Where you goin' city boy? - the off topic and chat thread

Khannie · 02-10-2013 11:09am

Interesting reading. That's a lot of passion.

Tabnabs · 02-10-2013 11:17am

It took a bit of finding, but here's the bio of the group

Oath Keepers is a non partisan association of currently serving military, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and not to any political party. In the long-standing tradition of the U.S. military, we are apolitical. We don’t care if unlawful orders come from a Democrat or a Republican, or if the violation is bi-partisan. We will not obey unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law. We won’t “just follow orders.” Our motto: “Not on Our Watch!” or to put it even more succinctly, in the words of 101st Airborne Commander General Anthony McAuliffe at the Battle of the Bulge, “NUTS!”

There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But many others do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution and to the people, and understand what that means.

The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers.

We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops.

Help us win it.

Dodgy ground for serving military personnel surely, could stray into the realm of treason?

Danpad · 02-10-2013 11:25am

This article from that website struck a chord with me as it's pretty much what I'll be planning to do (albeit not living there permanently).
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/09/28/the-epa-takes-an-ax-to-self-sufficiency-most-woodburning-stoves-will-soon-be-illegal/

It smacks of something our own 'govt' would dream up and use as yet another stealth tax.

Away from the bubble gum TV and the loud, flashing, gnawing perceptions of America and Americans we're force fed, there are decent, stand up Americans depicted on sites and within groups like this. I take my hat off to them and swear to jaysus Christ that when I hold the deeds to my land, me, my family and any like minded people who wish to join us for a stay, will be as free as birds.

wolfeye · 07-10-2013 2:51pm

Boozy feral pig who found fame after getting drunk on stolen beer and starting fight with innocent cow dies in car accident.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/boozy-feral-pig-who-found-fame-after-getting-drunk-on-stolen-beer-and-starting-a-fight-with-an-innocent-cow-dies-in-car-accident-29640071.html

R.I.P Swino

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wolfeye · 24-10-2013 9:03pm

A couple have been ordered to demolish their eco-home they built without planning permission as they tried to live the 'Good Life'

Daniel and Lora Newman put a two-bedroom wooden cabin in their field as they attempted to support themselves from the land.

But the couple from Cornwall did not apply for planning permission before building ,so were told to tear it down.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474874/Daniel-Lora-Newman-ordered-tear-home-built-permission.html

ShadowFox · 24-10-2013 9:27pm

wolfeye wrote: »

A couple have been ordered to demolish their eco-home they built without planning permission as they tried to live the 'Good Life'

Daniel and Lora Newman put a two-bedroom wooden cabin in their field as they attempted to support themselves from the land.

But the couple from Cornwall did not apply for planning permission before building ,so were told to tear it down.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474874/Daniel-Lora-Newman-ordered-tear-home-built-permission.html

They should have gone with mobile homes their not a fixed structure so you dont need planning permission

Tabnabs · 25-10-2013 9:17am

It was never going to work out though was it? Against council regulation and with no chance of gaining consent.

3/4 of an acre was also never going to give the self sufficiency though and that would probably have driven them out in the end anyway. Well that and a 330sq ft shed for four people. I know what my mrs would say...

wolfeye · 25-10-2013 10:27am

A log cabin on wheels the way to go!

http://www.buyandsell.ie/motors/mobile-homes/kildare/log-cabin-chalet-32x20-2-bedroom

Danpad · 25-10-2013 11:08am

I recently spoke to the planning dept of the county where I'm purchasing my 5 acre agricultural/wooded plot. I asked them for clarification on a few points. Here is what they told me: For a caravan or mobile home I would need planning permission, not only that, but I would also need architects plans of the caravan/mobile home detailing the layout and measurements and the same for the site where the unit would be positioned. I gulped at the prospects and the envisaged expenses. They then informed me that despite going to the effort of getting these plans to supplement an application and forking out lots of money to an architect the likelihood of being awarded permission for a caravan or mobile home was extremely low. I didn't even bother asking about a log cabin as I then knew what I'd be told.

