Man arrested in Elaine O'Hara case

snowbabe · 17-10-2013 10:18PM

Jesus could you imagine getting the kids ready for school and trying to explain this to them,and then rte showing their house their car etc!, I hope the person is caught who did this to Elaine but the wife and kids did nothing!! I dont know why im thinking like this as usually when i hear of an arrest I think great he's caught,justice will be done and tbh I havent really thought of the family of the person arrested and charged .Maybe because their house and cars arent usually shown on the main Irish news?

Orangeapple · 17-10-2013 10:19PM

Papers have reported the guards have 1600 of cctv footage. So maybe there was cctv footage on roads, shopfront, pubs etc from the time Elaine was least see to where she was found. If they think this man is a suspect, they know his vehicle now and proberly previous vehicle, they may have evidence through cctv.

Allyall · 17-10-2013 10:24PM

Orangeapple wrote: »

Papers have reported the guards have 1600 of cctv footage. So maybe there was cctv footage on roads, shopfront, pubs etc from the time Elaine was least see to where she was found. If they think this man is a suspect, they know his vehicle now and proberly previous vehicle, they may have evidence through cctv.

Didn't hear that. It may make a massive difference now that they have found her.
If he was seen with her, and she hadn't been found, any excuse could have been made, nor were they looking for murder/manslaughter.

Do they know how she died yet?

tommyboy2222 · 17-10-2013 10:29PM

From the RTE report - "an honours graduate of the National University of Ireland".

How in the wide wide world of sport is that relevant ?

How'd he do in the Leaving ?

porsche959 · 17-10-2013 10:32PM

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

Gutter press? Rumours? Have you seen our sacred RTE news tonight? Shots of the house and car make/model with a run down on his career over the last 12 years.
Sorry, but you don't have to go to the gutter press or some AH poster to find out this persons identity- our national broadcaster did a fine job tonight in helping those who want to know such details :rolleyes:

Very bad journalism IMO

You mean this?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1017/480929-elaine-ohara/

I am no great fan of RTE but it looks to me that the camera work was carefully edited so that house would not be easily identifiable.

NUI grad that has worked in a management job for over a decade? Thousands would fit that description.

porsche959 · 17-10-2013 10:34PM

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

From the RTE report - "an honours graduate of the National University of Ireland".

How in the wide wide world of sport is that relevant ?

How'd he do in the Leaving ?

Apparently it means he is "upper class" and will "get off scot-free, like de bankers 'cos there'all in it together, Joe".

RiverOfLove · 17-10-2013 10:44PM

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

Gutter press? Rumours? Have you seen our sacred RTE news tonight? Shots of the house and car make/model with a run down on his career over the last 12 years.
Sorry, but you don't have to go to the gutter press or some AH poster to find out this persons identity- our national broadcaster did a fine job tonight in helping those who want to know such details :rolleyes:

Very bad journalism IMO

A remorseless media.

If he is the culprit and nobody here knows but the gardai are on the ball by the looks of it, he showed no remorse towards Ms O Hara dumping her dead body in a ditch as if she was a piece of trash. You wouldn't do that to an animal.

snowbabe · 17-10-2013 10:46PM

Or maybe its just that he was leading a double life and appeared respectable? Just out of interest when LM was arrested did RTE show photos of his house and where his children lived
And his car etc before he was actually charged with anything,and totally agree AH uses strict rules with cases like this,if I posted up photos of a house in a certain area I would be in big trouble .yet RTE can do it??

C.K Dexter Haven · 17-10-2013 10:46PM

porsche959 wrote: »

You mean this?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1017/480929-elaine-ohara/

I am no great fan of RTE but it looks to me that the camera work was carefully edited so that house would not be easily identifiable.

NUI grad that has worked in a management job for over a decade? Thousands would fit that description.

"Easily" is relative in the world of social media coupled with the likes of google street view, no less people familiar with the area.

I think it's important that justice takes its course- with some of the stuff I've seen on social media sites tonight, some people are adding two plus two and getting five, based on what they've "deducted" from official news sites- I just think it's dangerous to release such information at this point, as it could well prejudice any future trial and potentially innocent people could be drawn in to this story who have nothing to do with the current person under investigation.

tommyboy2222 · 17-10-2013 10:47PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

A remorseless media.

If he is the culprit and nobody here knows but the gardai are on the ball by the looks of it, he showed no remorse towards Ms O Hara dumping her dead body in a ditch as if she was a piece of trash. You wouldn't do that to an animal.

The ironing is delicious...........

diomed · 17-10-2013 10:50PM

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

From the RTE report - "an honours graduate of the National University of Ireland".
How in the wide wide world of sport is that relevant ?
How'd he do in the Leaving ?

If someone would post a link to a list of NUI honours graduates in 1994 we could get started.

snowbabe · 17-10-2013 10:51PM

Indeed whoever did this discarded a lovely lovely person without a thought,but there are more innocent people involved here. I really hope that he is charged but maybe as a mother Im thinking of his family rather than ELaines at this time,and I've no idea why.

sarkozy · 17-10-2013 10:52PM

porsche959 wrote: »

You mean this?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1017/480929-elaine-ohara/

I am no great fan of RTE but it looks to me that the camera work was carefully edited so that house would not be easily identifiable.

NUI grad that has worked in a management job for over a decade? Thousands would fit that description.

