Anonymous objecting to planning?

Dr. Sh1te

Hi all,

I am just looking for some advice re objecting to planning permission for a house, which is due to built opposite my house (rural location)


Basically a neighbours son bought a 2 acre feild across from my house at the peak of the boom and had intended building a 3400 square foot house and 1700 garage, then the recession hit and the house was never built.


I have since decided that I do not want my neighbours son building a house next to mine(quite rural location)


My neighbour has since informed me that the planning permission for the house has expired and that his son now intends to apply for planning permission again.


When his son does apply for PP again, does anyone know is it possible to anonymously object to the PP, as I don't know if I could publicly object and risk falling out with my neighbour and then have his son build next to me knowing I didn't want him to built.


For info my neighbour's son and his whole family would be on social welfare as he is not working now, but I gather from my elderly neighbour that he is determined to see his son build on this site I can imagine him supplying monies for planning/building etc. He was granted planning permission first back in 2007, and I now think planning regulations have changed since then as the site is of a daub gley rushy nature, maybe the site might not be suitable to build on.


Just looking to see if anyone would have advice for someone in my situation.


Thanks

Dr. Sh1te

Sorry forgot to mention,

I'm a farmer and also fear of this now " urban" based man and his family objecting to me spreading slurry or building cow houses in future.


Thanks again.

hexosan

No you can no longer object anonymoously to planning and for a very good reason.
What's the valid basis for your objection apart for the fact you just don't want him to build there.

martinn123

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

Sorry forgot to mention,

I'm a farmer and also fear of this now " urban" based man and his family objecting to me spreading slurry or building cow houses in future.


Thanks again.

I would presume, as a farmer, you are permitted to spread slurry, maybe subject to some EPA reg's but I am not in farming, and if you need to build Cow Houses, you either have an exemption from planning, or need to apply, same as everyone else.
So why do you want to object?
Is it because he is on Social Welfare? Surely not.

hexosan

martinn123 wrote: »

Is it because he is on Social Welfare? Surely not.

Sure seems that way.

This looks like a case of I want to be able to do anything I want in the countryside but I don't want anyone else doing it.

Dr. Sh1te

martinn123 wrote: »

I would presume, as a farmer, you are permitted to spread slurry, maybe subject to some EPA reg's but I am not in farming, and if you need to build Cow Houses, you either have an exemption from planning, or need to apply, same as everyone else.
So why do you want to object?
Is it because he is on Social Welfare? Surely not.

The fact he is on social welfare does not bother me, sure half the country is on the dole as they say.

I have been living in my location for over 30 years,
For privacy reasons mostly it's a very quiet road I live on.

martinn123

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

The fact he is on social welfare does not bother me, sure half the country is on the dole as they say.

I have been living in my location for over 30 years,
For privacy reasons mostly it's a very quiet road I live on.

Did he apply for permission for the 3400 Sqft house etc, and how did you feel at the time. Before the recession.

john_cappa

Why were you not afraid in 2007?

Either way sounds like you have no grounds and your objection will mean nothing.

Dr. Sh1te

Yes but I did not object, nor will I object again, unless of course it could have been done anonoymously!!

hexosan

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

The fact he is on social welfare does not bother me, sure half the country is on the dole as they say.

I have been living in my location for over 30 years,
For privacy reasons mostly it's a very quiet road I live on.

If its not a problem then why mention it, what relevance does it have. As others have said it seems like you have no basis for objection unless you can provide any further info.
How long has this man's father lived in the area.

You can't object without it going on file, name, reasons, etc. You've no right to privacy, as in if you say the house is too close to yours. You really have no reasons to object, so you just have to grin and bear it. You'd never know, it may be the best thing ever to happen to you.

hexosan

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

Yes but I did not object, nor will I object again, unless of course it could have been done anonoymously!!

If your not willing to object in person then you clearly have no valid grounds for objection.

martinn123

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

I have been living in my location for over 30 years,
For privacy reasons mostly it's a very quiet road I live on.

Well if it were me, I'd say good luck with your application, if you build a house as it's such a quiet road, I will drop you over a few pints of milk, from my cows, maybe an egg or two, if you keep chickens, I will keep an eye on your kids as they walk home from the School Bus, and if a Hi/Ace. Van appears in your yard I will investigate.
In return, if I have a problem with a beast calving at 3am, I will ring you, and know you will help me out.


But that's just me.......

