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Kenny declares war on welfare culture

  • 21-10-2013 12:34PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭


    FIONNAN SHEAHAN GROUP POLITICAL EDITOR – 21 OCTOBER 2013

    TAOISEACH Enda Kenny is promising to intensify government action to end what he describes as "welfare dependency".

    Mr Kenny is pledging changes to target the so-called "welfare traps" which create a disincentive to work.

    Writing in today's Irish Independent, he robustly defends the controversial cut to dole payments for young unemployed people in last week's Budget, saying: "We cannot allow welfare dependency to take root."

    Mr Kenny is indicating the move is just the start of a series of measures to tackle the welfare culture. "A whole new approach to work activation and welfare reform is required to break the cycle of welfare dependency," he says.

    Fine Gael's message is also directed at taxpayers contributing to the cost of public services. Mr Kenny and Finance Minister Michael Noonan have been deliberately pitching the crackdown on dole and medical cards to the taxpayers who are footing the bill.

    Mr Kenny says the Government is only in the "early phases" of social welfare reform and has plans for much more to come.

    Among the measures in the pipeline, he says the Government will bring in external private sector companies to help the unemployed find work.

    "We will target the welfare traps that prevent families taking up work," he says.

    The Government's reduction in social welfare payments for the under 25s was one of the most contentious aspects of last week's Budget.

    Fine Gael wanted to go even further in cutting social welfare, but was blocked by the Labour Party.

    But Mr Kenny is pledging to intensify efforts to reduce long-term unemployment and welfare dependency. He says while the private sector is now creating 3,000 jobs a month, we can't rely on economic growth alone to reduce unemployment.

    Mr Kenny says the number of jobless households went up by 50pc, from 10pc to 15pc, at the height of the boom.

    When the economic crash happened, this figure increased to more than one in every five households.

    "This is unacceptable and can't be allowed to fester, otherwise we'll be living with the long-term social and economic consequences for years to come," he says.

    Mr Kenny referred to OECD recommendations that are focused on providing more 'work activation' schemes and not passive income supports. "In other words, our young people should be continuing in education and training, not languishing on dole queues," he says.

    RIGHTS

    In the Budget, the Government changed the dole payments for unemployed young people. Already, young people didn't get the full €188 a week dole payment, instead being paid a lower rate. Up until now, young people aged 18 to 21 received €100 a week and those aged 22 to 24 got €144.

    The €100 rate will now be applied to people aged 22 to 24. At 25, jobseekers who were getting €188 will now get €144.

    A jobseeker won't get the full €188 rate until he or she turns 26. The changes will only apply to new entrants to the Live Register and won't affect existing recipients.

    In the UK, Jobseekers' Allowance is paid for six months, and ranges from £56.80 (€67.12) for people aged 16 to 24 years, rising to £71.70 (€84.73) for those 25 and over.

    In Germany, unemployment benefit is based the salary prior to becoming unemployed, and is generally two-thirds of gross earnings. It can be claimed for up to 12 months. In Spain, benefits are also based on earnings with a minimum benefit of €497 per month, up to a maximum of €1,397 for couples with two or more children.
    Have to say I'm delighted this is finally being taken seriously. If they were prepared to seriously tackle welfare the welfare culture and problems here, the savings could be used for job creation, infrastructure, hiring more teachers, nurses, guardai (if needed and only an example)...


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    While he is largely right it is a hugely complex problem to solve, has any modern welfare state ever sorted this problem out? Even in the US where is not a welfare state in the way Europe is you still get complaints about welfare dependants.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    From what I hear Germany has it right. Welfare payments in Ireland are one of the highest in the world, not something that is sustainable given that we are broke and borrowing 1 Billion a month to pay the bills. Labour as usual blocking reform.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭henryporter


    jank wrote: »
    From what I hear Germany has it right. Welfare payments in Ireland are one of the highest in the world, not something that is sustainable given that we are broke and borrowing 1 Billion a month to pay the bills. Labour as usual blocking reform.

    Don't worry - Labour won't have much of a say in the next Government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Elephant Man from china


    It was great to read an article like this.. Enda wants to do this but is being held back the scrounger supporting communists he is in coalition with.