So, not one for arguing politics over the phone and not in the mood to try and get the person to re-design the system into a utopian blue print that would fit my needs (I prefer to have such debates over a pint and a plate of dinner) I then hit them with the following questions:
"Does the permission to camp on agri land for 10 days mean 10 days per year? Or camp for 10 days, leave for a day and then return to begin a consecutive 10 days?"
The reply they gave was to inform me that "Nobody was going to prohibit me from camping on my own land as long as I didn't make it look like the Electric Picnic."
A little bit vague, I know, but a thaw in the ice at least.
I then upped the cheekiness a gear and asked. "Well, what if I had loads of work to do and needed to put up sheds, you know, like, large sheds, and I wanted to drive a camper van onto the site and I had to stay there for quite a while?"
They said "A camper van would be fine."
I then asked (I know...I was beginning to push my luck!)..."Well what if the roof caved in on my camper van and I had to sleep in one of the large sheds?"
I held my breath to stifle the chuckle that was trying to escape but I think the desk-bot sensed it and to my surprise laughed a little. "Well, we wouldn't know, would we?" They proclaimed.

The points I gleaned from this conversation was that if you plonk a cabin in the middle of a field and live there in quite an obvious manner, then, like it or loathe it, you're gonna draw attention to yourself, but be discreet and sensible and respectful of the 'laws' and don't actually live there, then you may be OK. Please note: This is MY understanding of the conversation I had and whilst sort of/kind of encouraging, it should be said that there is still the possibility that you could erect a tent on your land and be chased off by guys in suits waving clip boards at you. Hope I've made sense in this post :-)

Tabnabs · 25-10-2013 11:27am

I know of one "cabin" in a forest in Wicklow that has been sitting quietly for over a decade and the owner and builder lives there in peace and solitude. There is just no guarantee that it will remain so.

wolfeye · 25-10-2013 12:06pm

From waterford county council website.

Does a mobile home or caravan need permission?
The keeping or storing of a caravan, campervan or boat within the curtilage of a house is exempt from permission provided that there is not more than one caravan, campervan or boat, that it is not so kept or stored for more than 9 months in any year, or occupied as a dwelling while so kept or stored. It should not be used for the storage, display, advertisement or sale of goods or for the purposes of any business.
A storage, keeping or occupation of a mobile home requires planning permission.

http://www.waterfordcoco.ie/en/services/planning/faqs/exempteddevelopment/#Does

http://www.justanswer.com/ireland-law/537w4-own-acres-land-co-mayo-put-static-caravan.html

Tabnabs · 25-10-2013 12:37pm

It's the same in Dublin, but I see the same caravans, camper vans and boats sitting in driveways year round

Danpad · 25-10-2013 1:12pm

The rules seem to differ a little when it comes to putting a unit on a plot of land. Also, I forgot to include that the erection of a shed (or several sheds-within reason) is deemed to be OK. There are quite a few nice little 'lodge' style shed kits around, some of which can be up to 16ft long. Whilst re-posting fences and the like on your land these would be more than adequate for taking shelter from the rain. (Yes, I posed this question to the civil servant also and expanded on such a scenario by suggesting that it sometimes rains solidly for a whole week

and that "it was hardly a criminal offence to fall asleep during such a time was it?").
All in all, I think common sense prevails.

Tabnabs · 25-10-2013 2:14pm

This is the kind of thing that makes me very worried for the future. You can be 100% certain that this is happening in Ireland too.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/suspected-3d-printer-gun-found-manchester

Police have seized components for what could be the UK's first ever 3D-printed gun in what they called a "really significant discovery".

Greater Manchester police said they believed the parts represented the next generation of firearms, which could be created by gangs in the privacy of their homes and smuggled with ease because they could avoid X-ray detection.

The gun parts were discovered, along with a 3D printer, when officers executed warrants in the Bagley area of the city on Thursday.

