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IM building an extention. how do i tie into .....,

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  • #32
    archtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    yoloc wrote: »
    What would you suggest doing for movement control. This cottage is sitting on good solid groundso cant see much problems with movement. I know every building moves but the better the ground, isnt it less movement.
    Talk to a structural engineer he'll be able to advise you all you want to know.


  • #33
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Safehands


    yoloc wrote: »
    What would you suggest doing for movement control. This cottage is sitting on good solid groundso cant see much problems with movement. I know every building moves but the better the ground, isnt it less movement.
    Once you have sound foundations and the building is well tied I would not worry too much. You could use a lime based render rather than sand / cement across the joint. That allows for small movement


  • #34
    yoloc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    archtech wrote: »
    Talk to a structural engineer he'll be able to advise you all you want to know.



    Are ya nuts! sure them people just spout to much technical ****e for my liking, that and the fact they charge to much.

    Mod: Banned


  • #35
    yoloc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    Safehands wrote: »
    Once you have sound foundations and the building is well tied I would not worry too much. You could use a lime based render rather than sand / cement across the joint. That allows for small movement


    Thanks ;)


  • #36
    martinn123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭martinn123


    yoloc wrote: »
    What would you suggest doing for movement control. This cottage is sitting on good solid groundso cant see much problems with movement. I know every building moves but the better the ground, isnt it less movement.
    archtech wrote:
    Talk to a structural engineer he'll be able to advise you all you want to know.
    yoloc wrote:
    Are ya nuts! sure them people just spout to much technical ****e for my liking, that and the fact they charge to much.


    And here was I thinking you were looking for. Some technical ****e information.


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  • #37
    yoloc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    martinn123 wrote: »
    And here was I thinking you were looking for. Some technical ****e information.


    Let me put things into perspective for you here. Were talking about a 3 roomed 1950s cottage with a hipped roof. Theres an extention going on the back of it with another 3 rooms. Do you think im going to tell these people to go and waste money on someone to tell them what to do when i can get the answer on the internet. We are talking about a 3 roomed extention, not a new house or even a 2 story extention. Worst case senario, a few cracks appear where the extention meets the old cottage but in saying that, there wont be any cracks because now i know what needs done ;)


  • #38
    martinn123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭martinn123


    yoloc wrote:
    Do you think im going to tell these people to go and waste money on someone to tell them what to do when i can get the answer on the internet.

    'Nuff said, best of luck.


  • #39
    yoloc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    martinn123 wrote: »
    'Nuff said, best of luck.



    Would you agree with me that i asked a question on the internet, ok, you will

    Right, would you agree with me that i got a valid answer to that question on the internet. Yes again you will agree.


    Nuff said ;)


  • #40
    martinn123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭martinn123


    yoloc wrote: »
    Would you agree with me that i asked a question on the internet, ok, you will

    Right, would you agree with me that i got a valid answer to that question on the internet. Yes again you will agree.


    Nuff said ;)

    Yep, the Internet is the place to go OK, for anonymous advice, on situations, the adviser has not seen.
    And when you post some clarifications late in the thread, that really helps.
    So as I said, best of luck, especially to your customer


    No offence @safehands.


  • #41
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    yoloc wrote: »
    Would you agree with me that i asked a question on the internet, ok, you will

    Right, would you agree with me that i got a valid answer to that question on the internet. Yes again you will agree.


    Nuff said ;)

    Excellent, when the wall collapse's, the owners came come on here and claim through the Boards.ie structural Insurance bond :pac:


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  • #42
    blockie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭blockie


    just make sure you run the consaw up inside the inner face of the outer leaf on existing wall in the full 4 inches and bed in a 6 inch damp 10 mm bars drilled in every second course will be fine as once they are built in the only issue is side to side movement and this cant occur when built in also put in youre expansion joint first and build tight against it ,it will be fine we have hundereths of these done its not an issue ,best of luck


  • #43
    wirehairmax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭wirehairmax


    We shouldnt entertain this chancer any more. Whoevers modding this thread is asleep at the wheel. This joker is looking for free structural advice and has the manners of a pig. God help whoever owns the property he's working on. The guys an idiot know-it-all who cant take the advice being given except what he wants to hear to suit himself.
    Can a stop be put to this nonsense please?


  • #44
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,870 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    wirehairmax wrote: »
    Whoevers modding this thread is asleep at the wheel.
    yoloc wrote: »
    Are ya nuts! sure them people just spout to much technical ****e for my liking, that and the fact they charge to much.

