Jobseekers Allowance For New Applicants Under 26 to be Cut

Xenji · 14-10-2013 10:35AM #1

Heard this on Today Fm News on my way into work, that they want to cut it from €188 a week to €144 in the budget, when the country was booming you were getting more per week and now that we are ****ed they want to cut it, I am sure this will just cause more strife for people struggling as it is and will greatly increase emigration to boot.

I am not on welfare, but I can see how hard it is for some people as it is, especially with no jobs on the horizon for most, besides becoming slaves for Jobsbridge. When we were booming people really did not have a excuse to not have a job, but it is completely different now and I am sure a lot of people who post here will be affected by this.

The changes will only apply to new entrants to the Live Register and won't affect existing recipients.

At the moment, young people aged 18-21 receive €100 a week. This rate will now be extended to the age of 24.

At present, those aged 22-24 are paid €144. Once a person hits 25, their payment goes up to €188, but this will now be extended to 26.

No reports of Jobsbridge being affected, besides it being extended to 18 months and you can now do up to 3 internships

Extension of the €100 reduced rate of Jobseeker’s Allowance and Supplementary Welfare Allowance to existing recipients who reach 22, and for new entrants aged up to 24 on or after 1 January 2014.

The reduced rate of €144 will apply to those reaching 25 from January 2014.

davo2001 · 14-10-2013 10:37AM

Hard as it may be cuts do need to be made, lets see if the people on jobseekers will be out on the streets protesting, doubt they will.

EuropeanSon · 14-10-2013 10:39AM

What would you rather they cut, that will save as much money as this will?

100,000 people (give or take, it was 91,000 in 2010 based on the first thing I saw upon googling it) times 44 times 52 is about €230 million. Quite the saving.

bizmark · 14-10-2013 10:40AM

You really think a goverment that did all it could to not cut the welfare payment amount by much more than what 10% ? would just go postal on it this year ?

They might cut it another 5/10% in the next two years but i doubt they will knock off 44 euro in a year

Turtyturd · 14-10-2013 10:41AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

What would you rather they cut, that will save as much money as this will?

Pensions.

fl4pj4ck · 14-10-2013 10:41AM

did you mean under 25s? title is misleading then

WinnyThePoo · 14-10-2013 10:41AM

Not another ****ing Dole Thread.

14-10-2013 10:43AM

D'radio said earlier it'd be under 27s getting their dole cut.

TeddyTedson · 14-10-2013 10:43AM

Isn't it means tested already?

NTMK · 14-10-2013 10:44AM

It a simple message to anyone under 26 to get the **** out if youre not employed

Jarrod · 14-10-2013 10:45AM

I'd be surprised to see it cut by that much, although I agree it's an area that we probably need to cut back on.

Having said that, why base it on something arbitrary like age? Seems odd to me. Surely you should get the full whack for the first X number of months/years you're claiming and then it could be gradually reduced to whatever the lower rate will be if you still don't find work.

Jester252 · 14-10-2013 10:46AM

Its not a major cut in the overall scheme. Currently you have to be 25 to get the full rate. Now you have to be over 26 to get the full rate and instead of getting a bump in payment when your 22 you now get the bump when your 24.

super_furry · 14-10-2013 10:46AM

Means testing children's allowance would be a better start.

Techno_Toaster · 14-10-2013 10:46AM

The rate for under 25s is already €144 a week. Are they further reducing it?

TeddyTedson · 14-10-2013 10:47AM

NTMK wrote: »

It a simple message to anyone under 26 to get the **** out if youre not employed

Yeah I don't see why people at 22 shouldn't be entitled to the same amount as a 25 year old if they're living in similar circumstances.
At 25 do they just give you the full amount regardless of means testing?

NTMK · 14-10-2013 10:48AM

Techno_Toaster wrote: »

The rate for under 25s is already €144 a week. Are they further reducing it?

to €100 for new signups

Xenji · 14-10-2013 10:50AM

Techno_Toaster wrote: »

The rate for under 25s is already €144 a week. Are they further reducing it?

It will go down to €100 now for them if new to the register.

NTMK · 14-10-2013 10:53AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Yeah I don't see why people at 22 shouldn't be entitled to the same amount as a 25 year old if they're living in similar circumstances.
At 25 do they just give you the full amount regardless of means testing?

iirc yes at 25 you qualify for full payment. Its means tested but at 25 you dont exactly have much wealth amassed

This will mean a €44 reduction for Jobsbridge too and will mean that new grads will have to take up internships (of which quite a lot were grad jobs before JB came into play) paying a grand total of €150 a week

Alannah Gallagher · 14-10-2013 10:55AM

"To persuade young people to take up low paid work or Jobbridge"

Me hole.

Has it not occurred to these numpties the reason there are no low paid jobs is exactly because of Jobbridge. Jobbridge might be a good idea if it would let people get a foot in the door, on the job training, experience and a reference in specialist areas normally not open to them such as computer programming, accounts, trainee hairdressing etc. But shops offering jobbridge to people who will learn such unskilled menial crap as how to scan a box of Weetabix, face up the diet coke or mop the floor - well - that is taxpayers footing the bill for someone doing a minimum wage job. One less job on the market. One more person doing free work for a private company while the people of the country pick up the bill.