Dr. Sh1te

hexosan wrote: »

If its not a problem then why mention it, what relevance does it have. As others have said it seems like you have no basis for objection unless you can provide any further info.
How long has this man's father lived in the area.

It was mentioned because are the banks going to lend someone on SW to build a house??,

I personally can not seeing him building the house as he's in his 40's, worked in the building trade, his wife is housewife and they have a young family,

That's why I can't see someone in his situation building a house.

Dr. Sh1te

martinn123 wrote: »

Well if it were me, I'd say good luck with your application, if you build a house as it's such a quiet road, I will drop you over a few pints of milk, from my cows, maybe an egg or two, if you keep chickens, I will keep an eye on your kids as they walk home from the School Bus, and if a Hi/Ace. Van appears in your yard I will investigate.
In return, if I have a problem with a beast calving at 3am, I will ring you, and know you will help me out.


But that's just me.......

You sound like the perfect neighbour, but unfortunately this man is not a farmer.

murrayp4

What would your objection be based on?

hexosan

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

It was mentioned because are the banks going to lend someone on SW to build a house??,

I personally can not seeing him building the house as he's in his 40's, worked in the building trade, his wife is housewife and they have a young family,

That's why I can't see someone in his situation building a house.

Wether or not the man can finance the build is his business and his alone.

Is he from the area all his life, how far is his home place from this site.

michael999999

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

It was mentioned because are the banks going to lend someone on SW to build a house??,

I personally can not seeing him building the house as he's in his 40's, worked in the building trade, his wife is housewife and they have a young family,

That's why I can't see someone in his situation building a house.

Maybe he got a grant from Europe like all farmers do!

Or am I just stereotyping like you.

Gumbo

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

It was mentioned because are the banks going to lend someone on SW to build a house??,

I personally can not seeing him building the house as he's in his 40's, worked in the building trade, his wife is housewife and they have a young family,

That's why I can't see someone in his situation building a house.

He could have a bag of cash from selling drugs to kids
He don't need a job then.

Dr. Sh1te

michael999999 wrote: »

Maybe he got a grant from Europe like all farmers do!

Or am I just stereotyping like you.

How is this relevant to the tread???

martinn123

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

You sound like the perfect neighbour, but unfortunately this man is not a farmer.

I was referring to you, as a good neighbour, not surprised you missed that.

Dr. Sh1te

hexosan wrote: »

Wether or not the man can finance the build is his business and his alone.

Is he from the area all his life, how far is his home place from this site.

He would live ~ 100 miles from the site.

michael999999

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

How is this relevant to the tread???

Because you said that you don't think he can afford to build the house because he's on the dole. A bit of a stereotype really, maybe when he was working he saved he's money.

hexosan

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

He would live ~ 100 miles from the site.

I though you originally said this man was a neighbour.

Dr. Sh1te

hexosan wrote: »

I though you originally said this man was a neighbour.

His father is a neighbour.

Dr. Sh1te

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

His father is a neighbour.

Is his father leaving him property in the area? Does he own the house he's living in now? They may be reasons the planners may turn down his application, but still not reasons for you to object.

d9oiu2wk07blr5

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

It was mentioned because are the banks going to lend someone on SW to build a house??,

I personally can not seeing him building the house as he's in his 40's, worked in the building trade, his wife is housewife and they have a young family,

That's why I can't see someone in his situation building a house.

The DSP could start to ask where he got the money to build a house if he's still on JA.

hexosan

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

His father is a neighbour.

How long has his father lived in the area.

I assume if you had kids you'd like to have them living close to you if it was an option.

martinn123

hexosan wrote: »

How long has his father lived in the area.

I assume if you had kids you'd like to have them living close to you if it was an option.

Did you really" thank" that abusive post ?

littleredspot

Op, whilst not agreeing with your mindset, I can see where you're coming from. Whether or not you could anonymously object doesn't really matter though unless you have a very good reason. "I don't want him there" thankfully isn't a good reason for a planning application to be turned down.

If you speak to someone who knows about the planning system in your area (eg an architect) they could look at the plans and perhaps find something more concrete to object on, eg sightline at the entrance, or the septic tank/ drainage issues (they've got stricter about these since the last planning permission I believe.) They may even be able to object on your behalf, keeping your name out of it.

That said the fact that there was a previous planning permission for a larger house will work against you. Also I'd imagine the house will be built directly by the guy while staying at his parents, possibly with savings or loans, and really that's none of your business.

hexosan

martinn123 wrote: »

Did you really" thank" that abusive post ?

