Jobseekers Allowance For New Applicants Under 26 to be Cut

Alannah Gallagher · 14-10-2013 11:22AM

Another point worth noting. A 23 year old who still lives at home and pays their parent say €20/week is in a much different position to someone who has moved out and has their own rent, food, esb, coal etc to buy. Why isn't this reflected in the payments?

TeddyTedson · 14-10-2013 11:23AM

I wonder how much wealth over 25s would have to have before they'd be told they weren't be entitled to anything. I have about 20,000 in a savings account.
I guess I'd be entitled to job seekers benefit but if I wasn't and applied to job seekers allowance would they expect me to use up my savings before receiving social welfare?
What about people who get redundancy? Are they expected to use their payout before receiving the dole?

drunkmonkey · 14-10-2013 11:26AM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I agree that welfare needs some sort of cut or restructuring but graduating from college and then having to move back to rural donegal to try and find a job in an industry that doesnt exist there seems a bit anti productive.

Well then you don't move back to Donegal, you go where the work is, and if that means moving for 2 or 3 years to get good experience in London, Berlin, Amsterdam where ever it may be then you go, don't arse around in rural Ireland waiting for something to happen it won't.

The incentive needs to be there to get people up off there ass, I don't think it's fair on the graduate above we can all do with a helping hand for up to 6mts to get things going but the day of a life time dole career has to end. I'd be all in favour of a short term scheme for graduates.

If your a person in your prime and your life involves living on handouts from the social welfare, you need to emigrate or re-educate yourself. Somebody above has a 28 year old brother that's done nothing for last 3 years, cut his dole to €100, seriously if he has no intention of making better of his lot why should we bail him out.

SCOOP 64 · 14-10-2013 11:26AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I wonder how much wealth over 25s would have to have before they'd be told they weren't be entitled to anything. I have about 20,000 in a savings account.
I guess I'd be entitled to job seekers benefit but if I wasn't and applied to job seekers allowance would they expect me to use up my savings before receiving social welfare?
What about people who get redundancy? Are they expected to use their payout before receiving the dole?

No, i think your safe up to €20,000 on jobseekers allowance.

TeddyTedson · 14-10-2013 11:27AM

keithob wrote: »

this is madness..... we have the highest suicide rate for young people in europe and now they are gonna hit young people again!!!!

There seems to be a very casual feeling amongst the government that the young folk can just emigrate and it will do them good. Never mind their circumstances just let them go off for a few years and it will do them good.

It seems the young an adult you are the ****ter you're going to get treated.

jack7 · 14-10-2013 11:28AM

Some young people move out of home to get full amount JSA and to get rent allowance. As it is means tested and if parents are working , they would get very little, by moving out they have more money and very little money to add to rent allowance.

judgefudge · 14-10-2013 11:33AM

My brother,yes I completely agree his dole should be cut. He lives at home still with no car, no bills. The parents don't even charge him rent. Whereas I live on my own with a car, bills, insurance etc. Meaning 144 won't go very far or me while he spends it on beer and cigarettes. And then to be told that it's being done to give me "incentive to work". Fck off. Target people who have been on the dole for a few years if you want to do that. Not the people just signing on.

And as for emigrating. How are people supposed to move to oz (which requires 5000 dollars in the bank for a working visa) or London (one of the most expensive cities to live in) when they've just graduated college. It can take time and it's very difficult and completely depressing. I would have been better off to stay in the job I had before I started college.

Mrs Garth Brooks · 14-10-2013 11:33AM

€100 for a 24 year old? Did I read that right?

The full rate at 26? Ah sure, next year you will have to be 30.

How do they expect them to get work. Printing cv's can be expensive.

judgefudge · 14-10-2013 11:35AM

I think they're depending too much on people's parents to help them out. At 25/26 you should be financially independent from parents but this makes it all the more difficult

Cody Pomeray · 14-10-2013 11:37AM

18-25 year olds are the first generation in living memory who will fare worse than our parents, and worse than older generations.

All across Europe, it is the youth that are being sacrificed for the waste and the mistakes of older generations. 120,000 people (nett), the extreme majority of them young people, have left Ireland in the last 5 years. European youth unemployment is enormous, going as high as 63% in Greece, as Merkel and other near-retirement politicians preach a laissez faire style of economic leadership, and "waiting out" the recession. If you're 50+ and in a well paid job, of course you can afford to wait it out, like a grinning neanderthal. It isn't fair to ask someone who is 23 or 25, with no job opportunities, to wait a few more years while their youth and training prospects recede and life catches up with them.

