Can you relate to modern chart music? (featuring Pitbull)

Blisterman · 18-10-2013 04:02PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Technically music has gotten better, technically. But they're working with formulas these days.

The youth of today are at a loss really, it's pretty much all been done at this stage. Since the synthesizer was invented music has gotten all there is to get out of sound. Bar humans getting super hearing that allows us to hear higher or lower frequencies I don't see how there can be any brand new music culture. The entirety of the music scene will be retro in one way or another from now on.

Reminds me of the quote from a Patent Officer in 1899:
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

There are nearly infinite possible ways of arranging and composing music. They're never going to run out of music. That's like saying they'll run out of ways of arranging words into books.

Howard Juneau · 18-10-2013 04:05PM

As long as Pearl Jam are still releasing good music I'm not too worried what Spanish diarrhoea pitbull is spouting.
The good outweighs the bad

ScumLord · 18-10-2013 04:06PM

Blisterman wrote: »

There are nearly infinite possible ways of arranging and composing music.

There isn't really, sure you could combine notes in any arrangement and say that's different but it wouldn't be music. The fact is there's a limited amount of notes which means there's a limited amount of combinations. It's a known issue and some are saying we'll run out of combinations in the next decade or two.

Nothing is infinite.

18-10-2013 04:07PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

Very sweeping statement tbh.
How do you define indie?
It's a very broad variety of music.

Well most stuff that gets played on "indie and alternative" shows on the radio is how I define it.

Libertines, Franz Ferdinand, Placebo, The Black Keys etc (I had to google for some names) and loads of the bands I don't even know that friends of mine listen to who are into that sort of thing. Of course there are an odd decent song from these bands but in general I don't like it.

Snako · 18-10-2013 04:10PM

"Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE".....

Jamsiek · 18-10-2013 04:33PM

Dexter Long Penny wrote: »

Well most stuff that gets played on "indie and alternative" shows on the radio is how I define it.

Libertines, Franz Ferdinand, Placebo, The Black Keys etc (I had to google for some names) and loads of the bands I don't even know that friends of mine listen to who are into that sort of thing. Of course there are an odd decent song from these bands but in general I don't like it.

I'm not a fan of Franz Ferdinand either tbh.

I haven't listened to the Libertines or Placebo in a long time but I remember liking some of their stuff.

I'm a fan of the Black Keys though, I just think their music is a refreshing change.

18-10-2013 04:46PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Franz Ferdinand either tbh.

I haven't listened to the Libertines or Placebo in a long time but I remember liking some of their stuff.

I'm a fan of the Black Keys though, I just think their music is a refreshing change.

As I said I just picked out them names at random to give you an idea of the type of stuff I'm on about. As I know they fit into it and I know a friend of mine listens to them and nearly anything in recent years that he likes I don't and vice versa.

I shouldn't have put the indie rock under the despise bracket in fairness as there is an odd decent song, I just find it boring music in general though but metal has no saving graces at all in my book so I will stand over the despise comment for that.

I have no doubt you would more than likely dislike a lot of the stuff I listen to. but that's the way it is with music.

Agricola · 18-10-2013 04:47PM

My mp3 player is a shrine to the 80s and 90s. Everyone says that the good music is out there, just buried behind all the gyrating pop tarts and gangsta rappers. Problem is Im not into music enough to go unearth it. The stuff I grew up liking happened to do well in the charts at the time and a lot of it was meaningful music that will be played for years to come. The stuff today is largely throwaway rubbish, the fast food of music.

I think too there was a certain endearing innocence even 20 years ago. We'll never see the likes of the stumbling first steps of Boyzone again. Nowadays the charts is packed with over managed kids, many of whom have nothing to offer bar good looks. They are so expertly setup to appeal to a certain demographic it's almost like watching 5 highly engineered androids on a stage. Yes, 1 direction!

18-10-2013 04:54PM

Agricola wrote: »

gangsta rappers.

