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Is sex passionate and meaningful anymore?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭pharmaton


    Itwasntme. wrote: »
    Tis the season to be jolly, trolalalala...lalalala.

    we should so hook up....







































    .....some Christmas lights this year! pew pew pew!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    pharmaton wrote: »
    we should so hook up....


    .....some Christmas lights this year! pew pew pew!!!


    *Packs webcam away again*


    Damn you anyway pharmaton :(


    Don't mind if I steal that line though? It's class! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    If you meet someone who you find physically attractive and if there exists that mysterious chemistry between the pair of you, then a good long porking session is still as enjoyable as ever. The passionate embrace of lovers entwined in each other, the ecstasy of la petite mort, sharing a cigarette post coitus, watching her naked form walk across the room to the bathroom, silently congratulating oneself on another top-class tupping.

    I was getting turned on there until you mentioned the smoking part.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    pundy wrote: »
    what's with this instant gratification that people seem to crave these days?

    all good things come to those who wait - and if you follow that logic, there wont be any good in riding some slag from a club.

    i know a tart

    The instant gratification that people have craved since time immemorial?

    One night stands, weekenders, a quick one in the bushes or a lavish hotel. All good and perfectly acceptable. Your judgement is ugly and it says a lot about the type of person you are. Thankfully, people have moved on since your Victorian vile misogynist attitude.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Im not ugly and I'd say half the people I've had sex with Ive met online.

    I'd say 99% of the people I've had sex with I met online. The other 1% was someone from work, which was terrible and created a lot of awkwardness afterwards. Damn those Xmas parties. :mad: :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    I'd say 99% of the people I've had sex with I met online. The other 1% was someone from work, which was terrible and created a lot of awkwardness afterwards. Damn those Xmas parties. :mad: :pac:

    You've had sex with 100 people? :eek::D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    You've had sex with 100 people? :eek::D

    Not unfeasible. Trust me, there was plenty of sex before the internet as well :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    old hippy wrote: »
    The instant gratification that people have craved since time immemorial?

    One night stands, weekenders, a quick one in the bushes or a lavish hotel. All good and perfectly acceptable. Your judgement is ugly and it says a lot about the type of person you are. Thankfully, some people have moved on since your Victorian vile misogynist attitude.


    FYP there hippy, online opinions are never a good barometer of people's true attitudes to sex and sexuality. I've found that online, people are very liberal about things that don't necessarily affect them.

    Offline however, is still a very different reality, and that's why the online world is often referred to as a virtual one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    I think it's weird meeting people online and having sex with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    old hippy wrote: »
    Not unfeasible. Trust me, there was plenty of sex before the internet as well :)

    Makes it all the more impressive!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I think it's weird meeting people online and having sex with them.

    Weirder than meeting someone at a bar or at a party?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    I think it's weird meeting people online and having sex with them.

    I thought the same at first but it just seems normal to me now. It's easier and more convenient than trying to pick up someone in a noisy night club.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    Weirder than meeting someone at a bar or at a party?

    Personally I think it's weird going off riding anyone you don't know. Wouldn't be into that carry on at all now, tbh. But hey, each to their own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Weirder than meeting someone at a bar or at a party?


    Before you judge Lollipops, I think it's only fair to remind ourselves that if we are to judge people for being judgemental, then that's just us being just as judgemental, only using our own standards, the same as they're doing.

    Some things work for some people, they don't work for others, and before you judge people's behaviour or their attitudes, a person should be prepared to be judged for their own behaviours and attitudes first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Before you judge Lollipops, I think it's only fair to remind ourselves that if we are to judge people for being judgemental, then that's just us being just as judgemental, only using our own standards, the same as they're doing.

    Where was I judging? I was just curious as to why it's far more widely accepted to hook up in those situations than online.
    I don't think people are "weird" for not wanting to do it though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Where was I judging? I was just curious as to why it's far more widely accepted to hook up in those situations than online.
    I don't think people are "weird" for not wanting to do it though.


    Well that's an easy question to answer tbh:

    Because that's how human beings have socially interacted for millenia - face to face initial interaction, as opposed to online dating and NSA encounter sites where it's that much harder to judge a person because of the "distance".

    At least in close personal proximity to the person you can have a better idea of whether you are truly attracted to them sexually, or not.

