"Occupied 6 counties"

Foxhound38 · 23-10-2013 11:32AM #1

Does it annoy anyone else when the North is referred to as such by armchair republican types? Was in a conversation with one the other day and he used the term repeatedly (and non-ironically). The funny thing is that this dude was only born in the late 80's (and so, I'd be surprised if he remembered anything about the troubles), came from the leafy suburbs of south Dublin and went to an expensive private school - just decided to take up "the cause" in the last few years.

The border is a fact, it will remain so until and unless the people of both jurisdictions decide to get rid of it - get over it and stop this childishness...

That and referring to this country as the "free state" - if we're going to talk about my country, at least have the bloody respect to call it by the name it actually has. I refuse to take anyone who does otherwise seriously in such discussions, if they are playing stupid games with even the name of the place then they are clearly clowns incapable of serious discussion.

What do ye reckon, is it acceptable in this day and age to refer to NI and here by terms such as "Occupied 6 Counties" or "Free State", or is it vaguely insulting?

I Heart Internet · 23-10-2013 11:33AM

I find that people who use the term "occupied 6 counties" tend not, themselves, to be occupied with anything other than drinking cans, wearing celtic shirts and protesting the queen.

Fukuyama · 23-10-2013 11:38AM

I like to leave these type be.

The more they make a fool of themselves, the less support they'll eventually have.

Political Darwinism.

The Backwards Man · 23-10-2013 11:41AM

I use these terms, and others such as Londonderry for Doire Calgach, and Britian to describe Northern Ireland, all the time if I know if it will wind people up. People who get annoyed by these things are very sad individuals, in my experience.

Sunnyisland · 23-10-2013 11:42AM

I feel in a lot of cases it's used to wind up and annoy a lot of people whose opinion is strongly against a republican or nationalist viewpoint.

Suppose it's the same when some people describe the same six counties as ulster,knowing full well that there are nine counties in said ulster.

A lot of hot air to be honest :-)

Fukuyama · 23-10-2013 11:43AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I use these terms, and others such as Londonderry for Doire Calgach, and Britian to describe Northern Ireland, all the time if I know if it will wind people up, people who get annoyed by these things are very sad individuals, in my experience.

+1

Whenever Northern Ireland comes up for discussion, I make a point of calling those who live there 'British'.

I really don't care whether they consider themselves British, Irish or whatever. But it winds the barstool generals up to no end! :P

dodderangler · 23-10-2013 11:44AM

So??????!

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 11:45AM

If referring to the north specifically I'd say the north or the six counties, if referring specifically to the south i'd say the south or the free state. If talking about Ireland as a whole I say Ireland. Frankly, neither jurisdiction on its own deserves my respect so I just call them as I see them.
I dont about celtic, or soccer in fact. I care even less about where the queen goes and I'll take a nice poured pint over a can any day.

As for Foxhound's story. I dont get why when he was born or where he is from bars him from having an opinion on the future of his country.

Also, the irony here is hilarious.Giving out about "stupid games" but anyone who doesnt agree with him is a "clown."

wretcheddomain · 23-10-2013 11:47AM

Really don't see the problem here ~ irrespective whether or not the individuals who say those terms drink from cans and wear Celtic shirts, that doesn't make the term a false one.

If we referred to the north as the '6 Counties', would that bother you? I would guess not. In the past, these very same counties were indeed occupied so while it may be annoying to hear, or the individuals who say it might be annoying, it's still true.

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 11:48AM

Dean0088 wrote: »

+1

Whenever Northern Ireland comes up for discussion, I make a point of calling those who live there 'British'.

I really don't care whether they consider themselves British, Irish or whatever. But it winds the barstool generals up to no end! :P

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Does it annoy anyone else when the North is referred to as such by armchair republican types?

Further irony. Give out about names other people use but then anyone who disagrees with you is a "barstool" or "armchair" republican. Time for a bit of cop on lads

RainMaker · 23-10-2013 11:54AM

The 6 counties are definitely occupied, I've seen pictures of people living there, I've heard stories as well

That's the only definition of "occupied" I would use in relation to NI...

My name is URL · 23-10-2013 11:54AM

Another day another bit of faux outrage from Foxhound

Wacker The Attacker · 23-10-2013 11:55AM

Ulster says no

darragh16 · 23-10-2013 11:57AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I use these terms, and others such as Londonderry for Doire Calgach, and Britian to describe Northern Ireland, all the time if I know if it will wind people up. People who get annoyed by these things are very sad individuals, in my experience.

Why don't you refer to it as Derry/Londonderry to wind up unionists, even though hardly anyone calls it Londonderry.

