Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

15-10-2013 05:16PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And if I let him continue to attack me and he punches me and I hit my head and die? This is the dilemma you face as a doorman do you defend yourself or become a victim?

That's why it's important to employ a doorman/woman with brains too, someone that can handle the situation without losing it.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 05:30PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Never said everyone could be talked down and I just gave one example being taught in the UK, I'm sure there are more aggressive ones for more dangerous situations but it doesnt involve heads going into pavements, breaking noses or making people sterile.

It sounds like what you think is a valid reason requires a very expensive solicitor.

Nope I just live in the real world.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 05:34PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

That's why it's important to employ a doorman/woman with brains too, someone that can handle the situation without losing it.

I agree.

So now.....at what point do you say enough Is enough....this guy has attacked me several times and I need to defend myself and I need to get rough because if I don't then I am going to end up in hospital. Do you do this after the first attack? The third? When do you decide you will not be a victim? The problem with street fights is inevitably it's going to get nasty and someone is going to get hurt.

Seachmall · 15-10-2013 05:46PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Never said everyone could be talked down and I just gave one example being taught in the UK, I'm sure there are more aggressive ones for more dangerous situations but it doesnt involve heads going into pavements, breaking noses or making people sterile.

It sounds like what you think is a valid reason requires a very expensive solicitor.

I don't agree with how the bouncer approached the situation, as far I'm concerned he instigated the fight, but the fact of the matter is that when you're in a fight you're in a fight and unless you want to risk being seriously injured or killed you better go all out to put the other guy down.

This idea that you can simply pull off some takedown or technique to restrain the other guy is utter bollocks.

Fights aren't choreographed like when you're learning techniques in the gym. If the opportunity for using some wrist lock or whatever presents itself then maybe it will work if you're lucky but in reality these things are messy and generally don't go as planned.

At the end of the day the law won't help you in a fight. You do what you must to win and walk away, even if that means explaining yourself to a judge. Rather that then lying in a hospital bed, or worse.

tfitzgerald · 15-10-2013 05:51PM

There was another doorman near by. I think he used way too much force, he could have killed the Man. IMHO the bouncer should get jail

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 05:56PM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

There was another doorman near by. I think he used way too much force, he could have killed the Man. IMHO the bouncer should get jail

The bouncer should have let him continually attack him?

Irlandczyk · 15-10-2013 06:05PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The bouncer should have let him continually attack him?

He never said that. He said he used too much force. Big difference.

P.Walnuts · 15-10-2013 06:08PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The bouncer should have let him continually attack him?

You see I think the problem here is that Bouncers would be expected, as part of their job description, to be able to deal with that situation better then the average joe on the street as they are professionals and it's part of the job.

So you asking people "What would you do" is utterly pointless, you're the professional, you should be able to deal with the situation in a way that doesn't risk killing a person..

If your only reaction is to react as a normal person would then what kind of professional are you?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 06:40PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

You see I think the problem here is that Bouncers would be expected, as part of their job description, to be able to deal with that situation better then the average joe on the street as they are professionals and it's part of the job.

So you asking people "What would you do" is utterly pointless, you're the professional, you should be able to deal with the situation in a way that doesn't risk killing a person..

If your only reaction is to react as a normal person would then what kind of professional are you?

Doormen are normal people, they don't go through some super training that helps them deal with situations. In 20 years i have never seen a situation like the one in the op but saying that i have been in worse situations and handled them using the force i deemed to be necessary.

I have never been arrested for any sort of violent incident but i have been questioned 3 times, when the guards saw the video from cctv it was dropped at that stage as it was shown i was always in the right. As i have stated before we don't know what happened leading up to this incident and therefore i refuse to make a judgement call on the doorman's behavior.

Fwiw i have searched several times today and have not seen anything about any arrests being made over this so maybe after seeing the full footage the police feel that he was warranted in his actions.

Howard Juneau · 15-10-2013 06:43PM

The incident happened 3 weeks ago, the bouncer has reportedly been attacked by this guy on more than one occasion before.
The guy in the blue shirt didnt make a complaint, he won't be making a complaint. Case closed.

SV · 15-10-2013 06:47PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

The incident happened 3 weeks ago, the bouncer has reportedly been attacked by this guy on more than one occasion before.
The guy I'm the blue shirt didnt make a complaint, he won't be making a complaint. Case closed.

Completely unrelated but is your username meant to sound like "How would ya know" ?

Howard Juneau · 15-10-2013 06:51PM

SV wrote: »

Completely unrelated but is your username meant to sound like "How would ya know" ?

You've got everyone trying it now

And yes, it is.

Seachmall · 15-10-2013 06:54PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

You've got everyone trying it now
And yes, it is.

Think those are my favourite type of usernames.