    Nobody has ever been able to determine from a person's online persona that the person could have severe hygiene issues, or falls well short of their 6ft4in Herculean physique that they embellished in their profile, until they've met them in person of course :D

    Point being really that despite the rising popularity of "Online Dating" in society nowadays, it's still a shìte way to judge potential sexual suitors!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Well that's an easy question to answer tbh:

    Because that's how human beings have socially interacted for millenia - face to face initial interaction, as opposed to online dating and NSA encounter sites where it's that much harder to judge a person because of the "distance".

    At least in close personal proximity to the person you can have a better idea of whether you are truly attracted to them sexually, or not.

    Nobody has ever been able to determine from a person's online persona that the person could have severe hygiene issues, ,or falls well short of their 6ft4in Herculean physique that they embellished in their profile until they've met them in person of course :D

    Point being really that despite the rising popularity of "Online Dating" in society nowadays, it's still a shìte way to judge potential sexual suitors!

    There's worse things one could exaggerate about themselves. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Well that's an easy question to answer tbh:

    Because that's how human beings have socially interacted for millenia - face to face initial interaction, as opposed to online dating and NSA encounter sites where it's that much harder to judge a person because of the "distance".

    At least in close personal proximity to the person you can have a better idea of whether you are truly attracted to them sexually, or not.

    Nobody has ever been able to determine from a person's online persona that the person could have severe hygiene issues, or falls well short of their 6ft4in Herculean physique that they embellished in their profile, until they've met them in person of course :D

    Point being really that despite the rising popularity of "Online Dating" in society nowadays, it's still a shìte way to judge potential sexual suitors!

    But surely it's just a way to ultimately arrange the actual face to face meetings where you can do the measuring taping, personal hygeine appraisal and judgement of sexual suitor potential.

    I mean people do actually meet up and go on dates and things after making initial contact through the dating sites.They don't replace close personal proximity, they just help facilitate it.

    That's the whole point of the thing from what I can see.

    Least that's what I've always figured. Never tried online dating myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Irish_rat


    Casual sex on a night out is the norm folks :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭carzony


    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Casual sex on a night out is the norm folks :cool:

    I doubt everyone is into it...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    strobe wrote: »
    But surely it's just a way to ultimately arrange the actual face to face meetings where you can do the measuring taping, personal hygeine appraisal and judgement of sexual suitor potential.

    I mean people do actually meet up and go on dates and things after making initial contact through the dating sites.They don't replace close personal proximity, they just help facilitate it.

    That's the whole point of the thing from what I can see.

    Least that's what I've always figured. Never tried online dating myself.


    Ahh no certainly it can have it's advantages and disadvantages, but often times you'll meet people who seem to have become so completely immersed in the idea as if it's the greatest thing to happen to social interaction since some bright spark discovered the joys of alcohol :D

    As for actually facilitating physical social interaction, well, that's debatable in all fairness. Consider if you will for a minute the person who spends hours flicking through profiles, makes the initial approach, lets assume their approach is reciprocated. From that moment they're building an expectation of the person in their heads from having read all the positives on their profile, then it gets as far as the first initial meeting, everything physically matches up, all good so far...

    Five minutes after they meet up, one or the other realises the chemistry they had in the virtual world just doesn't translate into the physical world...

    And all that time spent wooing and waiting and expecting just leaves them deflated, when they could've spent it interacting with people in closer proximity to them where expectations are more realistic and results are more instant.

    I'm sure too strobe you'll at least have met people for whom the whole online dating has and hasn't worked out, and I could say with some certainty that for the majority of members on these sites, it hasn't worked out, as opposed to the minority for whom it has.

    The whole reason many people consider it weird is because online interaction is a lot more built on a false premise than physical interaction. It's a lot more based on trusting the other person without ever having met them, than the instant gut feeling you get about somebody based on physically meeting them without knowing anything about them first, you don't have the same false or even hopeful expectations built up already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Yeab that's a fair point Czar. My own opinion is that if using these sites people should go from first messages exchanged online to first meeting/date fairly swiftly, as like you say, you'll only really get a feel for whether the chemistry imight be there or not in person.

    Although I do know of instances where people have had the extended online back and forth, got to know each other reasonably well, met in person, realised there's no romantic/sexual chemistry but went on to be quite good platonic friends based on the good initial online relationship they had, so it's not always a case of wasted time come to nothing even ifit turns out there's no spark.

    I'd also hope it's not frequently a case that people are throwing all thier eggs in one basket when they've started chatting to someone online either and are also remaining open to meeting others in close personal proximity situations.