Officers found what were thought to be a plastic magazine and trigger which could be fitted together to make a viable gun. They said the haul also included a quantity of gunpowder.

The parts are now being forensically examined by firearms specialists to establish if they could construct a working device. If so, it would be the first seizure of its kind in the UK, police said.

ShadowFox · 25-10-2013 2:44pm

Get lots of tradesmen together build your own secret under ground bunker

ShadowFox · 25-10-2013 2:52pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

This is the kind of thing that makes me very worried for the future. You can be 100% certain that this is happening in Ireland too.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/suspected-3d-printer-gun-found-manchester

The barrel and the bullets would still be metal so the metal detectors would still be triggered.

Danpad · 25-10-2013 2:53pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

This is the kind of thing that makes me very worried for the future. You can be 100% certain that this is happening in Ireland too.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/suspected-3d-printer-gun-found-manchester

I Agree, this changes everything.

Tabnabs · 25-10-2013 2:58pm

ShadowFox wrote: »

The barrel and the bullets would still be metal so the metal detectors would still be triggered.

I've read that these guns would be similar to what are known as a 'Saturday Night Special'. I.e. small, low cost and low quality handguns. They may misfire, they wouldn't be used for long due to fragility, but could be easily replaced.

Why worry about metal detection at airports etc. if you can print it up in your back bedroom and take it out for a "job"?

ShadowFox · 25-10-2013 3:04pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

I've read that these guns would be similar to what are known as a 'Saturday Night Special'. I.e. small, low cost and low quality handguns. They may misfire, they wouldn't be used for long due to fragility, but could be easily replaced.

Why worry about metal detection at airports etc. if you can print it up in your back bedroom and take it out for a "job"?

True but i wouldnt fancy being the one holding it when its fired i like my fingers

Khannie · 25-10-2013 3:23pm

ShadowFox wrote: »

The barrel and the bullets would still be metal so the metal detectors would still be triggered.

There were guys in the US that released the schematics for one that only had a metal firing pin. I think that was last year. After a lot of pressure they removed the design from their web site, but of course the designs are all over the internet.

I remember reading that people were making single shot guns out of door handles during the vietnam war (I have _no_idea_ how), so this isn't a new thing.

ShadowFox · 25-10-2013 3:43pm

Khannie wrote: »

There were guys in the US that released the schematics for one that only had a metal firing pin. I think that was last year. After a lot of pressure they removed the design from their web site, but of course the designs are all over the internet.

I remember reading that people were making single shot guns out of door handles during the vietnam war (I have _no_idea_ how), so this isn't a new thing.

They were called zip guns Ive seen them made from maglites there are even videos on how to make them

aaakev · 25-10-2013 3:58pm

I dont think ot will be anymore of a problem than gun crime is now. Guns are easily got by the scum who use them, thankfully for the most part, they just shoot each other

ShadowFox · 25-10-2013 6:11pm

aaakev wrote: »

I dont think ot will be anymore of a problem than gun crime is now. Guns are easily got by the scum who use them, thankfully for the most part, they just shoot each other

I agree in this country most of the scum are too stupid to make something like that

wolfeye · 26-10-2013 11:03am

Tabnabs wrote: »

This is the kind of thing that makes me very worried for the future. You can be 100% certain that this is happening in Ireland too.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/suspected-3d-printer-gun-found-manchester

Turns out they were only printer spare parts.
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/police-redfaced-as-3d-gun-turns-out-to-be-printer-spare-parts-29701945.html

aaakev · 26-10-2013 11:10am

They really jumped the gun (no pun intended...) on that one

ShadowFox · 26-10-2013 2:20pm

wolfeye wrote: »

Turns out they were only printer spare parts.
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/police-redfaced-as-3d-gun-turns-out-to-be-printer-spare-parts-29701945.html

Or is that only what they told the media to avoid panic and copycats

Fries-With-That · 28-10-2013 10:07pm

Danpad wrote: »

So, not one for arguing politics over the phone and not in the mood to try and get the person to re-design the system into a utopian blue print that would fit my needs (I prefer to have such debates over a pint and a plate of dinner) I then hit them with the following questions:
"Does the permission to camp on agri land for 10 days mean 10 days per year? Or camp for 10 days, leave for a day and then return to begin a consecutive 10 days?"
The reply they gave was to inform me that "Nobody was going to prohibit me from camping on my own land as long as I didn't make it look like the Electric Picnic."

