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My Swedish experience

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    You're a right square, Plazaman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    maninasia wrote: »
    You're a right square, Plazaman.

    Let him off, this thread needs a little humour. God knows I didn't see much of it in Stockholm !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Look at my post again Grenache


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    maninasia wrote: »
    Look at my post again Grenache

    Ah yes, sorry. :)

    It's a bit early for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭mgwhelan


    grenache wrote: »
    1. Asking several people in both Stockholm and Gothenburg for directions, but being met by blank stares before they walked away ignoring me. This happened 3 times! And these were young students i asked, not old folks.
    .

    Did you ask them in english?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭sportloto86


    OP, were you expecting them to throw their pearls and gold at you and worship you as a white god?
    You coming across as a snob. Different countries and nations have different rules and traditions and expecting them to dance the way you want just shows how full of yourself you are. This what leads some countries, which think that because they're eating different food and smile at each other they must be better than others, stick their noses into conflicts in other places and dictate rules.
    Learn traditions and culture first and maybe then you'll see that what you think is a norm for you is completely alien to other nation. I've met rude and xenophobic people in Ireland. So?


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Clementine Brave Teeth


    How was he dictating rules?
    He had a bad experience, people are allowed to have them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I spent a few days in Gothenburg and loved it for the most part.

    They are slightly more reserved, but very polite and I was hugely impressed at the level of English spoken (including bar and restaurant staff).

    I did find the men a bit weird in how they approach the wimminz; I was out in a bar with my mate and as soon as he went to the jacks a couple of lads came over and tried it on, despite the fact that I didn't have a word of Swedish and the fact that I was clearly with someone (they didn't know we were mates). They still hung around even after he came back to his seat.

    There seems to be a massive gulf looks-wise between the men and women over there. I told my mate I expected him to be clearing up (he's a good looking dude).

    Found Norwegians to be waaay ruder to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    maninasia wrote: »
    Yeah but there was nobody to go with the flow with...because nobody would talk to me like the OP...get it? Trying to talk to some Swedes you don't know is like dealing with a caged animal it seems (you'd almost see the gears ticking in their head..Is this guy gay?....What does he want?...Why is he talking to me?...Is he really Irish?....What is somebody doing talking to me and this must be the thing I heard of called 'The Art of Conversation'). I must say I wasn't in Stockholm which is probably a little bit more used to foreigners.

    I spent my Summer dossing around swimming naked with the ladies in the lakes and rollerblading backwards to piss them off (some parts of this are true..some not :)).

    After a few months there I did build up a few friends from perseverance but then had to jet off again for happier climes.


    I met a few Swedes in my time and found them very nice and relaxed, not stand-offish...was only ever with one swedish girl, and she was definately one of the ones that got away, going out she had no problem paying(or offering to) for things and never nagged in any way. Living in Asia, a foreigner is treated like an ATM.

    Saying this though, I've never lived in sweden but Stockholm has a great expat community AFAIK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    When I think of Sweden I think of zlavan Ibrahimovic who is a cracking player when he is in the mood but a moody so and so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    mgwhelan wrote: »
    Did you ask them in english?
    I asked them first in broken Swedish "Ursäkta, du pratar engelska?" Excuse me, you speak English? No response, then I ask them in English. Still no response!
    OP, were you expecting them to throw their pearls and gold at you and worship you as a white god?
    Where in my OP did I say I was expecting this?!
    You coming across as a snob. Different countries and nations have different rules and traditions and expecting them to dance the way you want just shows how full of yourself you are. This what leads some countries, which think that because they're eating different food and smile at each other they must be better than others, stick their noses into conflicts in other places and dictate rules.
    Learn traditions and culture first and maybe then you'll see that what you think is a norm for you is completely alien to other nation. I've met rude and xenophobic people in Ireland. So?
    Wait a second, you're calling me a snob for expecting other people to display everyday basic common courtesy?! :eek: Are you for real???!!!!!'