The thing you have to remember is that, this is the good music to a lot of people.

e_e · 18-10-2013 04:59PM

Using the charts to criticize all music is a bit like using McDonalds to criticize all food.

e_e · 18-10-2013 05:06PM

With artists like Autechre, Tim Hecker, Death Grips, The Knife, Arcade Fire, Boards of Canada, Swans, Radiohead, Tom Waits, Flying Lotus, Grimes, Burial, Machinedrum, Bill Callahan, Boris, PJ Harvey etc etc etc still releasing music I still think we're in good shape.

Hell there's still countless recent singer-songwriters, metal bands and electronic musicians that I still want to check out. Problem is people are lazy and biased and have opinion on things they haven't even given a chance to.

Blisterman · 18-10-2013 05:06PM

ScumLord wrote: »

There isn't really, sure you could combine notes in any arrangement and say that's different but it wouldn't be music. The fact is there's a limited amount of notes which means there's a limited amount of combinations. It's a known issue and some are saying we'll run out of combinations in the next decade or two.

Nothing is infinite.

I said "nearly infinite".

According to this, based purely on the number of possible melodies alone, there are 34059943367449284484947168626829637 possible melodies.

http://everything2.com/title/How+many+melodies+are+there+in+the+universe%253F

Sure, 99.999% of them will sound crap, but that still leaves millions of potential melodies.

Multiply that by all the other things that vary between tracks: The beat, the lyrics, the instruments used, effects, how melodies are combined and arranged etc, and there's no possible way that humankind will ever run out of music.

ScumLord · 18-10-2013 05:19PM

Blisterman wrote: »

I said "nearly infinite".

According to this, based purely on the number of possible melodies alone, there are 34059943367449284484947168626829637 possible melodies.

http://everything2.com/title/How+many+melodies+are+there+in+the+universe%253F

Sure, 99.999% of them will sound crap, but that still leaves millions of potential melodies.

Multiply that by all the other things that vary between tracks: The beat, the lyrics, the instruments used, effects, how melodies are combined and arranged etc, and there's no possible way that humankind will ever run out of music.

You also have to take into account that we've been using up those combinations for the past 10-80,000 years.

dirkmeister · 18-10-2013 05:30PM

One of those One Directioners was asked about their rip off of the Clash.

He said that there was only so many riffs people can come up with.

If ever I wanted to strangle someone.

Fighting Irish · 18-10-2013 05:32PM

Festy wrote: »

Music today is ****ing sh1te

pop music throughout the decades has always been ****e

LoganRice · 18-10-2013 06:14PM

Getting annoyed by charts music is worse than chart music itself and it can be good which is why I listen to it. In this modern generation where hashtags are dominant over entertainment and charts music has become a global phenomenon (thanks to the rise and impact of social media) a lot of things trend which seem immature like Nicki Minaj and One Direction but to get annoyed over it is actually ridiculous. It's essentially modern expression and I'm intellectually conforming by listening to it because I want to be part of it.

So I'm gonna keep listening to #Pitbull because I want to "Feel This Moment"

Femme_Fatale · 18-10-2013 09:24PM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Look back at what was number one at whatever date years ago, I can say with 96% certainty that it would have been awful, awful shite. Chart music is basically always going to be terrible, because it's homogenised and made to be palatable to the ones who will buy it.

Nah, I know people are saying "Everyone thinks youth culture is sh1t as they get older" and there's truth to that, but at the same time, I cannot accept chart music specifically (not all music, just chart/pop) was overall as crap 30 years ago as it is now.
The stuff going to number 1, like Duran Duran, The Human League, ABC and Adam & The Ants - that involved far more talent than its equivalent now, and had memorable tunes... not like the samey blandness churned out today. I was aged 3-6 for the likes of that lot so I'm not getting all misty-eyed for my teens.

There is still the odd good pop song (I really like Calvin Harris) and in the early to mid 2000s pop seemed to be getting quite good again IMO with the Timbaland/N.E.R.D. stuff, but the bland stuff still dominates overwhelmingly.

Tbh, "It's not getting crap, you're turning into an auld f'ucker" comments seem as bandwagon-jumping to me as giving out about what the youngsters are into.

The Big Smoke · 18-10-2013 09:27PM

Anyone over the age of 13 "into" one direction needs their head examined. Older female or male fans of one direction freak me out.