Remember that Edward MacArthur, found guilty of a double-murder in 1982 was only recently released, even after so many years. MacArthur was an up-standing, if eccentric, member of Irish society who was finally cornered in the then Attorney General's house. The tragic double-murder is the genesis of the now famous phrase 'GUBU' as it was, indeed, grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre, unprecedented.

It's one thing to get away with white-collar corruption and fraud in this country. It's quite another to expect to get away with murder.

I am, of course, saying this about whoever it is who committed the murder under investigation and am, it goes without saying, presuming this individual's innocence.

I suppose though, it's the very reason for all the morbid fascination (myself included). This isn't supposed to be what happens. Successful, wealthy, posh men just don't do this. Murder is a pass time for the uneducated, the working class and the poor.

17-10-2013 10:55PM

seamus wrote: »

You would, but the Gardai can't just go ahead and do it, there are limits on how they can access private information.

Anyway, that's a bit moot since they had apparently already gone through the information, but from a missing persons' perspective.

When you go through it a second time from a murder perspective, you will view a lot of activities differently.

I love how the papers are champing at the bloody bit to name this guy. Revealing enough information that anyone "in the know" in South County Dublin will probably be able to make a stab at guessing his identity.

So whatever has made him a suspect because a body has been found didn't look dodgy when she was just a missing person?

porsche959 · 17-10-2013 11:02PM

sarkozy wrote: »

Remember that Edward MacArthur, found guilty of a double-murder in 1982 was only recently released, even after so many years. MacArthur was an up-standing, if eccentric, member of Irish society who was finally cornered in the then Attorney General's house. The tragic double-murder is the genesis of the now famous phrase 'GUBU' as it was, indeed, grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre, unprecedented.

It's one thing to get away with white-collar corruption and fraud in this country. It's quite another to expect to get away with murder.

I am, of course, saying this about whoever it is who committed the murder under investigation and am, it goes without saying, presuming this individual's innocence.

I know all about that case. The point I am making is the tabloids are basically trying to stir up a kind of a class war inverse snobbery based witch-hunt. As though anyone that lives in Foxrock and, wow, was born with such a silver spoon in their mouth they even went to college, bedad, is some kind of a Mr Burns.

It goes without saying, I hope he goes to prison, if he did it.

seamus · 17-10-2013 11:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So whatever has made him a suspect because a body has been found didn't look dodgy when she was just a missing person?

They possibly didn't look at the records in that much detail. From what I gather, this individual wasn't the last person she talked to before she went missing, but presumably was someone she spoke to relatively recently and wasn't a number the family or Gardai recognised as a close friend.

When investigating missing persons, presumably they focus on the people she last spoke to in the hour or two preceding her disappearance, and the location of the phone around then. The people she spoke to 10 hours previously aren't of that much consequence. The Gardai don't have automatic access to phone records, they need to make an application for each one. A lot of trouble if you don't think the number is of any consequence.

But it's all speculation really, we've no idea what the Gardai did or didn't look into last year.

Like I say, when you presume that someone's disappearance is a suicide, you will look at their movements very differently than if you think they've been murdered. Context is everything. I'm sure Gardai are better than most people at keeping an open mind, but with so much information to sift through, you have to follow the most likely lines of inquiry.

Think of the computer history of using a hook-up site. If the history showed she used the site a lot, going back months, then you would probably presume it's relatively unrelated to her disappearance - if you think it's a suicide. If you then switch and think in terms of a murder, suddenly the hook-up site becomes a whole lot more important.

tayto lover · 17-10-2013 11:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So whatever has made him a suspect because a body has been found didn't look dodgy when she was just a missing person?

Apparently they couldn't access her computer while she might have been still alive as she was being treated as a missing person. Had she returned she could have sued them if they had done so.
Anyway things changed as soon as her body was found.

snowbabe · 17-10-2013 11:14PM

They couldnt speak to him as he was under medical care,dectives have travelled the length and breath of the country questioning others who were regularly on the site,this has been a huge operation.It's nothing to do with class etc it's to do with double lives,maybe I'm wrong but even mac arthur was eccentric,alot of murderers are this just exposing another world most of us know nothing about.I'll pray tonight for both families as there are no winners here

17-10-2013 11:41PM

seamus wrote: »

But it's all speculation really, we've no idea what the Gardai did or didn't look into last year.

Odd how your speculation only goes one way.

Like I say, when you presume that someone's disappearance is a suicide, you will look at their movements very differently than if you think they've been murdered. Context is everything. I'm sure Gardai are better than most people at keeping an open mind, but with so much information to sift through, you have to follow the most likely lines of inquiry.

Think of the computer history of using a hook-up site. If the history showed she used the site a lot, going back months, then you would probably presume it's relatively unrelated to her disappearance - if you think it's a suicide. If you then switch and think in terms of a murder, suddenly the hook-up site becomes a whole lot more important.

Again I have to wonder what's different. If he's a suspect now then what could it be in their communications that looks dodgy now but didn't before?

tayto lover wrote: »

Apparently they couldn't access her computer while she might have been still alive as she was being treated as a missing person. Had she returned she could have sued them if they had done so.
Anyway things changed as soon as her body was found.

I don't believe that for a second. Are they allowed look through a missing person's home or mobile phone records?

Danbo! · 18-10-2013 12:15AM

Crazy how the media all chose little bits of info that when pieced together give away highly identifying information for someone who is at this stage only a suspect.

IvyTheTerrible · 18-10-2013 07:45AM

Danbo! wrote: »

Crazy how the media all chose little bits of info that when pieced together give away highly identifying information for someone who is at this stage only a suspect.

According to the news, he's just been charged.