This is interesting, where did you get the 10 days per year information.

Danpad · 28-10-2013 10:42pm

Fries-With-That wrote: »

This is interesting, where did you get the 10 days per year information.

I found this info on the county council websites of counties I conducted searches for land in. For example here's a link to Mayo county council regs:
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]http://www.mayococo.ie/en/Planning/Publications/DoELeaflets/PDFFile,374,en.pdf

Scroll down to: 3. What are the exemptions from planning permission?

[/FONT][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]It seems to be pretty much the same whatever county council regs you view. [/FONT]

Tabnabs · 29-10-2013 4:12pm

I came across a great tip on another forum today and thought it worth sharing:

An alternative driveway block in the countryside is a cattle grid. Dig a trench right across the driveway. Line it with concrete so it is about three feet deep by six feet wide and as long as the track is wide. Lay scaffold poles across so it looks and behaves like a conventional cattle grid, but don't secure them. When you enter the driveway, stop on the inside and lift out the poles. Have somewhere nearby to hide them (in a hollow under a pile of rotting dung is good). Anybody trying to get up the drive will be stopped in their tracks and will probably look for an easier target.

Esel · 30-10-2013 2:05am

Tabnabs wrote: »

I came across a great tip on another forum today and thought it worth sharing:

Other Forum wrote:

Anybody trying to get up the drive will be stopped in their tracks and will probably look for an easier target.

To local Garda investigating possible intentional injury to possibly nefarious trespasser "Ah Jebus, Guard, do you mean to tell me that someone stole the crossbars again? That's the third time! I think I'll just fill the fecking thing in at this stage."

Might be a good idea to have previously reported a theft or two of said crossbars, and never to forget whether they are 'in' or 'out'.

ShadowFox · 14-11-2013 11:37pm

Has anyone seen the latest Doomsday preppers? Its well worth a look if you want a good laugh
Here is a blog about one guy on it read through the comments but if you watch the show first you will understand the rude comments
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=9950&utm_source=feedly

Tabnabs · 15-11-2013 11:38am

I'm hooked on the Mountain Men series, TBF, the current series is pretty poor with the most predicable stories of something breaks down in the wilderness, but they get home without any issues in the end. It would make a nice fly on the wall documentary rather than the kind of adventure programming they are trying for.

aaakev · 15-11-2013 12:22pm

Yeah i think they have ruined what could have been a very good show!

Eustace conway for example, everything he does is set up and staged... Look when they went huntimg squirels with the flintlock rifles that they made the bullets for. I mean ffs he has a shotgun, we have seen him with it, ammo for a shotgun costs cents!! It always seems like he is making life harder on himself

I still look forward to watching it every week tho! Haha

Tabnabs · 15-11-2013 12:29pm

If you haven't read the book on Eustace, get it, well worth reading. A very mixed character. It also shows just how much more unreal his bits are.

Khannie · 15-11-2013 12:49pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

I'm hooked on the Mountain Men series

Hadn't heard of it. Gonna give it a whirl.

I had watched season 1 of doomsday preppers. Of course they're all breaking the cardinal rule of letting everyone know what they have, but I found it fascinating. Some of them I felt sorry for (the guy with the truck getting shafted on the military netting) others were just mental.