    As for the bit about smiling at people and thinking I'm better than them, oh dear :rolleyes:


    Keep it up though, it makes for funny viewing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    OP, theres a saying, that if you bump into one asshole a day, youre unlucky. But if you bump into nothing but assholes every day, chances are, youre the asshole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    grenache wrote: »
    Did you ever think that maybe I just met the wrong people?
    Did you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Murt10


    It's because they knew you had spent time in Cork - ya langer ya!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    OP, theres a saying, that if you bump into one asshole a day, youre unlucky. But if you bump into nothing but assholes every day, chances are, youre the asshole.

    You obviously haven't been to Germany:eek:


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Clementine Brave Teeth


    lufties wrote: »
    You obviously haven't been to Germany:eek:

    The people I've met in germany have almost always been absolutely lovely and friendly and helpful
    Complete strangers always no problem answering questions or trying to give me directions then making small talk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Went to Gothenburg but didn't even catch a glimpse of Batman.

    Dissapointed.

    The people I've met in germany have almost always been absolutely lovely and friendly and helpful
    Found this about Berlin / Berliners moreso though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Zulu wrote: »
    Did you?

    TBH Zulu your whole post was condescending. I think the OP had quite a reasoned opening post explaining why and how and the instances that made him feel that way.

    You however are defensive and completely unreasoned, and continuing that trend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    bluewolf wrote: »
    The people I've met in germany have almost always been absolutely lovely and friendly and helpful
    Complete strangers always no problem answering questions or trying to give me directions then making small talk

    Have you lived and worked there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    grenache wrote: »
    I'm a big fan of Europe, and our fellow Europeans. I have made friends across a wide spectrum of countries, from France to Ukraine, from Italy to Denmark. I've met warm lovely people from all countries and some assholes too. I regularly travel to Italy, and for me the best part about it is the warmth of the people there. Yes the scenery is stunning, the history, cuisine and weather too, but it's the people that really make the place. In the south particularly they are lovely and so welcoming. I've also had many positive experiences in Paris despite what people say about Parisians. I've never gone to a place thinking that everyone will be warm and welcoming, but you always hope that you'll meet enough decent folk to make your trip worthwhile.

    I recently traveled to Sweden for the first time. I knew of the Swedes' reserved manner and shyness, as i lived with a Swedish guy a few years back and also worked with a few more. So i wasn't expecting people to be very out-going, but still i had basic expectations. But what i experienced there was not shyness or reserved emotion, it was just anti-social rudeness. The "hospitality" there is as warm as the weather. The whole experience really put me off the country. Some of the things i experienced:

    1. Asking several people in both Stockholm and Gothenburg for directions, but being met by blank stares before they walked away ignoring me. This happened 3 times! And these were young students i asked, not old folks.

    2. "Please" and "Thank You" do not exist in Swedish vocabulary. Holding the door open for someone in a shop, or giving a seat up for an older person on a bus is not even acknowledged. Any time i went to buy something in a shop, i never once heard a "hello" or "thank you" of any kind from the sales assistant. In fact even having someone make eye contact with you was a big ask! I was just made to feel uneasy and not welcome. People staring at you because you are a foreigner was common place too, and then if you went to smile back or salute they just look away as quick as possible. Swedes have very good English but are very reluctant to speak it with you. They'd rather pretend that they do not understand you.

    3. The Swedish girl and guy i was staying with, who i knew through friends in Dublin, continued the trend. I couldn't get a laugh out of them, it was difficult to even get a smile. It was like living with robots for the five days. It was as if they could not show emotion.

    Me and my friend were in a pub one of the nights when she went as far as to discuss what i earnt in my job with her boyfriend, in front of me and my friend! She criticised me for not earning enough! To say i was gobsmacked was an understatement. Surely that's a big no-no in any culture?!! She in particular was obsessed with talking about money, how much she was earning, the rich guys she had dated in the past, etc. Together they ate out every day, they never cooked at home. They had no understanding of the value of money!

