Woman forced to travel to England for abortion calls for law change

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 07:41AM #1

So here we go again with another woman refused an abortion (this time in the North)

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-forced-to-travel-to-england-for-abortion-calls-for-law-change-29647794.html

Woman forced to travel to England for abortion calls for law change

Even though her baby had not developed a skull and was completely brain dead she was refused a termination under the current legislation.

Instead, doctors said she would have to wait for the baby to die then have an induced labour.

Crazy

Terry1985 · 10-10-2013 07:51AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Even though her baby had not developed a skull and was completely brain dead

But it could still survive a grow up to become an internet forum moderator...

Mod: Banned.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 10-10-2013 08:03AM

Terry1985 wrote: »

But it could still survive a grow up to become an internet forum moderator...

That's not funny, but shame on me I laughed.

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 08:04AM

Terry1985 wrote: »

But it could still survive a grow up to become an internet forum moderator...

Oh my :eek:

Mr. Incognito · 10-10-2013 08:09AM

Link?

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 08:22AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Link?

My apologies link also added to the op

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-forced-to-travel-to-england-for-abortion-calls-for-law-change-29647794.html

Knight who says Meh · 10-10-2013 08:24AM

bumper234 wrote: »

So here we go again with another woman refused an abortion (this time in the North)

http://www.independent.ie/incoming/woman-forced-to-travel-to-england-for-abortion-calls-for-law-change-29647794.html

Woman forced to travel to England for abortion calls for law change

Even though her baby had not developed a skull and was completely brain dead she was refused a termination under the current legislation.

Instead, doctors said she would have to wait for the baby to die then have an induced labour.

Crazy

Its Gods will. Who are you to question..

martinedwards · 10-10-2013 08:46AM

cant be bothered to look up the link, but if it was brain DEAD then why were they waiting for it to die?

Seachmall · 10-10-2013 08:47AM

martinedwards wrote: »

cant be bothered to look up the link, but if it was brain DEAD then why were they waiting for it to die?

Heart must have been beating.

wp_rathead · 10-10-2013 08:49AM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Its Gods will. Who are you to question..

It is not "gods will"..

And who are we to not allow this woman control her own body

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 08:51AM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Its Gods will. Who are you to question..

wprathead wrote: »

It is not "gods will"..

And who are we to not allow this woman control her own body

Oh Knight was being serious?:eek: I thought it was sarcasm....man it's been a long week.

wp_rathead · 10-10-2013 08:52AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Oh Knight was being serious?:eek: I thought it was sarcasm....man it's been a long week.

Oh maybe was sarcasm, im traveling on way too work so maybe i read it wrong

Rubberchikken · 10-10-2013 08:53AM

'But it could still survive a grow up to become an internet forum moderator...'

forgive me but i laughed.

cannot see why a woman who wants an abortion can not have one. let her speak to professional counsellor first, then be able to do with her body what she wishes.
too many people in this world think they have a say in someone's life, yet where are they when really needed.
spare me.

hansfrei · 10-10-2013 08:56AM

Female fetuses in the UK are now the most at risk group a new report has said.

Gender selective abortion (only for reasons of gender). This is what we have to look forward to?

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 08:59AM

hansfrei wrote: »

Female fetuses in the UK are now the most at risk group a new report has said.

Gender selective abortion (only for reasons of gender). This is what we have to look forward to?

Link?

Seachmall · 10-10-2013 09:04AM

hansfrei wrote: »

Gender selective abortion (only for reasons of gender). This is what we have to look forward to?

Sure if it's a life from conception with all the rights of anyone else then abortion for any reason is unjustifiable.

If it's not then abortion for any reason is justifiable.

Either way gender selective abortion is neither worse nor better than abortion in cases of incest, for example.

hansfrei · 10-10-2013 09:05AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10360386/Law-does-not-prohibit-sex-selection-abortions-DPP-warns.html

To re-cap. Gender selective abortionsare not illegal. This follows the trial of two doctors carrying out such proceedures.

hansfrei · 10-10-2013 09:06AM

Seachmall wrote: »

Sure if it's a life from conception with all the rights of anyone else then abortion for any reason is unjustifiable.