The Backwards Man · 23-10-2013 11:57AM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Ulster says no

Would that be the six county 'occupied' Ulster, the three county 'free state' Ulster, the nine county provincial Ulster, or the non geographical Unionist Ulster?:pac:

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 23-10-2013 11:57AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I find that people who use the term "occupied 6 counties" tend not, themselves, to be occupied with anything other than drinking cans, wearing celtic shirts and protesting the queen.

Hey, I drink cans and wear a Celtic jersey sometimes, I also dislike the queen of England yet have never referred to the north as the "occupied 6 counties".

Have I melted your head?

:rolleyes:

The Backwards Man · 23-10-2013 11:59AM

darragh16 wrote: »

Why don't you refer to it as Derry/Londonderry to wind up unionists, even though hardly anyone calls it Londonderry.

I do. Londonderry to wind up the RA heads, Doire Calgach to wind up the Billy boys.:)

I Heart Internet · 23-10-2013 12:00PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Hey, I drink cans and wear a Celtic jersey sometimes, I also dislike the queen of England yet have never referred to the north as the "occupied 6 counties".

Have I melted your head?

:rolleyes:

MIND

BLOWN

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 12:03PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Ulster says no

But its eyes say yes.

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 12:04PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Would that be the six county 'occupied' Ulster, the three county 'free state' Ulster, the nine county provincial Ulster, or the non geographical Unionist Ulster?:pac:

The ancient Ulster that took in parts of the Oriel area like north Louth. North Louth is very ulster, doesnt have a Leinster vibe at all.

padd b1975 · 23-10-2013 12:05PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Does it annoy anyone else when the North is referred to as such by armchair republican types? Was in a conversation with one the other day and he used the term repeatedly (and non-ironically). The funny thing is that this dude was only born in the late 80's (and so, I'd be surprised if he remembered anything about the troubles), came from the leafy suburbs of south Dublin and went to an expensive private school - just decided to take up "the cause" in the last few years

Sounds like a male version of Mary Lou...

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 12:06PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Sounds like a male version of Mary Lou...

Still waiting to hear why being from Dublin, being well off or being born in the 80s bars you from having an opinion on the future of your country.

AngeGal · 23-10-2013 12:08PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I use these terms, and others such as Londonderry for Doire Calgach, and Britian to describe Northern Ireland, all the time if I know if it will wind people up. People who get annoyed by these things are very sad individuals, in my experience.

Is it not a reflection upon yourself that you have nothing better to do than wind up these 'very sad individuals'?

Karl Stein · 23-10-2013 12:10PM

I don't believe your story. You don't talk to real people at all do you? In fact, I'd say you created this little tale so cyber-people would engage you in discussion and you'd feel less alone.

Here's how I see Ireland.

Yes, I'm on the International Space Station.

The Backwards Man · 23-10-2013 12:13PM

AngeGal wrote: »

Is it not a reflection upon yourself that you have nothing better to do than wind up these 'very sad individuals'?

Na. It only takes me a second or two to wind somebody up, takes them a lifetime to get over it.

padd b1975 · 23-10-2013 12:14PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Still waiting to hear why being from Dublin, being well off or being born in the 80s bars you from having an opinion on the future of your country.

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't.

Sisko · 23-10-2013 12:15PM

Meh,

I call Northern Ireland... Northern Ireland.. or sometimes... Norn Iron... or even sometimes... nee ner ny ner land.

I dislike Ireland being called 'the south" simply because its wrong. Even geographically its wrong. We're not like Korea with a line right through the middle...

Ireland is Ireland.

Northern Ireland is Northern Ireland.

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 12:15PM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

I don't believe your story. You don't talk to real people at all do you? In fact, I'd say you created this little tale so cyber-people would engage you in discussion and you'd feel less alone.

Here's how I see Ireland.

Yes, I'm on the International Space Station.

The International LONDONspace station, thank you very much

beardedmaster · 23-10-2013 12:17PM

In an unrelated matter... check out this class pic of Ireland I found!

http://i.imgur.com/dslG7wD.jpg

Crooked Jack · 23-10-2013 12:17PM

Sisko wrote: »

Meh,

I call Northern Ireland... Northern Ireland.. or sometimes... Norn Iron... or even sometimes... nee ner ny ner land.

I dislike Ireland being called 'the south" simply because its wrong. Even geographically its wrong. We're not like Korea with a line right through the middle...

Ireland is Ireland.

Northern Ireland is Northern Ireland.

I live in south Armagh and therefor geographically further south than people in parts of Monaghan, Cavan, Lietrim, Sligo and all of Donegal.

Carlos Orange · 23-10-2013 12:19PM

Sisko wrote: »

I dislike Ireland being called 'the south" simply because its wrong. Even geographically its wrong. We're not like Korea with a line right through the middle...

I do find it strange when anti partitionist types call people from Dublin southerners. Shouldn't they be easterners?

"Occupied 6 counties"

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