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Anonymous objecting to planning?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    hexosan wrote: »
    Bit harsh

    I know your free to privately have those thoughts but the Mods don't generally allow you to publicly broadcast them. :eek:

    He probably should of posted that comment anonymously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 SuzysueSarah


    Hello, I work in planning. Annonymous objections won't be accepted. If you decide to go ahead and make one anyway stick to planning grounds only. The planners won't take anything else into account.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Dr. Sh1te


    Hello, I work in planning. Annonymous objections won't be accepted. If you decide to go ahead and make one anyway stick to planning grounds only. The planners won't take anything else into account.

    Thanks, any examples ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 SuzysueSarah


    Hello, I work in planning. Annonymous objections won't be accepted. If you decide to go ahead and make one anyway stick to planning grounds only. The planners won't take anything else into account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 SuzysueSarah


    Basic planning policy would be the main one, check what the development plan says about your area. Otherwise traffic, drainage, visual impact would be common issues for one off houses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    People are/were missing a point.

    It seems the OP would have objected to the first PP but he didnt want to fall out with his neighbour so he decided against it.

    I think this is why he is asking if its possible to object anonymously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭hexosan


    People are/were missing a point.

    It seems the OP would have objected to the first PP but he didnt want to fall out with his neighbour so he decided against it.

    I think this is why he is asking if its possible to object anonymously.

    The OP still hasn't given a valid reason for objecting to the application apart from the fact he doesn't want him building there.

    At some point 30+ years ago the OP was allowed to build his house.
    Pay it forward.

    This mans parents live in the area and I assume he grew up there so he has every right to look to build a house in the area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    People are/were missing a point.

    It seems the OP would have objected to the first PP but he didnt want to fall out with his neighbour so he decided against it.

    I think this is why he is asking if its possible to object anonymously.

    But from the sound of it the OP has NO VALID REASON to object to the planning. He simply doesn't want anyone else to live on his little rural lane way.

    That is not, has never been and will not be a valid reason for a planning objection. If he had a valid reason I'd imagine he might have mentioned it.
    House not in keeping with rural character, overlooking existing development, sightlines etc. etc.

    He didn't mention any of that though did he? His only motivation seems to be :
    Dr. Sh1te wrote: »
    I have since decided that I do not want my neighbours son building a house next to mine(quite rural location)

    Dr. Sh1te wrote: »
    For info my neighbour's son and his whole family would be on social welfare as he is not working now

    None of which makes for a well grounded objection to any planning application now does it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    In fairness to the OP, even though nearly all objections to residential development will cite reasons such as building mass, overlooking, traffic -- the real reason for many objections is pure and simple nimbyism. It happens in rural areas, and it happens in suburban and city areas too. And lets face it, there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody wants the immediate area around where they have lived their whole life drastically altered.

    I think the OP's worry that the new occupants with their urban values may take issue with traditional farming practices is valid. It mightn't get a planning application refused, but it is not an unfounded fear. This seems to be the main problem, apart from obvious worries such as overlooking and noise.

    All counties will have cut the countryside up into several designations. If the OP lives in an "Area of Urban Influence" (may be called something slightly different) then there will be heavy restrictions on who can build a house on unzoned land. Seeing as there has been a previously successful application, it is likely that this does not pose a problem for the application. However, the Development Plan may have changed in the interim.

    Also worth bearing in mind is that you can always make your views known without it coming across as a heavy "objection". AFAIK all letters received regarding an application are called "observations" anyway, which is far less contentious. It is quite possible (and fairly common) to send a letter explicitly stating that you are not objecting to the development, but that you wish the planning authority to take your worries into consideration. It would be best to cite actual planning-related worries, and not your own personal fears. Common ones include sight-lines on exiting a driveway, overlooking, potential for flooding, odour from septic tanks, removal of hedgerows, building height/mass.... put them all in. If you frame it in a positive way (wanting to maintain the character of the area) and avoid mentioning having any problem with the applicant himself, it won't do as much damage to your relationship with him or his father. Think of it as a letter reminding the planning authority that they have to do their job right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭grazeaway


    Getting back to the original topic.

    No you cannot object with out giving a name. This is to stop cranks from objecting for the sake of it.

    If you have justifiable reasons like location and size then these can be lodged with the coco.

    As your farming predates their building you can contact the planning authority to inform them that things like milking machines, spreading Slurry, having. Cows bellowing and any other farming activity cannot Be effected by the new development. I have seen this included in conditions for new builds in rural areas to prevent new people objecting to farming interests. This came to a head for a neighbour who was at the point of having to give up milking after someone objected to the noise after they built a house across the road from his yard.

