Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 08:24PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and my opinion is they were right - do it every time , until its proven they are wrong

that is how it works - to many cases of kids being left in harms way becasue nothing was done at the time of reporting

the baby p case in the uk among others springs to mind

My child is blonde with fair skin. I have dark hair and sallow skin. Should I expect a call from the Gardai/HSE?

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:24PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and my opinion is they were right - do it every time , until its proven they are wrong

So every unfounded bit of speculation or gossip should lead to children being abused by being taken from their families until DNA tests can be carried out!!
Seems excessive.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Usual suspects defending everything the Gardai do and could do, so predictable sometimes.

care to provide the thread i defended the garda ?
presuming i am part of your usual suspects , becasue i dont agree with the sheeple

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 08:25PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and my opinion is they were right - do it every time , until its proven they are wrong

that is how it works - to many cases of kids being left in harms way becasue nothing was done at the time of reporting

the baby p case in the uk among others springs to mind

Massive kneejerk reaction .. are all parents now to be treated as child murderers until proven otherwise. take the kids just to be sure. If that's the case just put all children in care as you cant prove one of the parents wont kill them at some stage

sorry for sounding harsh

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:25PM

Phoebas wrote: »

So every unfounded bit of speculation or gossip should lead to children being abused by being taken from their families until DNA tests can be carried out!!
Seems excessive.

i never said that, that is your leap

elfy4eva · 23-10-2013 08:26PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

My child is blonde with fair skin. I have dark hair and sallow skin. Should I expect a call from the Gardai/HSE?

Only if you are reported to them by a concerned member of the public.

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:26PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

My child is blonde with fair skin. I have dark hair and sallow skin. Should I expect a call from the Gardai/HSE?

First you need to post this information on Facebook and you'll be needing at least 20 likes. The cops can't be everywhere ye know.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:27PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Massive kneejerk reaction .. are all parents now to be treated as child murderers until proven otherwise. take the kids just to be sure. If that's the case just put all children in care as you cant prove one of the parents wont kill them at some stage

sorry for sounding harsh

baby p dies becasue they did not remove the child from the situation , until it was proven that it was safe to return the child
that is what the garda done

they had NO option , it the ****ing law - what cant you get about that ?

omega man · 23-10-2013 08:27PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

A girl is found with a Roma family who are not her parents in Greece and sparks an international firestorm.

An upstanding citizen sees a blond haired child in the company of Roma gypsies in Ireland and is fearful of a similar situation and is compelled to tell the Gardaí.

The Gardaí are obliged to investigate a suspected child abduction and it seems on the face of it they are dealing with an identical case.

If authorities fear a child is kidnapped they are entitled to intervene.

Now that the kid is proven to be theirs they are going to give the child back.

That's the Gardaí doing their jobs.

Do you think the Gardaí should not check out suspected cases of child abduction or not?

I'm glad this country is taking the threat of child abduction so seriously since the state facilitated priests to abduct and imprison and rape children in the past.

Good post. Sadly now there will be a negative reaction from certain organisations with the possibility that the public, hse or Gardai may not intervene as quickly in future. Who knows if that could lead to the failure to identify a case similar to the Greek case. For me the justification would be to save even 1 child no matter how many they get "wrong".

Annasopra · 23-10-2013 08:28PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

what evidence do you have that they were not , you see , if they did , its to late to act , that is why the cops did what they did

no point closing the gate after the horse has bolted, this is why they hold people until AFTER they have investigated

basic cop practice

So basically you have no evidence at all they were going to do a vanishing act

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:29PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

they had NO option , it the ****ing law - what cant you get about that ?

Which law are you referring to that compelled the Gardai to remove the child into preventive custody and closed off every other option to them?

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 08:29PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

care to provide the thread i defended the garda ?
presuming i am part of your usual suspects , becasue i dont agree with the sheeple

Ah so people raising concerns over how the Gardai operate are now "sheeple". Nice one. I'm fairly sure though that those who agree with the authorities unquestionably are in fact the "sheeple".

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:29PM

omega man wrote: »

Good post. Sadly now there will be a negative reaction from certain organisations with the possibility that the public, hse or Gardai may not intervene as quickly in future. Who knows if that could lead to the failure to identify a case similar to the Greek case. For me the justification would be to save even 1 child no matter how many they get "wrong".

and that will be the sad outcome - they should be allowed to do their job without hindrance , its not as if the cops done this solo , the HSE and a judge would have been involved at some stage.

Foxhound38 · 23-10-2013 08:29PM

Or the Daily mail, who "interviewed" a girl claiming that the girl in question was her sister who had been snatched form her blonde blue eyed family by those dirty, racially inferior roma...

OOPS

Hope every reprehensible tabloid hack who jumped the gun in the quest for a hysterical headline gets the pants sued off them. Whatever about the Gardai, the reporting of this has been incomprehensibly irresponsible...

Exhibit A

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:31PM

mango salsa wrote: »

So basically you have no evidence at all they were going to do a vanishing act

i have the same evidence that you have that they were not going to

cops dont have that option , they have to take action on a complaint made

simple as that

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:33PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Which law are you referring to that compelled the Gardai to remove the child into preventive custody and closed off every other option to them?

yawn , i said its the law that they had to act , they then made the call on the spot , with the info they had at the time.