The sense of satisfaction when you sound then out and go "Ah, now I get it".

Howard Juneau · 15-10-2013 06:58PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Think those are my favourite type of usernames.

The sense of satisfaction when you sound then out and go "Ah, now I get it".

I do like the unusual names I must admit. There's a few beauties in here

Czarcasm · 15-10-2013 07:22PM

SV wrote: »

Completely unrelated but is your username meant to sound like "How would ya know" ?

Howard gets that a lot

Howard Juneau · 15-10-2013 07:29PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Howard gets that a lot

Amen brother!

B.A._Baracus · 15-10-2013 08:21PM

Just watched the video. Ultimately all involved are scumbags.

Bouncers have a right to defend themselves and that guy clearly wanted a fight. There is nothing wrong with the bouncer fighting him... however, dropping him on his head (which he could of killed him) and the second bouncer waiting in the wings in case his buddy needs help, rather than just helping to end the thing, makes them scumbags too.

There are sound bouncers and scumbag bouncers out there. My two cents is that they are the latter. The type just waiting to get it on with someone.

IvaBigWun · 18-10-2013 08:18PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

The incident happened 3 weeks ago, the bouncer has reportedly been attacked by this guy on more than one occasion before.
The guy in the blue shirt didnt make a complaint, he won't be making a complaint. Case closed.

Something is not adding up there. Maybe the club gave him a large bag of cash to go away

SV · 18-10-2013 08:21PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Something is not adding up there. Maybe the club gave him a large bag of cash to go away

Or maybe he realised he was being a twat and did the decent thing.

wazky · 18-10-2013 08:21PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Something is not adding up there. Maybe the club gave him a large bag of cash to go away

Maybe he realised he was acting the knobhead and in future will refrain from such knobhead behaviour, probably not though.

IvaBigWun · 18-10-2013 08:31PM

SV wrote: »

Or maybe he realised he was being a twat and did the decent thing.

The customer was assaulted here and that last wrestling style move on him could have killed him.

wazky wrote: »

Maybe he realised he was acting the knobhead and in future will refrain from such knobhead behaviour, probably not though.

As above!

SV · 18-10-2013 08:33PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

The customer was assaulted here and that last wrestling style move on him could have killed him.

As above!

The customer assaulted the bouncer too.

Or is it just that the person who loses the fight gets to charge the other person with assault?

end of the road · 18-10-2013 08:34PM

SV wrote: »

Or maybe he realised he was being a twat and did the decent thing.

the bouncer was a bigger twat then this lad could ever be, he didn't do the decent thing at all, he should have pressed charges and made sure that piece of vermin who threw him on his head went to jail, that would be doing the decent thing

SV · 18-10-2013 08:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

the bouncer was a bigger twat then this lad could ever be, he didn't do the decent thing at all, he should have pressed charges and made sure that piece of vermin who threw him on his head went to jail, that would be doing the decent thing

lol, yeah ok.

end of the road · 18-10-2013 08:38PM

SV wrote: »

The customer assaulted the bouncer too.

Or is it just that the person who loses the fight gets to charge the other person with assault?

the assault by the bouncer was much more serious, this wasn't self defence here, this was thuggery by a bit of power mad trash

SV · 18-10-2013 08:43PM

end of the road wrote: »

the assault by the bouncer was much more serious, this wasn't self defence here, this was thuggery by a bit of power mad trash

Ok so, if some guy attacks me on a night out(unprovoked) and I decide to fight back and end up getting the better of him and leaving him knocked out, should I be charged for assault? Or is it down to someone to determine if I was a bit OTT.

The lad attacking the bouncer deserved everything he got, he won't do it again.

IvaBigWun · 18-10-2013 08:45PM

SV wrote: »

The customer assaulted the bouncer too.

Or is it just that the person who loses the fight gets to charge the other person with assault?

The bouncer is trained to deal with these situations, he should have detained the customer for the police. Like, ya know, normal.

Instead he decided to channel Chuck Liddell.

SV · 18-10-2013 08:47PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

The bouncer is trained to deal with these situations, he should have detained the customer for the police. Like, ya know, normal.

Instead he decided to channel Chuck Liddell.

I think ya may look up the training door security are actually required to undertake for these situations before assuming they're trained for it.

Howard Juneau · 18-10-2013 08:48PM

IvaBigWun wrote: »

The customer was assaulted here and that last wrestling style move on him could have killed him.

As above!

Who said he was a customer?
reports said this guy had previous history with the doorman, chances are the guy was looking for trouble witg him personally, nothing to do with the nightclub & could explain why the other doorman didn't get involved

theblaqueguy · 18-10-2013 08:49PM

I think he got what he deserved don't start something you can't finish the bouncer certainly finished that guy!

Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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