And of course they know it. Our political leaders are practically opening the doors for young people to leave this society. Youth emigration helps the economy enormously, in the short term. It makes Enda kenny's homework look great for Mrs Merkel. Don't think this policy is completely unrelated to that objective.

shruikan2553 · 14-10-2013 11:39AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Well then you don't move back to Donegal, you go where the work is, and if that means moving for 2 or 3 years to get good experience in London, Berlin, Amsterdam where ever it may be then you go, don't arse around in rural Ireland waiting for something to happen it won't.

How do you afford to go where the work is? If you cant afford to live in Galway, Cork or Dublin you'll have to move back home.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The incentive needs to be there to get people up off there ass, I don't think it's fair on the graduate above we can all do with a helping hand for up to 6mts to get things going but the day of a life time dole career has to end. I'd be all in favour of a short term scheme for graduates.

If your a person in your prime and your life involves living on handouts from the social welfare, you need to emigrate or re-educate yourself. Somebody above has a 28 year old brother that's done nothing for last 3 years, cut his dole to €100, seriously if he has no intention of making better of his lot why should we bail him out.

This should be for everyone. Chances are a graduate would only be short term until they figure out exactly what they can and will do but they need "incentive" while someone else could sit on the dole for over 5 years and nothing is done.

SeaFields · 14-10-2013 11:39AM

I wonder is this an exercise in 'kite flying' and it wont be as bad tomorrow.

Gongoozler · 14-10-2013 11:41AM

It's actually funny how the government continue to exactly the opposite to helping. How is targeting new applicants helping? How is targeting the young constructive? Why try push people to do a jobsbridge when they are destroying the lower skilled and lower paid jobs out there that would be perfect for those who can't get jobs? Jesus can they do anything right?

Ogham · 14-10-2013 11:43AM

Alannah Gallagher wrote: »

That's comparing apples and oranges.

If you compare the cost of shopping in Letterkenny (Donegal) with the cost of shopping in Derry or Strabane, it is far more expensive this side of the border. Also in the North (I assume England is the same) there is no contribution by the unemployed toward their rent.

I was just quoting the site - but Dole is more than double the uk rate here for over 25's but prices are not double here. (More like 25% more).
Even with the max €30 a week towards rent - that is still €158 here compared to €86 in UK. (83% more)

NTMK · 14-10-2013 11:47AM

judgefudge wrote: »

And as for emigrating. How are people supposed to move to oz (which requires 5000 dollars in the bank for a working visa) or London (one of the most expensive cities to live in) when they've just graduated college. It can take time and it's very difficult and completely depressing. I would have been better off to stay in the job I had before I started college.

In london you'll find work fairly quickly there are lots of jobs around and depending on your qualification you could have work before you come over (i did on a BSc)

for Oz/Canada/US check the skill shortage list you may be able to get around some visa requirements

Whatever you do keep youre head up dont get bogged down as in a rural area that will cripple you

Its not easy but its emigrating is a lot damn better than waiting for whatever scheme the goverment come up with to push you out next

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 14-10-2013 11:49AM

So a man who's in his 50's working in the public/private sector could retire this year with a full pension after doing 35 years of service.
So a woman in her 40's who hasn't worked for 15 years can collect every benefit and handout there is.

But if you're 25 then you should get the **** out of the country, or work for free with Jobsbridge or you might get a few crumbs (like covering maternity leave) in the public/private sector. :mad:

Celly Smunt · 14-10-2013 11:52AM

If the savings are promoted through educating on the dole or putting them in a better position to get back to work I wholey support it.

It might give the scroungers a kick up the hole to get further educated.

stevenmu · 14-10-2013 11:58AM

judgefudge wrote: »

It's really depressing how they've targeted the young and are trying to demoralize the unemployed even more. I have a postgrad degree in a good area and to be honest I just feel like getting the fck out of this country.

They're not targeting the young, there are cut backs everywhere. I've been working my ass off the last 5 years and have been promoted twice, but with all the taxes and charges I make less now than I did then. There have been big cut backs in spending on health, education, law enforcement, infrastructure etc. Public servants have had their wages slashed.

Everything has to be cut, and almost everything is being cut. Why should young people on the dole be immune to this?