    It's a total joke that the middle classes are paying some of the highest effective tax rates in Europe but get the fewest services. While the scrounger class get literally everything for free and there is no push yo get them back to work / work for their benefits.they are being protected to the hilt by a government party. There is no reason for anyone in Dublin to be unemployed, the capital has full employment. Everyone knows this, but few will say it.

    If Enda carries through with this he gets my vote in the next election


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭joi99


    It was great to read an article like this.. Enda wants to do this but is being held back the scrounger supporting communists he is in coalition with.

    It's a total joke that the middle classes are paying some of the highest effective tax rates in Europe but get the fewest services. While the scrounger class get literally everything for free and there is no push yo get them back to work / work for their benefits.they are being protected to the hilt by a government party. There is no reason for anyone in Dublin to be unemployed, the capital has full employment. Everyone knows this, but few will say it.

    If Enda carries through with this he gets my vote in the next election

    Bulls**t!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Great man for the soundbite is Enda Kenny. Last week he told the Dail that discretionary medical cards were not being taken away from patients with longterm serious illnesses, when the fact is they ARE being taken away from them, which makes him either a liar, an idiot or both.

    This week he decides he wants to launch a crusade against people on welfare, thus deflecting against the continued mismanagement of the country by self-interested politicians. He's nothing more than a blueshirt fascist pig.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It sounds like someone's finally realised why they were voted in... A "Let Bartlett be Bartlett" moment for Irish politics?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭fl4pj4ck


    This is what this country needs! More declarations!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Elephant Man from china


    joi99 wrote: »
    Bulls**t!

    No it's not.. The capital is booming.even my friends who were in construction and didn't work for months at a time are all employed and going from job to job with little to no down time.

    The tide has turned in Dublin almost a year ago now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Elephant Man from china


    Great man for the soundbite is Enda Kenny. Last week he told the Dail that discretionary medical cards were not being taken away from patients with longterm serious illnesses, when the fact is they ARE being taken away from them, which makes him either a liar, an idiot or both.

    This week he decides he wants to launch a crusade against people on welfare, thus deflecting against the continued mismanagement of the country by self-interested politicians. He's nothing more than a blueshirt fascist pig.

    By the time Enda is finished I'm confident he will be one of Ireland's great reformers. Comments like "blue shirt" and "fascist" show he's making a good start


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,855 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    No it's not.. The capital is booming.even my friends who were in construction and didn't work for months at a time are all employed and going from job to job with little to no down time.

    The tide has turned in Dublin almost a year ago now.

    Dublin is hopping the past 2 years. Look at the traffic on the M50 as a barometer even. One of Europes hotspots.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No it's not.. The capital is booming.even my friends who were in construction and didn't work for months at a time are all employed and going from job to job with little to no down time.

    The tide has turned in Dublin almost a year ago now.

    I am not saying you are not right, however short contracts, agency work and less that full hours is not full employment and while a lot are working it is often not on full hours, plus there is starting to be talk of the housing market overheating in Dublin again. That's not solving the unemployment problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    By the time Enda is finished I'm confident he will be one of Ireland's great reformers.

    This made me lol :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Elephant Man from china


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I am not saying you are not right, however short contracts, agency work and less that full hours is not full employment and while a lot are working it is often not on full hours.


    If you are referring to construction jobs this is very possible. But every sector here is doing very well.

    If you want to see the tangible evidence of the Dublin boom you can see everyday signs before the economic data proves it.
    the number of people in pubs / restaurants and you will see that (the ones which aren't rubbish) are busy every night.

    as another poster said, look at how busy public transport and the roads are.

    how busy shopping centres are at the weekends.

    This alone tells it's own story that Employment, wages, everything is up in Dublin..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The volume of rush hour traffic on the M50 the last 3 months or so would certainly suggest that Dublin is well on the road to recovery alright...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have no time for the life time on welfare types however I think there is a big disconnect between welfare and work some examples. These need to be tackled along with welfare reform.

    The cost of child care.

    The mass canalisation of work and how to integrate this with with welfare supports.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    No it's not.. The capital is booming.even my friends who were in construction and didn't work for months at a time are all employed and going from job to job with little to no down time.

