondering MidlandsM, do you ever talk people out of buying cars/vans that wouldn't get a 5 star rating on the new NCAP test?


    wonder away ... thats a stupid question designed as some sort of lame "lure" to which i'll not bite because we're talking about people here spending their own money on a family vehicle (the same way as I and my partner looked and test drove a duster as a potential family vehicle but we discounted it)........but try harder next time :D


  • #887
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,328 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    You seem very passionate about the ncap, I was curious to see if that passion extended beyond this thread that's all.


  • #888
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    You seem very passionate about the ncap, I was curious to see if that passion extended beyond this thread that's all.

    no no, I deem your off topic post as a thinly veiled attempt to personalise my thoughts on this suv and its lack of safety credentials.


  • #889
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,734 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Ded_Zebra wrote: »
    Yep you're right. Been there done that and thankfully there wasn't a big mess (or any mess) but in the vast majority of situations it is excellent. In those situations too traction control and stability control will do nothing either.

    You should try it on a downhill junction on a crap surface. On a motorbike. Just when you think the bike is about to stop before the stop line.... ABS kicks in, releases caliper and you roll out into a lane of traffic. That'll wake you up believe me.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #890
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Jus wondering MidlandsM, do you ever talk people out of buying cars/vans that wouldn't get a 5 star rating on the new NCAP test?
    MidlandsM wrote: »
    wonder away ... thats a stupid question designed as some sort of lame "lure" to which i'll not bite because we're talking about people here spending their own money on a family vehicle (the same way as I and my partner looked and test drove a duster as a potential family vehicle but we discounted it)........but try harder next time :D
    colm_mcm wrote: »
    You seem very passionate about the ncap, I was curious to see if that passion extended beyond this thread that's all.
    MidlandsM wrote: »
    no no, I deem your off topic post as a thinly veiled attempt to personalise my thoughts on this suv and its lack of safety credentials.

    So that's a "no" then to the question of any craps given about the NCAP outside this thread... :p
    Seriously, you should see someone about your irrational hatred of the Duster, is there some childhood trauma?
    Maybe a Duster came back in time and stole your ice cream?:cool:
    I don't drive one (CMax and MX5), but would consider one, but leaning towards a Yeti.
    Also: The MX5 doesn't even have ABS, let alone any other trickery. As for crashing it? I don't even want to know. Would i swap it for a 100% safe, beige, Econobox? No way!

    BTW:
    I hope the cars you currently own have ABS, ESP, radar guided cruise control and emergency braking, we wouldn't want yo to be unsafe.:pac:


  • #891
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    Can I just say, I hope they are a BLINDING little SUV, and reliable for all who ordered one, and are considering them.....because if they are, I'll get a few out of the uk, and flog them here for a killing! lol

    So far so good, appears to be the feedback from proud owners who bought them.

    Are you still interested in bringing in some from UK?

    I was in Spain recently , the Duster seems to be quite popular in the Hire Fleets.


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  • #892
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    delthedriver wrote: »
    So far so good, appears to be the feedback from proud owners who bought them.

    Are you still interested in bringing in some from UK?

    I was in Spain recently , the Duster seems to be quite popular in the Hire Fleets.

    sure, I'm a business man, and a sales whore - the yokes will be like any commodity to me, so long as there is enough clobs to buy them (and there will be as some people always buy cheap stuff) and for a wedge for me. :D


  • #893
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    sure, I'm a business man, and a sales whore - the yokes will be like any commodity to me, so long as there is enough clobs to buy them (and there will be as some people always buy cheap stuff) and for a wedge for me. :D

    Interesting comment MidlandsM.

    So then the 3* NCAP rating is not really an issue? Or is it?:confused:


  • #894
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    sure, I'm a business man, and a sales whore - the yokes will be like any commodity to me, so long as there is enough clobs to buy them (and there will be as some people always buy cheap stuff) and for a wedge for me. :D

    Always good to see someone taking genuine pride in their trade!