NTMK · 14-10-2013 12:02PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

But if you're 25 then you should get the **** out of the country, or work for free with Jobsbridge or you might get a few crumbs (like covering maternity leave) in the private sector. :mad:

whats even worse is it will affect long term growth as why would a large company atm set up in ireland to take advantage of a large educated workforce of 20-30 year olds when it cann set up in england and do the same along with the added benefits of being in england (infrastructure, English workforce) too

judgefudge · 14-10-2013 12:03PM

stevenmu wrote: »

Everything has to be cut, and almost everything is being cut. Why should young people on the dole be immune to this?

Not saying young people should be immune. But this cut is specifically targeting younger people. What's the difference between a 24 year old and a 30 year old drawing the dole. They are both adults and should be treated alike. Either cut the payment across the board (by a lesser amount) or cut the payment for people who have been on the dole for an extended period of time. Don't target young people, just out of college, signing on for the first time.

drunkmonkey · 14-10-2013 12:04PM

judgefudge wrote: »

And as for emigrating. How are people supposed to move to oz (which requires 5000 dollars in the bank for a working visa) or London (one of the most expensive cities to live in) when they've just graduated college.

shruikan2553 wrote: »

How do you afford to go where the work is?

These are all excuses, we can't keep making excuses for people not working.

I'm going to use London as an example, flight to London Gatwick tomorrow from Dublin €91.99 including taxes and charges.
3 Weeks Bed in a Hostel in Central London €168. So that's €259.99 all in for 3 weeks bed and the flight.

As your in central London, it's relatively easy to pick up part time serviced based work like bar or kitchen work, this may not be what your qualified in but while your looking for your dream job they'll put some food on the table.

There's no excuse for anybody without a job giving it a try on their own. Australia should be one of the last places you should be going if your broke. Plenty of other places in Europe are a lot cheaper to get to.

donegal11 · 14-10-2013 12:05PM

stevenmu wrote: »

They're not targeting the young, there are cut backs everywhere. I've been working my ass off the last 5 years and have been promoted twice, but with all the taxes and charges I make less now than I did then. There have been big cut backs in spending on health, education, law enforcement, infrastructure etc. Public servants have had their wages slashed.

Everything has to be cut, and almost everything is being cut. Why should young people on the dole be immune to this?

The real question is why is it only the young being effected by this measure and no say for instance pensioners? perhaps because of self interest as they'll all be pensioners in the future but never be young again.

judgefudge · 14-10-2013 12:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

These are all excuses, we can't keep making excuses for people not working.

I'm going to use London as an example, flight to London Gatwick tomorrow from Dublin €91.99 including taxes and charges.
3 Weeks Bed in a Hostel in Central London €168. So that's €259.99 all in for 3 weeks bed and the flight.

As your in central London, it's relatively easy to pick up part time serviced based work like bar or kitchen work, this may not be what your qualified in but while your looking for your dream job they'll put some food on the table.

There's no excuse for anybody without a job giving it a try on their own. Australia should be one of the last places you should be going if your broke. Plenty of other places in Europe are a lot cheaper to get to.

I'm not making excuses I'm going to be workin my ass off to get somewhere after college. But judging by my 144 a week I'll be lucky to have a tenner a week to put aside for a haircut.

SCOOP 64 · 14-10-2013 12:07PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

These are all excuses, we can't keep making excuses for people not working.

I'm going to use London as an example, flight to London Gatwick tomorrow from Dublin €91.99 including taxes and charges.
3 Weeks Bed in a Hostel in Central London €168. So that's €259.99 all in for 3 weeks bed and the flight.

As your in central London, it's relatively easy to pick up part time serviced based work like bar or kitchen work, this may not be what your qualified in but while your looking for your dream job they'll put some food on the table.

There's no excuse for anybody without a job giving it a try on their own. Australia should be one of the last places you should be going if your broke. Plenty of other places in Europe are a lot cheaper to get to.

So in other words "GO, leave this country now"

14-10-2013 12:14PM

I really hope they don't cut the Dole for over 27s, because then I'm pretty much screwed. I've been spending a while bettering my CV through gaining qualifications and some experience through projects and other stuff. But it's not enough, because I've come out of college in a time where if you don't have the real world experience, then everything else practically means diddlysquat. So I apply for internships through Jobbridge, where there are hundreds, if not more, of people who are as deserving as I am, if not more so, for these placements. And the majority of the time, I lose out.