AH is full of after the fact wonders tonight - good to see

Annasopra · 23-10-2013 08:34PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i have the same evidence that you have that they were not going to

cops dont have that option , they have to take action on a complaint made

simple as that

Who complained they were going to do a vanishing act? or did you just make that up?

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 08:34PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i have the same evidence that you have that they were not going to

cops dont have that option , they have to take action on a complaint made

simple as that

Did the gardai not say on multiple occasions that the family were fully cooperating? Based on that it would appear they were not on the verge of doing a runner.

5littleangels · 23-10-2013 08:34PM

Two brown eyed people can have a blue eyed child. Brown is a dominant gene and blue recessive (weaker). So if a child has a blue and brown gene with regards their eyes they will have brown eyes. If a couple have a child the child gets one gene from each couple so if both parents have brown eyes but have a blue gene and a brown gene each then the child can have blue eyes. Two blue eyed people can not have a brown eyed child. Blue eyed people have two blue genes. I felt sick when I read that they had taken that girl based on the fact that her eyes were blue its shameful. They could have gone about this many different ways to avoid traumatising the child by removing her from her parents to check her dna against theirs. The thought of this happening to my own children makes me feel sick to the stomach I cant really believe that educated people, people with university degrees who are supposed to be the most intelligent in our society made a decision like this it is frightening.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:35PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Or the Daily mail, who "interviewed" a girl claiming that the girl in question was her sister who had been snatched form her blonde blue eyed family by those dirty, racially inferior roma...

OOPS

Hope every reprehensible tabloid hack who jumped the gun in the quest for a hysterical headline gets the pants sued off them. Whatever about the Gardai, the reporting of this has been incomprehensibly irresponsible...

Exhibit A

spot on , this should have never got to the press

problem was , it was a hack that told the cops , it was always going to go this way

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 08:35PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

yawn , i said its the law that they had to act , they then made the call on the spot , with the info they had at the time.

AH is full of after the fact wonders tonight - good to see

What serious and immediate danger was the child in?

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 08:35PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

yawn , i said its the law that they had to act , they then made the call on the spot , with the info they had at the time.

AH is full of after the fact wonders tonight - good to see

Are these the same Garda that are highly trained in handling child safety/welfare ? something has gone drastically wrong here

23-10-2013 08:35PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

care to provide the thread i defended the garda ?
presuming i am part of your usual suspects , becasue i dont agree with the sheeple

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sheeple.png

Hitchens · 23-10-2013 08:36PM

so, two cock-ups in such a short space of time, oh dear oh dear :eek:

23-10-2013 08:36PM

5littleangels wrote: »

Two brown eyed people can have a blue eyed child. Brown is a dominant gene and blue recessive (weaker). So if a child has a blue and brown gene with regards their eyes they will have brown eyes. If a couple have a child the child gets one gene from each couple so if both parents have brown eyes but have a blue gene and a brown gene each then the child can have blue eyes. Two blue eyed people can not have a brown eyed child. Blue eyed people have two blue genes. I felt sick when I read that they had taken that girl based on the fact that her eyes were blue its shameful. They could have gone about this many different ways to avoid traumatising the child by removing her from her parents to check her dna against theirs. The thought of this happening to my own children makes me feel sick to the stomach I cant really believe that educated people, people with university degrees who are supposed to be the most intelligent in our society made a decision like this it is frightening.

It's a bit more complicated than the examples used in the Leaving Cert.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:36PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Did the gardai not say on multiple occasions that the family were fully cooperating? Based on that it would appear they were not on the verge of doing a runner.

oh , sorry , i did not know that the garda took the word of the people being questioned as verbatim , i must remember that

they might have been spoofing - they garda cant take that chance , they done the correct thing in relation of child protection - end of

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 08:37PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are these the same Garda that are highly trained in handling child safety/welfare ? something has gone drastically wrong here

says you , you are trained in what may i ask ?

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 08:38PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

yawn , i said its the law that they had to act , they then made the call on the spot , with the info they had at the time.

AH is full of after the fact wonders tonight - good to see

Huh?
NOBODY is saying that the cops didn't have to act, only that they didn't have to act on the manner that they did i.e. to take the child into protective custody.

You're just on here arguing against something that entirely on your own head.

23-10-2013 08:38PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

oh , sorry , i did not know that the garda took the word of the people being questioned as verbatim , i must remember that

they might have been spoofing - they garda cant take that chance , they done the correct thing in relation of child protection - end of

If the state is sued and the couple win will you still say the Gardai did the right thing? There are people doing the "procedures were followed" handwaving without any evidence, it's just a kneejerk to defend the Gardai in any situation, and I'm just wondering if they'll change their minds again if some facts actually emerge.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 08:38PM

5littleangels wrote: »

Two blue eyed people can not have a brown eyed child.

They still can, but it will be much less frequent. Recessive/dominant genes are not black & white like that. I don't think there's a combination that can be absolutely eliminated, some are just very rare. Which only shows how silly it is to base such actions on one's colouring only.

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