  • #895
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Finland has got it right, people there get trained to handle a car on the limit, the same should apply everywhere instead of training people to become morons behind the wheel and drive everywhere at 60 km/h.
    The new road safety message seems to be "people are morons, let's slow them down"

    Yes but you see even the best trained driver may not be able to avoid the accident and so the faster you go the stronger the G forces and the higher the risk of internal organ damage.

    I wonder would this be the same as if two cars travelling at 60 mph hit each other ?

    Makes me wonder why some muppets will not move into the shoulder when some idiot is overtaking coming towards them, one or two of my family members don't move and have the attitude that he's in the wrong and my attitude is next time you do that with me in the car you'll know about it !


  • #896
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes but you see even the best trained driver may not be able to avoid the accident and so the faster you go the stronger the G forces and the higher the risk of internal organ damage.

    I wonder would this be the same as if two cars travelling at 60 mph hit each other ?

    Makes me wonder why some muppets will not move into the shoulder when some idiot is overtaking coming towards them, one or two of my family members don't move and have the attitude that he's in the wrong and my attitude is next time you do that with me in the car you'll know about it !

    It won't be different than hitting a wall at that speed (not that that is any help at that speed), you have twice the kinetic energy, but twice the mass, leading to pretty much the same result, if I read you correctly.


  • #897
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Always good to see someone taking genuine pride in their trade!

    Would you buy a Duster or any other car from that source ? A businessman with total disrespect for his customers other than screwing them over.

    Don't think that type of business has customers , buyers perhaps, but not repeat buyers known in the business world as customers.

    Buyer beware.


  • #898
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Would you buy a Duster or any other car from that source ? A businessman with total disrespect for his customers other than screwing them over.

    Don't think that type of business has customers , buyers perhaps, but not repeat buyers known in the business world as customers.

    Buyer beware.


    ahhh here, thats uncalled for and untrue, because you don't even know me or my business. How would I screw over a customer by selling them a duster? I've never screwed anyone over on any vehicle....never. My business is legit, I'm a registered dealer, vat reg'd and trade openly and offer finance, warranty on a range of cars and vans......how dare you suggest otherwise.:mad:

    if there are people or ejits or clobs or clowns ignorant enough to buy any vehicle no matter how cheap and nasty it is in my eyes or any sales persons eyes, how would I screw anyone over when the vehicle I supply is checked, vetted, inspected, serviced, vrt'd, nct'd if required (old enough) and I stand over my sale with a warranty like I always do. An suv like any other is a commodity, a marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs - nothing more, nothing less....and my job is to fulfill that need and to carve out a living at the same time, but it seem you begrudge me a living too.......:rolleyes:

    How dare you cast a derogatory slur on me and my business........:(.


  • #899
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    ahhh here, thats uncalled for and untrue, because you don't even know me or my business. How would I screw over a customer by selling them a duster? I've never screwed anyone over on any vehicle....never. My business is legit, I'm a registered dealer, vat reg'd and trade openly and offer finance, warranty on a range of cars and vans......how dare you suggest otherwise.:mad:

    if there are people or ejits or clobs or clowns ignorant enough to buy any vehicle no matter how cheap and nasty it is in my eyes or any sales persons eyes, how would I screw anyone over when the vehicle I supply is checked, vetted, inspected, serviced, vrt'd, nct'd if required (old enough) and I stand over my sale with a warranty like I always do. An suv like any other is a commodity, a marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs - nothing more, nothing less....and my job is to fulfill that need and to carve out a living at the same time, but it seem you begrudge me a living too.......:rolleyes:

    How dare you cast a derogatory slur on me and my business........:(.

    Thank you for your PM & for clarifying your position.
    I note you have also replaced the word "cretinous" with "derogatory".
    Good Night:)


  • #900
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Thank you for your PM & for clarifying your position.
    I note you have also replaced the word "cretinous" with "derogatory".
    Good Night:)

    On reflection, I probably should'nt have because cretinious does describe more accurately your vile attack on me and my business.


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  • #901
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Who'd a thought a budget MPV could stir up such passion? :eek:


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