It sucks and it is demoralizing.

What makes it worse is that the internships that would actually be applicable to me are lost among the shop jobs, the menial jobs, or the Online Marketing jobs that really turns out to just stocking shelves - yes, that actually happened.

So if they cut the dole for me then the only options for me would be to get some low paid job, which means all my hard work be for naught effectively, or to leave the country with many of my peers.

shruikan2553 · 14-10-2013 12:15PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

These are all excuses, we can't keep making excuses for people not working.

I'm going to use London as an example, flight to London Gatwick tomorrow from Dublin €91.99 including taxes and charges.
3 Weeks Bed in a Hostel in Central London €168. So that's €259.99 all in for 3 weeks bed and the flight.

As your in central London, it's relatively easy to pick up part time serviced based work like bar or kitchen work, this may not be what your qualified in but while your looking for your dream job they'll put some food on the table.

There's no excuse for anybody without a job giving it a try on their own. Australia should be one of the last places you should be going if your broke. Plenty of other places in Europe are a lot cheaper to get to.

Thats grand so, everyone can just stay at home save up a few hundred euro and leave the country. If they have any loans they can do what the generation before them did, blame the banks and run. Why dont we get everyone to do this? Seems strange we are trying to get rid of the young educated people while keeping those who have stayed on the dole most of their lives.

The government are spending about 50k if not more to get me a degree. If they want me to leave so they'll never get anything back for it then so be it.

NTMK · 14-10-2013 12:18PM

stevenmu wrote: »

Everything has to be cut, and almost everything is being cut. Why should young people on the dole be immune to this?

they shouldnt but when you have schemes like jobsbridge taking what were once grad/low level jobs and making them €50 "internships" it makes it a bit difficult to take since the only outlet of hope for people that didnt land one of the grad positions still left is to leave

I (along with most others) can take cuts but to see not one action being taken to deal with Youth unemployment and suicide when we're now near the top of those lists in the EU cant be seen as anything other than a straight up "we dont want you here" and its incredibly depressing that the goverment are pushing their own youth out in favour of fiddling with their unemployment figures claiming their addressing the problem:rolleyes:

Xenji · 14-10-2013 12:21PM

It makes sense now why they have extended the Jobsbridge scheme/scam from 9 months to 18 months, they are taking money from Peter to pay Paul.

Akrasia · 14-10-2013 12:32PM

This country is warped!

Young people have been completely screwed in the last 5 years

1. College administration fees have gone up from about 700 quid pa to 2500 quid
2. The grant has been cut and the means test is tougher
3. Child benefit for over 18s has been scrapped even when the parent is deemed to be fully supporting the child in full time education.
4. Child benefit payments have fallen
5. The grant for post graduates has been eliminated
6. Young people have been locked out of public sector jobs due to the hiring freeze
7. Young people can't get a job in the private sector because of 'Job-bridge' that expects all graduates to compete against free labour in an environment where experience is a stated requirement for pretty much every job advertised at the moment.
8. When they do get a job as a teacher or nurse on temp contracts, their wages are substantially lower than the existing employees
9. Despite an over supply of houses, Rents are going up in many parts of the country because NAMA and the banks are distorting the property market
10. There are no more apprenticeships available so young people can learn a trade

The new proposal is going to see young people coming out of college with big student loans and no job prospects being even further marginalised by being denied assistance while they try to get up on their feet and start a career.

The message is clear. If you're under the age of 30, get out of Ireland.

Cunning Stunt · 14-10-2013 12:52PM

judgefudge wrote: »

My brother,yes I completely agree his dole should be cut. He lives at home still with no car, no bills. The parents don't even charge him rent. Whereas I live on my own with a car, bills, insurance etc. Meaning 144 won't go very far or me while he spends it on beer and cigarettes. And then to be told that it's being done to give me "incentive to work". Fck off. Target people who have been on the dole for a few years if you want to do that. Not the people just signing on.

There are people who treat the dole as a long-term income and are quite happy not trying to change their situation. I also have younger relations living at home or rent-free who have been on the dole for a number of years and have no desire to actively seek work. They're quite happy with their 144 a week. It's a trap that a lot of people have fallen into. I agree with the above poster - the government should really focus more on those who have been on the dole for years.

Jobseekers Allowance For New Applicants Under 26 to be Cut

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