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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN *Mod Warning Post #1*

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  • #1172
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Tony EH wrote: »
    There was no violation of the law.

    You seem to having some trouble with this.
    Once again, the violation of the law was removing the child from his parents with no reasonable basis of suspicion for the child being at risk. Its not difficult.


  • #1173
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    No. They never said the kid was badly treated.

    No I meant, the couple could have been sketchy about details of the child - not known its blood type, etc. and that could have raised suspicions.


  • #1174
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    drumswan wrote: »
    Once again, the violation of the law was removing the child from his parents with no reasonable basis of suspicion for the child being at risk. Its not difficult.

    There was no reasonable suspicion in Greece either.


  • #1175
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,351 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    reprazant wrote: »
    Where did you hear this?

    I heard it took them a while to find the documents but that doesn't mean anything as anyone who has done the panicky desperate search for a passport the night before a holiday knows.

    As far as I've read the child had been going under a different name and the parents had trouble remembering the name on the birth cert.

    To be honest, I don't know what to believe in this case. Within the last few days there has been tons of words written about it, much of it conflicting.


  • #1176
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    not known its blood type, etc..

    I don't know my own blood type off the top of my head, and I reckon a lot of other people don't either......


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  • #1177
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    There was no reasonable suspicion in Greece either.

    Wtf has Greece got to do with this case?


  • #1178
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,351 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    drumswan wrote: »
    Once again, the violation of the law was removing the child from his parents with no reasonable basis of suspicion for the child being at risk. Its not difficult.

    Bollocks.

    I'm done with this contradiction.


  • #1179
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Oh please...

    You should change your name to "Old Maid" :pac:

    Have you or any of your loved ones been racially abused, spat at or threatened because of the colour of their skin?


  • #1180
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    wes wrote: »
    I don't know my own blood type off the top of my head, and I reckon a lot of other people don't either......

    I'm just putting suggestions out there.

    The fact that the alarm was raised when they brought the kid for treatment makes me think it may have been more than just the way she looked.

    Also - you should know your blood type. And you'll find most parents would know their own children's blood type. Or at least they should!


  • #1181
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That's not the same as saying "can do whatever they want and whatever they do is correct"
    How about here?
    Tony EH wrote: »
    Where did I say anything about "reasonable"?
    If they don't have to have reasonable grounds then does that not make them beyond reproach?


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  • #1182
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Bollocks.

    I'm done with this contradiction.
    Your best argument yet, well done. Did you consider just repeating yourself again until what you said became true, you seemed to be enjoying that earlier.


  • #1183
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,351 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    :
    Originally Posted by Tony EH
    Oh please...

    You should change your name to "Old Maid" pacman.gif
    old hippy wrote: »
    Have you or any of your loved ones been racially abused, spat at or threatened because of the colour of their skin?

    That has nothing to do with this case.


  • #1184
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,351 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    drumswan wrote: »
    Your best argument yet, well done. Did you consider just repeating yourself again until what you said became true, you seemed to be enjoying that earlier.

    Your contradiction is offering nothing but repetition. You obviously have trouble with the law in question.

    If you are genuinely upset by this case why don't you do something about it?


  • #1185
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    This topic has really lifted the lid on ingrained attitudes, eh? Almost makes me ashamed to be Irish, if I'd ever been proud in the first place.


  • #1186
    Balaclava1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Balaclava1991


    wes wrote: »
    Wait, so basically, someone committed a crime in Greece, and according to your own twisted and bizarre logic, suspicion on the basis of that is reasonable?
    Your talking complete and utter nonsense.

    A blonde kid living with gypsies in Greece is proven to have been snatched.
    A blonde kid living with gypsies in Ireland or indeed anywhere else in Europe would also come under suspicion.
    How hard is that to understand?
    Seriously.
    This is beyond a joke that it has to spelled out for you.
    You obviously have an agenda.


    Wow, your jumping all over the place...... Seriously desperate stuff from you.

    The PC Brigade cranking up the "racist" cops rubbish on cue.
    Obviously this whole thing is pre-planned.
    As it stands, from what I know, that Guards had very little reason to remove this child from there parents.

    You don't know.
    Now, maybe they had more information, that we don't know about, that turned out to be wrong. If that's the case, then they were just doing there jobs, however if they didn't, then there is something that went very wrong here, and that is something that needs to be fixed, so that a mistake like this doesn't happen again.

    There's the agenda right there. There has to be something wrong and if not let's invent it. Let's crucify the Gardaí for doing their job.
    That is not an Anti-Guard agenda as you put it, for reasons that I can only imagine is simple desperation, as your reasoning has been shown to be highly questionable.

    The laws and the powers the Gardaí used were given to them because there was a hue and cry about children in danger in the past.
    The Gardaí acted in according with how people like you have been bleating for them to do for years - to intervene and protect children - and now you have a problem with it?
    Total joke.
    This whole controversy has been created from start to finish by people with an axe to grind and an obvious political agenda.
    You are not fooling me or fooling anybody else.


  • #1187
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Your contradiction is offering nothing but repetition. You obviously have trouble with the law in question.