    The two of them never stopped criticising how things worked (or didn't work) in Ireland - the "everything works perfect in Sweden" was their favourite line. It became tiresome to listen to it. At the party we went to with them, they never introduced us to their friends, we had to do it ourselves. Even then, both of them and their friends tried their best to ignore us for the night. So much for making guest feel welcome!

    4. People going nuts over a bus or train being one minute late!! I mean jesus christ! And don't get me started about people charging onto the train when the doors open, giving no chance for people to get off first. As with basic manners, orderly queues don't exist in Sweden.



    Now, maybe i'm being too harsh on the place, perhaps i had too high of an expectation. But i honestly don't think so. I know people will say it's their "culture" and that its different to ours, but i honestly think that bull. I've been to their neighours when i visited Copenhagen, and although people are a little reserved there too, they are positively charming when compared to the Swedes i met. And they are polite too. I know there are nice Swedish people, and maybe i was unlucky in who i met or the places i travelled to - i've been told Stockholm is full of a$$holes anyway. Now i've got an invitation to return in December but am not really considering going back.

    Should i give Sweden another chance? I've googled terms such as "Swedish hospitality" or "Swedish rudeness" and the results are anything but an endorsement of the country, so it appears that i am not alone in my complaint about the place.

    They where not Vikings for Nothing;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    OP, theres a saying, that if you bump into one asshole a day, youre unlucky. But if you bump into nothing but assholes every day, chances are, youre the asshole.

    Ah, it's a saying, it must be true!
    Zulu wrote: »
    Did you?

    Of course! I could go back in December and enjoy it, but seeing as I would be staying with the same people, I doubt I would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    I don't like their house mafias


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    iDave wrote: »
    I don't like their house mafias

    +1 to that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    grenache wrote: »
    Well yes, and i can allow for that, but it's the every day rudeness i experienced from people in general that annoyed me.

    Its just what you regard as rude, to them, its normal and its just how they are.

    I find Scandinavians are reserved, it takes time to get to know them and to make friends with them.

    But just because you were offend by there ways, does not mean you are right.
    If you didn't have all these preconceived notions of how people should act, and accept the way they are, you would adapt and make friends much easier.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Clementine Brave Teeth


    lufties wrote: »
    Have you lived and worked there?

    Not yet ;) Friend does. The locals are always telling her how cold and unfriendly they probably are... when they're apparently actually quite friendly :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    s8n wrote: »
    Thinly veiled "look at me" I get to travel thread !!

    Thinly veiled "begrudging" reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Overflow wrote: »
    Its just what you regard as rude, to them, its normal and its just how they are.

    I find Scandinavians are reserved, it takes time to get to know them and to make friends with them.

    But just because you were offend by there ways, does not mean you are right.
    If you didn't have all these preconceived notions of how people should act, and accept the way they are, you would adapt and make friends much easier.
    I agree with you to an extent. And if I do go back I will use this to my advantage. But I think people can be reserved without necessarily being rude and unhelpful. My problem was that I came across too many of the latter during my visit. Having someone ask you politely for directions and just ignoring them - I don't see how this can be described as anything but rude and ignorant. In any culture!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    The Germans, and Parisians are much nicer than their rep.

    As for swedes I know very little, on the basis of this thread I am coming down on the side of the people with experience of Sweden rather than the people getting upset with the people with that experience.

    And neither posters are "xenophobes" or trolls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    listermint wrote: »
    You however are defensive and completely unreasoned, and continuing that trend.
    By asking the obvious question? Oh dear. :(
    grenache wrote: »
    Of course! I could go back in December and enjoy it, but seeing as I would be staying with the same people, I doubt I would.
    Why stay with the same people if you didn't enjoy their company? You know what they say about insanity, right? "Repeating the same action..." and all that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    I wonder how long a 'My Nigerian Experience' thread would last before the OP would get hounded by lefties and mods saying hes racist.


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