    The tide has turned in Dublin almost a year ago now.

    What parts of the capital? Which industries specifically? Just because a few of your mates in one specific sector of the economy are going from job to job with little to no downtime doesn't mean "the capital is booming".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I have no time for the life time on welfare types however I think there is a big disconnect between welfare and work some examples. These need to be tackled along with welfare reform.

    The cost of child care.

    The mass canalisation of work and how to integrate this with with welfare supports.

    Pardon my ignorance but what does that word mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    jank wrote: »
    From what I hear Germany has it right. Welfare payments in Ireland are one of the highest in the world, not something that is sustainable given that we are broke and borrowing 1 Billion a month to pay the bills. Labour as usual blocking reform.

    The German system is a lot fairer when you are suddenly unemployed, it pays around 66% of your previous years salary for 12 months. This means that you don't suddenly fall into a situation where you can't pay your bills as any properly functioning household can easily live from 66%.

    It also does't reward long term unemployment, unlike the Irish system. Once the 12 months are up and you are still unemployed then you have to liquidate assets in order to get further assistance. So if you have a big car, or 2 small cars, or a larger house than deemed necessary, etc. then these will all need to be sold off and only then will you get further assistance once you have used up the proceeds.

    And even then you don't get anything like the handouts in Ireland. They will also set you up with work, and if you refuse to take the job your benefits are reduced until you are eventually left on the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    I think the vast majority of long term unemployed who are genuinely looking for work will welcome any support in finding a job if thats whats being offered.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    With all these "welfare traps" eradicated and people back to work, can we expect a reduction in taxes and more of our hard earned money staying in our pay checks?
















    No, thought not...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    We all partied...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 196 ✭✭July Rain


    Is enda Kenny himself really that different from somebody on welfare ? He has never earned a cent in his life that didn't come from the exchequer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Mountjoy Mugger


    jank wrote: »
    From what I hear Germany has it right. Welfare payments in Ireland are one of the highest in the world, not something that is sustainable given that we are broke and borrowing 1 Billion a month to pay the bills.

    I was listening to a news item on BBC Radio 5 where British ex-Pats were saying that it was a lot easier to get decent money from the German state than from UK.

    It's a matter of perception. Unless you've been there and worn the hair shirt, you can't really make a call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The volume of rush hour traffic on the M50 the last 3 months or so would certainly suggest that Dublin is well on the road to recovery alright...
    I take the M50 once a month at peak morning hours and despite the fact the toll bridge is now gone, I am still sitting in stop and go traffic on a motorway with 4 lanes in places, its not like you are even crawling in first or second, its ridiculous!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    I was listening to a news item on BBC Radio 5 where British ex-Pats were saying that it was a lot easier to get decent money from the German state than from UK.

    It's a matter of perception. Unless you've been there and worn the hair shirt, you can't really make a call.

    That could be true - but to be fair Ireland has given free housing free health and free cash for decades to those that refuse to take a low paying job because it doesn't pay enough to match what the state is paying.

    I think politics(Enda et al) aside - we're under major pressure from Europe to unify welfare across Europe. Europe is looking for a mobile workforce. Also Europe doesn't see people traveling to other European states as emigration, they see it as a way of fixing demand led skills shortages. This is the future. The future is brighter for an Ireland that is really ran by Europe not gombeens in the Dáil. So if somebody says that Enda is a puppet for the Troika and for the European Union - I would agree - but I would add that everybody after him will be too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,069 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I would agree with paying out a reasonable dole on condition that those receiving it work at least 20 hours doing designated jobs in the community.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Why isn't Enda getting carried away with the multiple pension lifestyle enjoyed by failed politicians, many of whom are working elsewhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    I would agree with paying out a reasonable dole on condition that those receiving it work at least 20 hours doing designated jobs in the community.

    We have CE Scheme already,would not want to see these people pushed out who enjoy working in the community, just to give it to someone who has never worked who couldn't give a dam about community.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Maura74


    I would agree with paying out a reasonable dole on condition that those receiving it work at least 20 hours doing
    designated jobs in the community.

    I agree, any kind of work for young people is charter building, young people starting out in life needs that experience.


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