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Also, by cutting it only to new entrants on the broo (presumably to prevent the many thousands already in this unlucky position from kicking off), they are stopping people taking up temporary work as they know if they do they'll be on crap when the job ends.

Xenji · 14-10-2013 10:55AM

NTMK wrote: »

iirc yes at 25 you qualify for full payment. Its means tested but at 25 you dont exactly have much wealth amassed

This will mean a €44 reduction for Jobsbridge too and will mean that new grads will have to take up internships (of which quite a lot were grad jobs before JB came into play) paying a grand total of €150 a week

So you are saying that you will only get a extra €6 euro a week now if you are planning on doing a Jobsbridge?

NTMK · 14-10-2013 10:58AM

Xenji wrote: »

So you are saying that you will only get a extra €6 euro a week now if you are planning on doing a Jobsbridge?

its still €50 more

Current signups <24yo get €194 (€144 + €50)
New signups <24yo will get €150 (€100 + €50)

Fratton Fred · 14-10-2013 10:59AM

Bad news for Diageo.

R.F. · 14-10-2013 11:00AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Bad news for Diageo.

They will find a way.

Bad news for their kids though

SCOOP 64 · 14-10-2013 11:02AM

Sorry, need to clarified, title thread says "job seekers allowance for over 25.s to be cut",
new signers ? everyone over 25 ?
and how will it effect jobbridge ?

Xenji · 14-10-2013 11:03AM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Sorry to need clarified but title thread says "job seekers allowance for over 25.s to be cut",new signers ? everyone over 25 ?
and how will it effect jobbridge ?

Sorry getting a mod to change that for me, more information seems to be coming in about it every minute, look at the bold parts of the OP

judgefudge · 14-10-2013 11:07AM

I'm 25, never been on the dole, have worked and been in college for 7 years. I've paid tax and never gotten a grant. I finish college in January with a decent chance of going some kind of work. However, there is undoubtably going to be a period if possibly 2-6 months before I find a suitable job. Now it looks like I'm going to get 144 which, with the bills I have is going to be scraping by. I know that the dole isn't there to make your life luxurious but this is really going to make me struggle.

I want to work, I have incentive to work. I don't understand why this payment will be lowered when the likes of my brother, who has been on the dole for 2-3 years (he's 28) and hasn't even looked for a job, will continue to get 188 per week.

It's really depressing how they've targeted the young and are trying to demoralize the unemployed even more. I have a postgrad degree in a good area and to be honest I just feel like getting the fck out of this country.

Ogham · 14-10-2013 11:07AM

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/jobseekers-allowance-to-be-cut-for-those-under-26.html

"Currently any claimant aged 18 to 21 gets €100 a week and those aged 22 to 24 get €144 . The full rate of €188 a week is paid to those aged 25 or more.

The proposed Budget 2014 changes would mean that the €100 a week rate will be paid up to the age of 24 (extended by 3 years) . Those aged 25 will get €144 and the full rate of €188 will not be paid until claimants reach 26.
As is usual with Budget welfare cuts – existing claimants are not affected- so someone aged 22 now and getting €144 a week should continue to get that rate until they reach 26. (This needs to be confirmed)

Just for comparison – the Jobseekers allowance in the UK is £56.80 (€68) a week for under 25′s and for those aged 25 or over it is £71.70 (€86) a week.

shruikan2553 · 14-10-2013 11:07AM

I agree that welfare needs some sort of cut or restructuring but graduating from college and then having to move back to rural donegal to try and find a job in an industry that doesnt exist there seems a bit anti productive.

NTMK · 14-10-2013 11:15AM

judgefudge wrote: »

I want to work, I have incentive to work. I don't understand why this payment will be lowered when the likes of my brother, who has been on the dole for 2-3 years (he's 28) and hasn't even looked for a job, will continue to get 188 per week.

It's really depressing how they've targeted the young and are trying to demoralize the unemployed even more. I have a postgrad degree in a good area and to be honest I just feel like getting the fck out of this country.

It does nothing to hit people who game the system and hits those who take the minimum amount out of the system the worst

It smells to me like the want to push people out of the country or into JB schemes so they can say they tackled Unemployment and Youth unemployment and then pointing to the live register saying look how great we're doing while sweeping emigration figures under the carpet or calling them an optional choice or whatever noonan said

Alannah Gallagher · 14-10-2013 11:17AM

Ogham wrote: »

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/jobseekers-allowance-to-be-cut-for-those-under-26.html

Just for comparison – the Jobseekers allowance in the UK is £56.80 (€68) a week for under 25′s and for those aged 25 or over it is £71.70 (€86) a week.

That's comparing apples and oranges.

If you compare the cost of shopping in Letterkenny (Donegal) with the cost of shopping in Derry or Strabane, it is far more expensive this side of the border. Also in the North (I assume England is the same) there is no contribution by the unemployed toward their rent.

Xenji · 14-10-2013 11:18AM

For those who are doing one of the Jobsbridge jobs, when they finish them and lets say they are 25 or younger, will they end up on the new rates if they do not get taken on after it and go back to the social welfare again?

Jobseekers Allowance For New Applicants Under 26 to be Cut

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