    If you are genuinely upset by this case why don't you do something about it?
    The courts will deal with it, just as they sent both children back to their parents where they belong as soon as the cases were presented to them.


  • #1188
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    drumswan wrote: »
    Wtf has Greece got to do with this case?

    It's the reason they were there in the first place. We all know that. Yeah?


  • #1189
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    drumswan wrote: »
    Wtf has Greece got to do with this case?

    Don't be deliberately dumb. The Greece case is what caused the Gardai and citizen who called them to notice the child who didn't look Roma. Since that was all the Greek police had.

    Given the Greece DNA tests, then the police were more likely to act. We know that because nothing happened prior to Greece.

    However by the definitions of the smug and self satisfied here the Greek police were racists. Despite being right.


  • #1190
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Balaclava1991 wrote: »
    This whole shebang is clearly being driven in the media and among the PC brigade by a bunch of ex-Stickies, ex-Provos, cryptic Marxists and other political extremist and members of the criminal underworld who have given up on the gun and the bomb and instead have manufactured the human rights industry as a cloak to attack the state and the policing of this country.

    This whole affair stinks of a deliberate conspiracy.
    Wow.


  • #1191
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That has nothing to do with this case.

    And calling me an "old maid" has everything to do with this case?

    I can only assume your flippant dismisal of insitutionalised racism against Roma/Travellers indicates that you've never suffered from racial attacks, verbal abuse and the like?


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  • #1192
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Balaclava1991 wrote: »
    A blonde kid living with gypsies in Greece is proven to have been snatched.
    A blonde kid living with gypsies in Ireland or indeed anywhere else in Europe would also come under suspicion.
    How hard is that to understand?
    Seriously.
    This is beyond a joke that it has to spelled out for you.
    You know you are a racist right Balaclava? Openly thinking the worst of someone based on a racial stereotype is cut and dried racism.


  • #1193
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,351 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    drumswan wrote: »
    The courts will deal with it, just as they sent both children back to their parents where they belong as soon as the cases were presented to them.

    So, you're just blowing off hot air then.

    If a law has been deemed to be broken by the enforcing officers, then I'm sure that the lawyers the family in question are engaging with will bring that up as a case to persue.

    I wouldn't hold my breath though.


  • #1194
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Balaclava1991 wrote: »

    This whole controversy has been created from start to finish by people with an axe to grind and an obvious political agenda.
    You are not fooling me or fooling anybody else.

    Your wilful blindness to this shameful, racist incident would seem to indicate that you yourself have a particular axe to grind.


  • #1195
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Don't be deliberately dumb. The Greece case is what caused the Gardai and citizen who called them to notice the child who didn't look Roma. Since that was all the Greek police had.

    Given the Greece DNA tests, then the police were more likely to act. We know that because nothing happened prior to Greece.

    However by the definitions of the smug and self satisfied here the Greek police were racists. Despite being right.

    Not sure why you keep banging on about Greece. Maybe go post in the thread about that kid who was abducted in Greece, it might be more suitable.


  • #1196
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    old hippy wrote: »
    And calling me an "old maid" has everything to do with this case?

    I can only assume your flippant dismisal of insitutionalised racism against Roma/Travellers indicates that you've never suffered from racial attacks, verbal abuse and the like?

    I can only assume you haven't the slightest understanding of logic. You are both engaging in personal attacks ( which be irrelevant - if he was racially abused as an Irishman it wouldn't matter here) and assuming the conclusion. The "institutional racism"


  • #1197
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,351 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    old hippy wrote: »
    And calling me an "old maid" has everything to do with this case?

    I can only assume your flippant dismisal of insitutionalised racism against Roma/Travellers indicates that you've never suffered from racial attacks, verbal abuse and the like?

    The above sentence is indicative of an old maidish attitude.

    I have seen no proof of any "insitutionalised racism".

    You're also not even remotely qualified to post anything about me or what I may have, or have not "suffered".


  • #1198
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If a law has been deemed to be broken by the enforcing officers, then I'm sure that the lawyers the family in question are engaging with will bring that up as a case to persue.
    You dont think the family are going to litigate? lol


  • #1199
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    drumswan wrote: »
    Not sure why you keep banging on about Greece. Maybe go post in the thread about that kid who was abducted in Greece, it might be more suitable.

    I go banging on about Greece because.

    A) the Greece case influenced the Gardai. But then I explained that. Therefore a legitimate case in Greece reduces the claim of institutional racism. The Gardai were more likely to act given Greece.
    B) the Greek police were institutional racists based on the same criteria as used here by the "anti-racists". They just DNA tested based on looks.


  • #1200
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Where there is blame there is a claim.


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  • #1201
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Balaclava1991 wrote: »
    A blonde kid living with gypsies in Greece is proven to have been snatched.
    A blonde kid living with gypsies in Ireland or indeed anywhere else in Europe would also come under suspicion.

    And that's why it's racist!!! How can you not understand that? It's racial profiling. It's saying "well a member of that racial group did something, therefore we must assume other members of that same racial group have also done the same thing". It's based solely on them being Roma. Nothing else.


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