    But as I say, I've never given it a try, so am just playing devils advocate a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    What's the "these days" ,"anymore" stuff about? Casual sex has always existed.

    Going by their use of the term "tart", I think when pundy expresses disgust at "people" having casual sex, they mean "women".

    Obviously sex can be passionate and meaningful, like it always could be - strange title.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    What's the "these days" ,"anymore" stuff about?


    I think the 20 year old OP was lamenting the fact that some of his peers have discovered the joys of meeting potential sexual partners online rather than going through the usual social channels such as the pubs 'n' clubs scene... :D

    It's pretty much the same way my mother gave me shìt about not "taking a girl for a walk in the park and sharing an ice cream" before "jumping into bed and molesting each other" :pac:


    She'd quite a way with words...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    but often times you'll meet people who seem to have become so completely immersed in the idea as if it's the greatest thing to happen to social interaction since some bright spark discovered the joys of alcohol :D

    And all that time spent wooing and waiting and expecting just leaves them deflated.

    And how do you know they feel this way? I'm sure some people have felt the same way after a night out. From my own experience, people don't really take it too seriously and don't have high expectations of it. It's just another avenue to meet people. I've gone on a few dates that went better than I expected, and a couple that were not great; no spark or whatever, but you'll get good, bad and meh encounters with people regardless of how you're meeting them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Bolikov


    I think people would be surprised how much casual sex their great great great great grandparents had.Therre is a reason there are old lanes in london such as grabcock lane.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    And how do you know they feel this way? I'm sure some people have felt the same way after a night out. From my own experience, people don't really take it too seriously and don't have high expectations of it. It's just another avenue to meet people. I've gone on a few dates that went better than I expected, and a couple that were not great; no spark or whatever, but you'll get good, bad and meh encounters with people regardless of how you're meeting them.


    Key phrase there Davey, and that's all any of us have to go on really is our own experience and the experiences shared by other people with us. That's how I know that there are many who are left deflated by their experience of online dating, because if it was as successful as those whom it's been successful for, well, we'd all be at it and it'd be far more popular than it is now, and that's coming from someone who has been part of the online dating scene since the early 90's when myself and a couple of my mates set up an online chatroom that we developed into a dating site, that shall we say catered for a niche but expanding market.

    Off the top of my head I can think of three marriages that I was invited to, and there have been countless successful couples over the last 15 years, but it'd be silly to ignore the hundreds of single people on the site for whom online dating hasn't worked out.

    Being a member of a dating site has a way of focussing that stark reality in a way that doesn't happen in the physical world. When you go to the club you're not thinking about Joan Soap over there, the cute looking Virgo who describes herself as bubbly and outgoing and just wants to meet a guy with GSOH, you don't know anything about her, other than the fact you find her physically attractive.

    You can't make those sort of judgement calls from a photo and a brief description, it's like having a person's CV in front of you that takes all the mystery out of the equation, and replaces it with expectation. That's why as disillusioned as you might become with the pubs 'n' clubs scene, the online dating scene can be even more detrimental in fostering disillusionment.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I think it's weird meeting people online and having sex with them.

    I met my OH here on boards, and five years later we have a great relationship and a good sex life :)

    I've also met people I share a common interest with (mainly the motors crowd) and gotten help and advice and assistance fixing stuff that I'd never get offline if that makes sense.

    Just tonight a small problem I had with my car was solved by a member on here volunteering help.

    Is that weird?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Stheno wrote: »
    I met my OH here on boards, and five years later we have a great relationship and a good sex life :)

    ...

    Is that weird?


    TBF Stheno I think we could all cite individual examples and anecdotes, but it's far better to acknowledge that for some people, online dating and the idea of meeting people that you converse with online is still a concept that sits uncomfortably with some people who much rather interactions offline and closer to home.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    TBF Stheno I think we could all cite individual examples and anecdotes, but it's far better to acknowledge that for some people, online dating and the idea of meeting people that you converse with online is still a concept that sits uncomfortably with some people who much rather interactions offline and closer to home.
    True, but again tbf there are people like me who prefer to use an online forum to get to know people and build up relationships based on common interests :)

    Now I do work in IT and it's rare I meet my colleagues, and we interact mostly via email and phone, so for those who don't work in that way I get what you mean, but for me, a significant portion of my social and professional life is online and translates to the physical.

    Last year I was at a conference and met loads of colleagues/associates at after conference beers, been chatting to them for two years, and it was our first chance to meet in person.

    I guess it depends on the environment in which you operate.


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