If it's not then abortion for any reason is justifiable.

Either way gender selective abortion is neither worse nor better than abortion in cases of incest, for example.

Jayzis.

Seachmall · 10-10-2013 09:11AM

hansfrei wrote: »

Jayzis.

It is what it is.

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 09:19AM

hansfrei wrote: »

Female fetuses in the UK are now the most at risk group a new report has said.

Gender selective abortion (only for reasons of gender). This is what we have to look forward to?

Any sign of that link?

kneemos · 10-10-2013 09:23AM

hansfrei wrote: »

Female fetuses in the UK are now the most at risk group a new report has said.

Gender selective abortion (only for reasons of gender). This is what we have to look forward to?

Probably something to do with ethnic traditions.If true.

December2012 · 10-10-2013 09:24AM

hansfrei wrote: »

Female fetuses in the UK are now the most at risk group a new report has said.

Gender selective abortion (only for reasons of gender). This is what we have to look forward to?

Which has nothing to do with the discussion in this thread. She was seeking a termination of pregnancy now because her baby had encephaly not because of its gender.

hansfrei · 10-10-2013 09:28AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Any sign of that link?

That paper is where the story broke. Sir Edward Leigh MP is quoted as saying "The most dangerous position to be in Briton today is to be a female feteous."

Huff post carries the story, most other news outlets too. Google it.

hansfrei · 10-10-2013 09:30AM

December2012 wrote: »

Which has nothing to do with the discussion in this thread. She was seeking a termination of pregnancy now because her baby had encephaly not because of its gender.

It was a reply.

angelfire9 · 10-10-2013 09:33AM

Ye do realise this case is in NORTHERN Ireland not the 26 counties??

Seachmall · 10-10-2013 09:36AM

hansfrei wrote: »

It was a reply.

It was an attempt to derail the discussion.

It has been modestly successful.

jr22 · 10-10-2013 09:36AM

Terry1985 wrote: »

But it could still survive a grow up to become an internet forum moderator...

Mod: Banned.

Ha ha! Probably the only worthwhile comment I've ever read on an abortion thread.

General General · 10-10-2013 09:37AM

wprathead wrote: »

Oh maybe was sarcasm, im traveling on way too work so maybe i read it wrong

Sure, God willed that you read it the way that you did...

bumper234 · 10-10-2013 10:32AM

Khannie wrote: »

Serious question - maybe someone can answer this. How is a brain dead baby not considered dead? I mean if the baby was outside the mothers womb and being kept alive artificially, the mother would have the right to pull the plug, right?

The consensus seems to be that because it has a heartbeat it is still considered "alive" and maybe Jeebus or Buddha, Allah, Ganesha could perform one of those miracles and create a working brain or something. Hey if popes can heal by touch maybe one of those could have visited the baby and fixed it right up.

tritium · 10-10-2013 10:39AM

Anencephaly is an unusual condition whereby the major part of the brain never develops though some parts of the brain and some lower brain functions do develop (someone with better medical knowledge can give a more detailed description). Its one of the saddest birth conditions ive ever come across. The child typically only lives for at most a few hours post delivery but it is a living breathing child, albeit without the majority of its brain

From an ethics point of view there's been a lot of debate as to how to consider these cases as it also impacts things like organ transplants. It's also obviously traumatic for the parents in terms of choosing to either abort a child who has no hope of survival or go through with giving birth to a child you know will at best die in your arms.

PopePalpatine · 10-10-2013 04:51PM

hansfrei wrote: »

That paper is where the story broke. Sir Edward Leigh MP is quoted as saying "The most dangerous position to be in Briton today is to be a female feteous."

Huff post carries the story, most other news outlets too. Google it.

Sir Edward Leigh is the chairman of the religious conservative "Cornerstone" group within the Tories. Considering that he opposes contraception (which would help cut down unwanted pregnancies that would result in abortions), his opinion is far from impartial.

Woman forced to travel to England for abortion calls for law change

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