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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN *Mod Warning Post #1*

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  • #332
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Breaking news: Gardaí have taken another child from a second Roma family, in Athlone this time

    http://www.independent.ie/incoming/breaking-gardai-take-a-child-from-second-roma-family-29693979.html


  • #333
    General General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    I Heart Internet wrote: »

    People shouldn't stay quiet about POTENTIAL child safety concerns...

    Hey, it's our culture...


  • #334
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ....they'd really want to be getting this right.


  • #335
    petrolcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    A cousin of mine is called Theresa but everybody knows her as Dodo.
    When she is stopped by the Garda at a checkpoint, or drawing her dole money I bet she doesn't use the Dodo moniker.
    Surely a mother or father - even people from another culture and without english as a first language - would have the savvy to use the childs official name in conversation with authority?

    I was 18 1/2 when I found out what my first name was.

    Apparently my parents had forgotten to tell me.


  • #336
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    iguana wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe that in the 21st century you couldn't show a child was yours in minutes. If someone questioned my son being mine it would take a few minutes to show them a series of photos starting with me pregnant, then him in the hospital with me, his father and grandparents, followed by pictures of him growing up. All the pictures are time-stamped by the device they were taken on. And even accounting for differing cultures and that pregnancy and childbirth are perhaps less celebrated in Roma culture, surely the sheer unusualness of a couple of Indian origin having such a pale baby would have warranted taking pictures after her birth?

    I would expect that photos are not enough of a proof either way and they would be looking for official documents first and foremost.

    Their Indian origin does not mean that there are no other genes in the pool. The Roma have resided in Europe for so long that while they do keep to themselves there is some intermingling going on, not necessarily voluntary (wars, rapes, taking on indigenous children). The girl in Greece looks striking, almost like she is an albino, but the Tallaght girl might be much milder looking.

    She may also not be a biological child of her father for all kinds of reasons.


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  • #337
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    second child has now been returned to the family:rolleyes:


  • #338
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Can someone explain to me why this child was able to be taken into care so quickly, when there are children with strong suspicions that they are being abused by family members and it's almost impossible to get them taken into care?


  • #339
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Because this child is suspected of being kidnapped.


  • #340
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Another child removed from a Roma family in Athlone according to a tweet from Independent.ie

    :eek:

    Could be just a knee-jerk reaction. If it is it raises a lot of questions about the competence of the child protection service.:confused:


  • #341
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    second child has now been returned to the family:rolleyes:
    Link? I can only find info on it being taken away.


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  • #342
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    biko wrote: »
    Link?

    just heard it on the RTE Radio 1 news

    they announced it at the end even the newsreader sounded surprised


  • #343
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    biko wrote: »
    Link? I can only find info on it being taken away.

    The link is: ROMA. :eek:


  • #344
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Could be just a knee-jerk reaction. If it is it raises a lot of questions about the competence of the child protection service.:confused:

    Now that's a whole different kettle of fish.


  • #345
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    biko wrote: »
    Link? I can only find info on it being taken away.
    However, following inquiries today the two-year-old was returned to his family this morning
    The garda acted after they were contacted by a member of the public.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1023/482149-dublin-roma-gardai/


  • #346
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    "A two-year-old boy removed from a Roma family in the midlands has been returned to his parents today.
    Gardaí visited the child's home and decided to act under Section 12 of the Child Care Act.
    The child was placed in the care of the Health Service Executive last night.
    However, following inquiries today the two-year-old was returned to his family this morning
    The garda acted after they were contacted by a member of the public."
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1023/482149-dublin-roma-gardai/


  • #347
    shroom007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 425 ✭✭shroom007


    Poor kid Nearly escaped the **** that is the Roma, Back to a life of stealing and stupidity then look forward to seeing it shivering on the halpenny bridge some day soon


  • #348
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Nodin wrote: »
    "A two-year-old boy removed from a Roma family in the midlands has been returned to his parents today.
    Gardaí visited the child's home and decided to act under Section 12 of the Child Care Act.
    The child was placed in the care of the Health Service Executive last night.
    However, following inquiries today the two-year-old was returned to his family this morning
    The garda acted after they were contacted by a member of the public."
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1023/482149-dublin-roma-gardai/

    Are the Gardai going to investigate every case where a child does not look like its parents......this whole thing is getting silly!


  • #349
    General General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    biko wrote: »
    Link? I can only find info on it being taken away.

    Ooooh, the temptation to make a big deal about this so that I can get all self righteous.

    Yet, I resist.

    For I am better than everyone else.


  • #350
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    I wonder if this is what a message board thread would have read like in 1930s Germany if the internet had been around then.

    ... and they eat Christian babies. :rolleyes:


  • #351
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Are the Gardai going to investigate every case where a child does not look like its parents......this whole thing is getting silly!


    Hysterical overreaction. It's embarrassing.


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  • #352
    WhatNowForUs?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    shroom007 wrote: »
    Poor kid Nearly escaped the **** that is the Roma, Back to a life of stealing and stupidity then look forward to seeing it shivering on the halpenny bridge some day soon

    I suppose we could go back to the 30's 40's 50's etc and hand them over to the nuns and the likes. That worked brillantly.


  • #353
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WhatNowForUs? wrote: »
    I suppose we could go back to the 30's 40's 50's etc and hand them over to the nuns and the likes. That worked brillantly.


    Yeah, we had morals back then. Society cared. I see no flaw in your plan.


  • #354
    baldbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭baldbear


    The media should not of reported this story until the outcome was known. Scarmongering and a frenzy of accusations will probably happen now.


  • #355
    el pasco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭el pasco


    Nodin wrote: »
    It wasn't and they were sent out of the country.

    I remember reading in the Irish Times about a Roma family who lived on a roundabout for a while not sure if they're still there but they were definetly there at one stage


  • #356
    shroom007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 425 ✭✭shroom007


    mod: banned


  • #357
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Moral Panic at its worst.


  • #358
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    shroom007 wrote: »
    Nonsense.... why all the comparisons to the 30's this is totally different, they are an appalling community of people that contribute nothing socially ,economically, culturally ,any distrust or hatred is based on facts not some idiotic political belief . whats next shall we all go and hug a smackhead,ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    That's pretty much what the Nazis thought about the Roma too so I think the comparisons are apt.


  • #359
    shroom007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 425 ✭✭shroom007


    And what do you think of this community


  • #360
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,663 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    All's well that ends well


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  • #361
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    shroom007 wrote: »
    And what do you think of this community
    I haven't met every single one of them so I can't comment.


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