    Mod: Banned

    I banned him last night.

    Please report posts in future rather than complaining about them not being actioned on-thread.


  • #45
    Fracking Cylon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Fracking Cylon


    wirehairmax wrote: »
    We shouldnt entertain this chancer any more. Whoevers modding this thread is asleep at the wheel. This joker is looking for free structural advice and has the manners of a pig. God help whoever owns the property he's working on. The guys an idiot know-it-all who cant take the advice being given except what he wants to hear to suit himself.
    Can a stop be put to this nonsense please?
    Agreed, if I told him I was a qualified engineer and swore that putting old newspaper under all the walls, would he try that too. I pity the client who hired him with that attitude. This forum is great for getting ideas and advice on what to look out for etc, but as for using this as a substitute for an actual engineer is crazy.


  • #46
    wirehairmax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭wirehairmax


    Penn wrote: »
    I banned him last night.

    Please report posts in future rather than complaining about them not being actioned on-thread.

    Fair enough


  • #47
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Safehands


    yoloc wrote: »
    Are ya nuts! sure them people just spout to much technical ****e for my liking, that and the fact they charge to much.

    This is a technical issue. It is ALWAYS a good idea to consult a structural engineer when building an extension, even if it is only a brief meeting to make sure you are not missing some small item, or to verify what you learned on the net. It does not have to cost a lot, but mistakes can be very costly, so be careful.


  • #48
    blockie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭blockie


    i agree,totally correct


  • #49
    gman2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    I've used ancon products before for tie in works
    http://www.ancon.co.uk/products/wall-ties-and-restraint-fixings/wall-starter-systems
    With the junction between new and old as a longitudinal expansion joint.
    Structural engineers advice always needed however....


  • #50
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭cerastes


    Safehands wrote: »
    This is a technical issue. It is ALWAYS a good idea to consult a structural engineer when building an extension, even if it is only a brief meeting to make sure you are not missing some small item, or to verify what you learned on the net. It does not have to cost a lot, but mistakes can be very costly, so be careful.

    I keep hearing this description being used, is structural engineer, an actual qualification, I thought a draughtsman would be able to do up the drawings and would specify the kind of strengthening if it was needed, architect seems a bit too much for just an attic conversion.
    Someone I know has told me they are considering getting an attic conversion done, I've recommended they get it done right or it might cost more to put right than it cost to do, insurance might not be valid etc, but I'm not sure who to direct them to about getting that kind of professional advice.
    They got a few builders for quotes, not sure where, but they never returned. I've heard there are specialist companies that do attic conversions, but again, not sure what makes them specialist? some could be good, others might not.


  • #51
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    cerastes wrote: »
    I keep hearing this description being used, is structural engineer, an actual qualification....

    Yes.


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  • #52
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Safehands


    cerastes wrote: »
    I keep hearing this description being used, is structural engineer, an actual qualification, I thought a draughtsman would be able to do up the drawings and would specify the kind of strengthening if it was needed, architect seems a bit too much for just an attic conversion.
    Someone I know has told me they are considering getting an attic conversion done, I've recommended they get it done right or it might cost more to put right than it cost to do, insurance might not be valid etc, but I'm not sure who to direct them to about getting that kind of professional advice.
    They got a few builders for quotes, not sure where, but they never returned. I've heard there are specialist companies that do attic conversions, but again, not sure what makes them specialist? some could be good, others might not.

    This posting is quite important. There are a lot of people who do not realise what the various specialists within the construction industry actually do.
    Putting up a building may seem quite basic and quite often it is. There are various forces and stresses which can make a building quite unstable, even a small extension to a house can be adversely affected by the type of ground on which it is built. An engineer can carry out tests and calculate exactly how the building should be built, in order for it to be safe and free from subsidence or other potential problems. He or she can advise on the best materials to be used, to support the structure.
    A draughtsman can draw up plans, based on the information he or she is given by an architect or an engineer.

    In truth most people get away with building without employing a professional advisor. This can quite often be luck rather than a sensible course of action.

    Good building companies usually employ engineers to advise them, because they know their limitations, as should the person who is paying for the structure to be built.


  • #53
    yoloc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    kceire wrote: »
    Excellent, when the wall collapse's, the owners came come on here and claim through the Boards.ie structural Insurance bond :pac:



    Wall collapse lol. If you knew the site like i do youd understand thats impossible lol.


  • #54
    scwazrh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Are you charging for this work that you intend to do?


  • #55
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,147 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    enough said on this matter, this thread has ran its course


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