Femme_Fatale · 18-10-2013 09:29PM

The Big Smoke wrote: »

Anyone over the age of 13 "into" one direction needs their head examined. Older female or male fans of one direction freak me out.

30-something-year-old women going on about what a little ride this peachy-faced young boy is.
Weeeeeerdos.

The Big Smoke · 18-10-2013 09:31PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

30-something-year-old women going on about what a little ride this peachy-faced young boy is.
Weeeeeerdos.

A girl at my job has posters up of One direction, she is 25....

...and is so orange someone tried to put a candle in her mouth for Halloween.:D

Jamsiek · 18-10-2013 10:35PM

The Big Smoke wrote: »

A girl at my job has posters up of One direction, she is 25....

Obviously not her mental age!

grumula · 18-10-2013 10:43PM

Snako wrote: »

"Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE".....

HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ!
HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ,
HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ,

EVERYBODY!!!!!!!......................

razorgil · 18-10-2013 10:48PM

grumula wrote: »

HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ!
HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ,
HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ,

EVERYBODY!!!!!!!......................

wow, yeah, the smiths, there was a band, ahead of their time if you ask me. mind you, i'm really only pissed off that they're not around makin music now. everything else pales into insignificance....

grumula · 18-10-2013 10:53PM

razorgil wrote: »

wow, yeah, the smiths, there was a band, ahead of their time if you ask me. mind you, i'm really only pissed off that they're not around makin music now. everything else pales into insignificance....

ah now, not everything, great tunesmiths are sparse these days, but i usually find about 3 bands/artists per year that i find very good, and fúck it, there's always regression, dive back into the old.

grumula · 18-10-2013 10:54PM

grumula wrote: »

ah now, not everything, great tunesmiths are sparse these days, but i usually find about 3 bands/artists per year that i find very good, and fúck it, there's always regression, dive back into the old.

and i honestly did not mean that tunesmiths pun. whoops.

Bullchomper · 18-10-2013 10:55PM

No

Femme_Fatale · 18-10-2013 10:55PM

Bullchomper wrote: »

No

Strange. Seeing as your username is just like one of them shyte acts today. :pac:

The Big Smoke · 18-10-2013 11:15PM

Can't bate a bit of patsy cline. Everyone else is crazy.

paulbok · 18-10-2013 11:17PM

Blisterman wrote: »

The difference between now and before, is that 20 years ago, you could only find, maybe 100 singles in a record store. Now anyone has 20 million tracks at the click of a button, so while there's still a lot of great artists, and discerning music fans out there, sales are spread a lot more thinly between them, leaving X Factor and the likes to dominate the chart, even if their percentage share of sales is quite low.

These are 2 of the reasons for me as to why music now isn't appealing (in the general sense), it's so much more available either to buy/download or stream compared to 20 years ago. Then you have the likes of the xfactor deciding for most youth what they listen to.

Getting a new cd back then was a big deal, usually involved an hour or 2 browsing a store to pick out something and then you listened to it repeatedly until you got the next one as well as chats in/out of school with friends over a tape or cd you wanted to borrow (and perhaps "tape", illegal downloading is not that new of an issue. Also, with not using actual physical music media nowadays, I don't 'connect' with the album as much, I don't know the name of the tracks or recognise modern album covers.

Also there hasn't been a proper music scene in years. Growing up I remember the goth & new romantic years, the rise of acid, rave & baggy (80's), followed by grunge, britpop (90's) and the second phase of dance music either side of 2000. Not much to write of since then, music journos are tripping overthemselves to come up with the next 'genre' name andthey don't last, dubstep was around for how long?

There is a lot of good music out there still, I just find that despite the mp3 & you tube revolution, it's a little harder to find.
I heard Tom Dunne say a few months ago on the radio that if new music was stopped being made, he'd be quite happy to go backwards to rediscover forgotten bands and undiscovered ones from yester-year. I'm the same, there are loads of well know bands from the last 50 years that i never listened to properly that I need to sit down and listen to, The Clash is next on my list to get around to.

Femme_Fatale · 18-10-2013 11:19PM

Remember when your favourite tape broke? Greek tragedy. There was a chance you might not find those tracks again for a long time.

Can you relate to modern chart music? (featuring Pitbull)

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