Stovepipe · 15-11-2013 10:34pm

I think the crossbars over the hole idea might backfire if a casual visit by a family member or friend after dark turned into an accident. At a guess, you might find yourself in trouble for having knowingly allowed a trap to exist....

regards
Stovepipe

booom · 16-11-2013 10:18pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

I think the crossbars over the hole idea might backfire if a casual visit by a family member or friend after dark turned into an accident. At a guess, you might find yourself in trouble for having knowingly allowed a trap to exist....

regards
Stovepipe

+1, especially if you decided to fill it with punji sticks- ouch. Still sounds like a good idea for dealing with the mad roaming bear population- seriously though; if you had a decent padlocked gate between the 'cattle grid' and the road or public right of way, and 'no trespassing' and a few 'beware of the dogs' hung within view- i don't see why you wouldn't get away with it.

Tabnabs · 18-11-2013 12:58pm

Danpad · 18-11-2013 5:28pm

I was on my land to be the other day camo'd to the hilt, machete in hand, literally blazing a trail along one of the perimeters, stopping along the way to scan for sign on the forest floor picking up deer and badger tracks...thought I was great...in fact I thought I was a green beret...until a wasp zoned in on me, yes a wasp...in bloody November...the boy scout act quickly vanished and turned into that of boy George.

...and yes I was waving my machete at it.

The Glass Key · 18-11-2013 6:55pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Perfect for Ireland....

As George Bernard Shaw said

Put an Irishman on the spit and you can always get another Irishman to turn him.

Tabnabs · 19-11-2013 5:23pm

Power cuts (if they happen) will be my opportunity to test this latest idle interest.

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thehippychippy · 19-11-2013 5:44pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Power cuts (if they happen) will be my opportunity to test this latest idle interest.

MAN, fickle and argumentative, but also full of Simple Genius!!!

Danpad · 20-11-2013 11:29am

Did I read/hear somewhere that if you throw a bit of bleach into the water it lights up even more? Or is that just nonsense?

Fries-With-That · 20-11-2013 5:20pm

Danpad wrote: »

Did I read/hear somewhere that if you throw a bit of bleach into the water it lights up even more? Or is that just nonsense?

I think you may be referring to solar roof lights(for tin/metal) roofs, if you put bleach in the water it stops it turning green.

http://dornob.com/solar-bottle-lamps-water-bleach-10000-liters-of-light/#axzz2lCgRC43a

Tabnabs · 22-11-2013 5:24pm

Crazy old coot from the hills of Montana has his say in court.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/facing-illegal-fishing-charge-ernie-tertelgte-declares-self-natural-man-condemns-us-flag#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LwR0c-CE5g

Tabnabs · 30-11-2013 8:29pm

Finally got round to trying out the head-torch lantern idea. Overall, a bit disappointing. The light isn't magnified, merely diffused. The other though that struck me quite quickly was, the clock was ticking on battery life. It would work best at a small table for 2/3 people, playing cards or something similar. If you want to keep the light out of someone's eyes (that old head-torch problem), then a more gentle light, otherwise not a great backup to oil lamps etc.

The Glass Key · 30-11-2013 8:34pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Finally got round to trying out the head-torch lantern idea. Overall, a bit disappointing. The light isn't magnified, merely diffused. The other though that struck me quite quickly was, the clock was ticking on battery life. It would work best at a small table for 2/3 people, playing cards or something similar. If you want to keep the light out of someone's eyes (that old head-torch problem), then a more gentle light, otherwise not a great backup to oil lamps etc.

Oil lamps all the way here, I keep about 5l of decent lamp oil and when that runs out its get down and dirty with good old kerosene (stinks compared to lamp oil and produces more smoke).

Tabnabs · 04-12-2013 12:41pm

The term 'sheeple' - does it wreck anyone else's head?

Khannie · 04-12-2013 12:49pm

Never heard it before today. There are a fierce number of sheep out there though. Fierce.

mawk · 04-12-2013 5:08pm

Yeah it really bugs me. If I hear someone say I automatically assume they are dumb as wood.

Where you goin' city boy? - the off topic and chat thread

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