In error & corrected

Gumbo

hexosan wrote: »

Bit harsh

I know your free to privately have those thoughts but the Mods don't generally allow you to publicly broadcast them. :eek:

He probably should of posted that comment anonymously.

SuzysueSarah

Hello, I work in planning. Annonymous objections won't be accepted. If you decide to go ahead and make one anyway stick to planning grounds only. The planners won't take anything else into account.

Dr. Sh1te

SuzysueSarah wrote: »

Hello, I work in planning. Annonymous objections won't be accepted. If you decide to go ahead and make one anyway stick to planning grounds only. The planners won't take anything else into account.

Thanks, any examples ?

SuzysueSarah

Hello, I work in planning. Annonymous objections won't be accepted. If you decide to go ahead and make one anyway stick to planning grounds only. The planners won't take anything else into account.

SuzysueSarah

Basic planning policy would be the main one, check what the development plan says about your area. Otherwise traffic, drainage, visual impact would be common issues for one off houses.

wandatowell

People are/were missing a point.

It seems the OP would have objected to the first PP but he didnt want to fall out with his neighbour so he decided against it.

I think this is why he is asking if its possible to object anonymously.

hexosan

wandatowell wrote: »

People are/were missing a point.

It seems the OP would have objected to the first PP but he didnt want to fall out with his neighbour so he decided against it.

I think this is why he is asking if its possible to object anonymously.

The OP still hasn't given a valid reason for objecting to the application apart from the fact he doesn't want him building there.

At some point 30+ years ago the OP was allowed to build his house.
Pay it forward.

This mans parents live in the area and I assume he grew up there so he has every right to look to build a house in the area.

wexie

wandatowell wrote: »

People are/were missing a point.

It seems the OP would have objected to the first PP but he didnt want to fall out with his neighbour so he decided against it.

I think this is why he is asking if its possible to object anonymously.

But from the sound of it the OP has NO VALID REASON to object to the planning. He simply doesn't want anyone else to live on his little rural lane way.

That is not, has never been and will not be a valid reason for a planning objection. If he had a valid reason I'd imagine he might have mentioned it.
House not in keeping with rural character, overlooking existing development, sightlines etc. etc.

He didn't mention any of that though did he? His only motivation seems to be :

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

I have since decided that I do not want my neighbours son building a house next to mine(quite rural location)

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

For info my neighbour's son and his whole family would be on social welfare as he is not working now

None of which makes for a well grounded objection to any planning application now does it?

Aard

In fairness to the OP, even though nearly all objections to residential development will cite reasons such as building mass, overlooking, traffic -- the real reason for many objections is pure and simple nimbyism. It happens in rural areas, and it happens in suburban and city areas too. And lets face it, there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody wants the immediate area around where they have lived their whole life drastically altered.

I think the OP's worry that the new occupants with their urban values may take issue with traditional farming practices is valid. It mightn't get a planning application refused, but it is not an unfounded fear. This seems to be the main problem, apart from obvious worries such as overlooking and noise.

All counties will have cut the countryside up into several designations. If the OP lives in an "Area of Urban Influence" (may be called something slightly different) then there will be heavy restrictions on who can build a house on unzoned land. Seeing as there has been a previously successful application, it is likely that this does not pose a problem for the application. However, the Development Plan may have changed in the interim.

Also worth bearing in mind is that you can always make your views known without it coming across as a heavy "objection". AFAIK all letters received regarding an application are called "observations" anyway, which is far less contentious. It is quite possible (and fairly common) to send a letter explicitly stating that you are not objecting to the development, but that you wish the planning authority to take your worries into consideration. It would be best to cite actual planning-related worries, and not your own personal fears. Common ones include sight-lines on exiting a driveway, overlooking, potential for flooding, odour from septic tanks, removal of hedgerows, building height/mass.... put them all in. If you frame it in a positive way (wanting to maintain the character of the area) and avoid mentioning having any problem with the applicant himself, it won't do as much damage to your relationship with him or his father. Think of it as a letter reminding the planning authority that they have to do their job right.

grazeaway

Getting back to the original topic.

No you cannot object with out giving a name. This is to stop cranks from objecting for the sake of it.

If you have justifiable reasons like location and size then these can be lodged with the coco.