    As for the reasons why you may not want that particular family living nearby these are not really grounds you can object on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,662 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Apologies for delay, folks. Checked thread yesterday but before that was posted. Abusive post and replies to it deleted, and poster banned. Thanks to all who reported it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Cork selfbuild


    Dr. Sh1te wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I am just looking for some advice re objecting to planning permission for a house, which is due to built opposite my house (rural location)


    Basically a neighbours son bought a 2 acre feild across from my house at the peak of the boom and had intended building a 3400 square foot house and 1700 garage, then the recession hit and the house was never built.

    just out of curiosity who sold him the land? Presuming not his father considering the son bought it?

    I dont know the answer to this, but given its rural and location to your house, did you sell him the land? If you sold it to him and now don't want him building there, you could buy it back? Or if it wan another land owner, and you really didn't want him living there and you were in a position to, would you approach the son to see if he would sell it? Bit of an extreme solution... But....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    Slightly off topic but similar theme - is it possible to complain about a breach of planning permission by my neighbours and get planning officials to take it from there, without my name coming into it as far as the neighbours are concerned? Happy for the planners to know who I am, but have to live with the neighbours!

    For example, would it be plausible for planners to carry out 'unprompted' spot checks on building progress to ensure it is in compliance, or does this ever happen?

    Really annoyed about what they've done - it's completely different from their planning permission, and affects my property in a major way.

    Thanks.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    radia wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but similar theme - is it possible to complain about a breach of planning permission by my neighbours and get planning officials to take it from there, without my name coming into it as far as the neighbours are concerned? Happy for the planners to know who I am, but have to live with the neighbours!

    For example, would it be plausible for planners to carry out 'unprompted' spot checks on building progress to ensure it is in compliance, or does this ever happen?

    Really annoyed about what they've done - it's completely different from their planning permission, and affects my property in a major way.

    Thanks.

    Take photos - discretely - and take them in to the Planners. You'll have to give planners your name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    Take photos - discretely - and take them in to the Planners. You'll have to give planners your name.
    Good idea, for initial communication with the planners, but the photos would obviously be taken from my property. So if my name were to be kept out of it from the neighbours' perspective, the planners couldn't use the photos but would have to visit the building site to see the breach. Would it seem plausible to the architect/builder/neighbours that they'd do that unprompted, i.e. routine spot-check kind of thing?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    radia wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but similar theme - is it possible to complain about a breach of planning permission by my neighbours and get planning officials to take it from there, without my name coming into it as far as the neighbours are concerned? Happy for the planners to know who I am, but have to live with the neighbours!

    For example, would it be plausible for planners to carry out 'unprompted' spot checks on building progress to ensure it is in compliance, or does this ever happen?

    Really annoyed about what they've done - it's completely different from their planning permission, and affects my property in a major way.

    Thanks.

    You have to make a complaint in writing or email to the enforcement section of your LA. You have to include your name and address but these are confidential and will not be released to anybody, not even FOI request.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Local Authority planners do not make it their business to go around checking for enforcement opportunities, particularly in rural areas. The main way of finding out if there is unauthorised development is by tipoffs from the public. They will take it very seriously both for planning reasons and for the fact that it can end up being lucrative for the Council.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Aard wrote: »
    Local Authority planners do not make it their business to go around checking for enforcement opportunities, particularly in rural areas. The main way of finding out if there is unauthorised development is by tipoffs from the public. They will take it very seriously both for planning reasons and for the fact that it can end up being lucrative for the Council.

    Judging by priory hall, it looks like they don't do any checking. Anywhere!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Judging by priory hall, it looks like they don't do any checking. Anywhere!

    Priory Hall was primarily a construction issue, not a planning issue.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Judging by priory hall, it looks like they don't do any checking. Anywhere!

    Priory hall was a screw over by a greedy private sector developer hell bent on maximizing his profit at the expense if ordinary home owners who employed surveyors to inspect the properties prior to purchase.

    Every loop in the system failed, and to be honest, it's not the councils job to certify private development since the implementation if self certification.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    kceire wrote: »
    You have to make a complaint in writing or email to the enforcement section of your LA. You have to include your name and address but these are confidential and will not be released to anybody, not even FOI request.

    Great - that's reassuring. They'll probably guess I've contacted the Council anyway, but if there's room for doubt it might help to smooth relations a bit.

    Nonetheless annoying that relations will probably deteriorate a bit since I'll probably end up cast as the bad guy (mean neighbour complaining) in their heads, even though they're the ones that are in the wrong and trying to screw me over. If they'd put in an application for what they've now done, I'd have objected and I'm pretty confident that the planners would have rejected the application. So to see them try to weasel their way to what they want, with a significant impact on my property, probably counting on me not wanting to rock the boat, is sly.
    Aard wrote: »
    Local Authority planners do not make it their business to go around checking for enforcement opportunities, particularly in rural areas. The main way of finding out if there is unauthorised development is by tipoffs from the public. They will take it very seriously both for planning reasons and for the fact that it can end up being lucrative for the Council.

    Ok - thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭john_cappa


    What they do?


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