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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Would it not serve to publish the letter from said solicitors? Put it in the public domain & let boards users ask questions of said firm?

    I'd imagine doing that would probably cause more harm (legally speaking) than good tbh


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Would it not serve to publish the letter from said solicitors? Put it in the public domain & let boards users ask questions of said firm?

    LOL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Would it not be an idea to move the head office to a place where these stupid laws don't exist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Would it not serve to publish the letter from said solicitors? Put it in the public domain & let boards users ask questions of said firm?

    Don't think that's quite how it works!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,965 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Would it not be an idea to move the head office to a place where these stupid laws don't exist?

    You don't even need ti move the office/people as far as I'm aware - just the legal entity (and possibly the servers) that is boards.ie


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    LOL

    Thought it was worth a shot ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Would it not be an idea to move the head office to a place where these stupid laws don't exist?

    What, like Three moving their customer care to Mumbai where customer care doesn't exist?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Since when did an email turn into a solicitor's letter?


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    You don't even need ti move the office/people as far as I'm aware - just the legal entity (and possibly the servers) that is boards.ie

    It worked for Stormfront, did it not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,965 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It worked for Stormfront, did it not?

    I'll have to take your word on it - not a site I've ever visited and from what I've seen mentioned here over the years, I don't think I've missed much :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    petes wrote: »
    What, like Three moving their customer care to Mumbai where customer care doesn't exist?

    No, like a company I worked for had their head office on Gibraltar for all their business here.
    The head office was a PO box, :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    Carefull now. This is the country that blocked Pirate-bay


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    My favorite song is The Angelus.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Just to put this out there.

    I did e-mail a TD who is a member of the Constitutional Convention a couple of months ago and this was the response:
    Blasphemy is still a topic for consideration this year but off hand I don't have a date for when it is up for discussion. If the Convention decides that to recommend its removal from the constitution then the Government will have to commit to holding a referendum on it.

    Personally, I want to see the removal of the reference to blasphemy and will be making this point when the issue is up for consideration. We live in a republic and in a republic religious beliefs should be respected as much as the right to free speech, but not above it.

    Since then, I found this calender for the Convention on constitution.ie and it says it's due to be debated on the 2nd and 3rd of November.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    pretty sure anyway there is sum European law that probably if needed would over rule the blasphemy law in Ireland. you would just need to goto the European court. As i would say like any of the Nordic country's or German's would not have such a silly law these days ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Would it not be an idea to move the head office to a place where these stupid laws don't exist?

    That's just running away from the issue though, nothing is ever solved by running away and you are only pandering to the arseholes that want to publish their vitriol and hatred with impunity.

    Stupid laws may be stupid, but givimg those who want a platform to openly abuse others a free reign is even stupider.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    I'll have to take your word on it - not a site I've ever visited and from what I've seen mentioned here over the years, I don't think I've missed much :)

    If I remember right, during the Rose of Tralee one year, Stormfront put up racist comments about one of the competitors, which resulted in calls that they be shut down. However they discovered that it was hosted elsewhere and registered there too, so they couldn't get it shut down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Well, there should be a lot of bans handed out in the Atheism & Agnosticism forum. The "funny side to religion" thread should be deleted and anyone who posts a religious cartoon that might offend someone will be banned.
    In fact, every second post there will result in a ban if the Mohammad being a pedo example is anything to go by.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    That's just running away from the issue though, nothing is ever solved by running away and you are only pandering to the arseholes that want to publish their vitriol and hatred with impunity.

    Stupid laws may be stupid, but givimg those who want a platform to openly abuse others a free reign is even stupider.

    thats why we have MODS stupid law is stupid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Vito Corleone


    Farcical.


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Well, there should be a lot of bans handed out in the Atheism & Agnosticism forum. The "funny side to religion" thread should be deleted and anyone who posts a religious cartoon that might offend someone will be banned.
    In fact, every second post there will result in a ban if the Mohammad being a pedo example is anything to go by.

    Sshhhhhh! Don't draw attention to us! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea


    My favorite song is The Angelus.

    when that drop comes, it's serious


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    when that drop comes, it's serious

    wuuuuuuuub wuuuuuuub wuuuuuub:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    So that's Dav, huh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    The word blasphemy should be illegal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    So this is the day boards jumps the shark...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Sshhhhhh! Don't draw attention to us! :P
    You're going to have to ban yourself. And all the A&A mods will have a lot of work going through all the posts on that board weeding out anything that a religious person might find offensive!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    The word blasphemy should be illegal

    Damit now you have "The power of christ compels you" stuck in my head from family guy :P


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dav wrote: »
    The Blasphemy law in Ireland is a load of nonsense.
    I'm glad we agree on something :)
    Dav wrote: »
    Being compliant with this law is not up for discussion. When the company is officially notified about something that is in breach of the law (as we were by an email earlier today), we have to act or we become responsible for it and we are not going to court for your ignorance (I'm speaking directly to you valknut).
    The enacted law is here:

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0031/sec0036.html#sec36
    36.— (1) A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €25,000.
    (2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if—
    (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and
    (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.
    (3) It shall be a defence to proceedings for an offence under this section for the defendant to prove that a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value in the matter to which the offence relates.
    (4) In this section “ religion ” does not include an organisation or cult—
    (a) the principal object of which is the making of profit, or
    (b) that employs oppressive psychological manipulation—
    (i) of its followers, or
    (ii) for the purpose of gaining new followers.
    Now, I haven't read back through every post in this thread, nor have I seen the thread or email which triggered the original post, but from a legal perspective it would require a considerable effort, probably with the full, if secret, co-operation of the "offended" and "offending" parties, to prove that victimless crime of blasphemy had actually happened, for a conviction to take place, and for the fine therefore to be levied. I'm wonder in passing, what would happen if somebody were to declare the existence of a "religion" of free speech which finds, for example, Mr Ahern's legislation blasphemous itself. Or indeed, any of the offensive articles that appear in gutter publications like "Alive!" and the like should be subject to this law. Similarly, it might be worth debating what site rules should apply to user accounts used to deliver apparently serious legal threats to the organization which provides them with the facility to do so. In any case, it might be an idea to speak with a lawyer before making too many far-reaching changes on account of whatever threat or notification was made.

    Anyhow, by this post, I'm herewith offering up to €1,000 to help defend any prosecution that might arise, or to settle any fine levied, under this preposterous, ludicrous, hostile and primitive law.

    Is anybody else prepared to match that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Stupid laws may be stupid, but givimg those who want a platform to openly abuse others a free reign is even stupider.
    You need to learn the difference between insulting religion and insulting people. Since the former is based on delusions and fairy tales, it's fair game, and it's quite possible to call it out as nonsense without insulting people in the process. If someone is so wedded to their religion that an insult to the concept is taken as an insult to their person, that's their problem. Or should be, except that some of those same people are in position to write and pass laws to protect their feelings.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



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