As your farming predates their building you can contact the planning authority to inform them that things like milking machines, spreading Slurry, having. Cows bellowing and any other farming activity cannot Be effected by the new development. I have seen this included in conditions for new builds in rural areas to prevent new people objecting to farming interests. This came to a head for a neighbour who was at the point of having to give up milking after someone objected to the noise after they built a house across the road from his yard.

As for the reasons why you may not want that particular family living nearby these are not really grounds you can object on.

Penn

Apologies for delay, folks. Checked thread yesterday but before that was posted. Abusive post and replies to it deleted, and poster banned. Thanks to all who reported it.

Cork selfbuild

Dr. Sh1te wrote: »

Hi all,

I am just looking for some advice re objecting to planning permission for a house, which is due to built opposite my house (rural location)


Basically a neighbours son bought a 2 acre feild across from my house at the peak of the boom and had intended building a 3400 square foot house and 1700 garage, then the recession hit and the house was never built.

just out of curiosity who sold him the land? Presuming not his father considering the son bought it?

I dont know the answer to this, but given its rural and location to your house, did you sell him the land? If you sold it to him and now don't want him building there, you could buy it back? Or if it wan another land owner, and you really didn't want him living there and you were in a position to, would you approach the son to see if he would sell it? Bit of an extreme solution... But....

radia

Slightly off topic but similar theme - is it possible to complain about a breach of planning permission by my neighbours and get planning officials to take it from there, without my name coming into it as far as the neighbours are concerned? Happy for the planners to know who I am, but have to live with the neighbours!

For example, would it be plausible for planners to carry out 'unprompted' spot checks on building progress to ensure it is in compliance, or does this ever happen?

Really annoyed about what they've done - it's completely different from their planning permission, and affects my property in a major way.

Thanks.

radia

radia wrote: »

Slightly off topic but similar theme - is it possible to complain about a breach of planning permission by my neighbours and get planning officials to take it from there, without my name coming into it as far as the neighbours are concerned? Happy for the planners to know who I am, but have to live with the neighbours!

For example, would it be plausible for planners to carry out 'unprompted' spot checks on building progress to ensure it is in compliance, or does this ever happen?

Really annoyed about what they've done - it's completely different from their planning permission, and affects my property in a major way.

Thanks.

Take photos - discretely - and take them in to the Planners. You'll have to give planners your name.

radia

Deleted User wrote: »

Take photos - discretely - and take them in to the Planners. You'll have to give planners your name.

Good idea, for initial communication with the planners, but the photos would obviously be taken from my property. So if my name were to be kept out of it from the neighbours' perspective, the planners couldn't use the photos but would have to visit the building site to see the breach. Would it seem plausible to the architect/builder/neighbours that they'd do that unprompted, i.e. routine spot-check kind of thing?

Gumbo

radia wrote: »

Slightly off topic but similar theme - is it possible to complain about a breach of planning permission by my neighbours and get planning officials to take it from there, without my name coming into it as far as the neighbours are concerned? Happy for the planners to know who I am, but have to live with the neighbours!

For example, would it be plausible for planners to carry out 'unprompted' spot checks on building progress to ensure it is in compliance, or does this ever happen?

Really annoyed about what they've done - it's completely different from their planning permission, and affects my property in a major way.

Thanks.

You have to make a complaint in writing or email to the enforcement section of your LA. You have to include your name and address but these are confidential and will not be released to anybody, not even FOI request.

Aard

Local Authority planners do not make it their business to go around checking for enforcement opportunities, particularly in rural areas. The main way of finding out if there is unauthorised development is by tipoffs from the public. They will take it very seriously both for planning reasons and for the fact that it can end up being lucrative for the Council.

michael999999

Aard wrote: »

Local Authority planners do not make it their business to go around checking for enforcement opportunities, particularly in rural areas. The main way of finding out if there is unauthorised development is by tipoffs from the public. They will take it very seriously both for planning reasons and for the fact that it can end up being lucrative for the Council.

Judging by priory hall, it looks like they don't do any checking. Anywhere!

Aard

michael999999 wrote: »

Judging by priory hall, it looks like they don't do any checking. Anywhere!

Priory Hall was primarily a construction issue, not a planning issue.

Gumbo

michael999999 wrote: »

Judging by priory hall, it looks like they don't do any checking. Anywhere!

Priory hall was a screw over by a greedy private sector developer hell bent on maximizing his profit at the expense if ordinary home owners who employed surveyors to inspect the properties prior to purchase.

Every loop in the system failed, and to be honest, it's not the councils job to certify private development since the implementation if self certification.