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  • #32
    ringadingding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ringadingding


    Jaysus, you can't go near that Muhammad feller without getting someone's knickers in a twist

    Some boyo


  • #33
    Ace Attorney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭Ace Attorney


    Are people actually being prosecuted for breaking the blasphemy law in modern ireland? i mean surely its just seen as an ancient law that is no longer revelant


  • #34
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Okay, now I'm really confused.
    It's not okay to call Mohammed a paedophile(I never even saw this post just going by whats in this thread)as it is against blasphemy laws in this State but the Catholic Church can be run down every hands turn(no lover of them but just in context)with every description of abuse and Jesus is a regular figure of ridicule in AH.

    I hate to say it but I don't know what a tracker mortgage is?


  • #35
    PLUG71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    Seachmall wrote: »
    The thread was about Tommy Robinson leaving the EDL, the OP however was quick to change the discussion to how evil Islam is and repeatedly referred to racist/bigoted/Islamophobic blogs and sites.

    Y'know, the usual.
    Some posters were genuine and not racist!


  • #36
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Smidge wrote: »
    Okay, now I'm really confused.
    It's not okay to call Mohammed a paedophile(I never even saw this post just going by whats in this thread)as it is against blasphemy laws in this State but the Catholic Church can be run down every hands turn(no lover of them but just in context)with every description of abuse and Jesus is a regular figure of ridicule in AH.

    I hate to say it but I don't know what a tracker mortgage is?

    Nobody threatens legal action.


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  • #37
    MurdyWurdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭MurdyWurdy


    Smidge wrote: »
    Okay, now I'm really confused.
    It's not okay to call Mohammed a paedophile(I never even saw this post just going by whats in this thread)as it is against blasphemy laws in this State but the Catholic Church can be run down every hands turn(no lover of them but just in context)with every description of abuse and Jesus is a regular figure of ridicule in AH.

    I hate to say it but I don't know what a tracker mortgage is?

    I was thinking this too. Some posters take every opportunity to denigrate the Catholic Church and there are many posts that devout Catholics would find very offensive (I am not a Catholic, nor am I offended by it I'm just using it as an example). It is only blasphemous if it's about Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha/Flying Spaghetti Monster or are all negative things about the church not allowed?

    It really is very confusing.


  • #38
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    kneemos wrote: »
    Nobody threatens legal action.

    :confused:


  • #39
    Joe10000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Joe10000


    Smidge wrote: »
    Okay, now I'm really confused.
    It's not okay to call Mohammed a paedophile(I never even saw this post just going by whats in this thread)as it is against blasphemy laws in this State but the Catholic Church can be run down every hands turn(no lover of them but just in context)with every description of abuse and Jesus is a regular figure of ridicule in AH.

    I hate to say it but I don't know what a tracker mortgage is?

    That's a very fair point.


  • #40
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Dav wrote: »
    No, someone emailed me what looked to me to be pretty blatant breaches of the blasphemy law.

    One man's joke is another man's hate crime.

    can you point me in the direction of someone who will take me to court for blasphemy, quick flight in to dublin blasphem the pasta monster , get arrested fly out

    hopefully this person is in temple bar so we can replace stag weekends, a new gathering type thing


  • #41
    iCrazzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭iCrazzy


    I can do what ever I want, no one is my boss, there I said it ;)


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  • #42
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    MurdyWurdy wrote: »
    I was thinking this too. Some posters take every opportunity to denigrate the Catholic Church that devout Catholics would find very offensive (I am not a Catholic, nor am I offended by it I'm just using it as an example). It is only blasphemous if it's about Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha/Flying Spaghetti Monster or are all negative things about the church not allowed.

    It really is very confusing.

    I'm not a follower of any organised religion and had a quick read of the Statute there online and as far as I can tell it's as clear as mud.


  • #43
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Dav wrote: »
    I don't know why a very small number of members here chose to ignore my warning, but it is my responsibility to this site to ensure that when notified of potentially illegal content on it, that I must remove it.
    .................

    Considering your view expressed here


    "Mocking a religion is mocking those that practise it. No idea why anything thinks they have the right to mock any religion anyway, it is at best poor manners and at worst incitement of hatred."
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84589661&postcount=147

    ...I'd that's a handy coincidence.

    As the law is designed to be unprosecutable, I fail to see why theres a fear of prosecution.


  • #44
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Dav wrote: »
    You can't objectively look at historical records with currently applicable cultural norms.

    That's fair enough, but I can't help but wonder to what extent Boards are willing to apply that standard.

    I honestly don't mean to be argumentative over this, but people do that all the time regardless of what race, creed or ethnicity the subject of discussion happens to be.

    Is it only going to be a problem if it's reported to you guys in an official and opaque way? What about reported posts and on-thread accusations of such implications?

    I'm only asking because of the seemingly official and final manner of your warning.


  • #45
    SweepTheLeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭SweepTheLeg


    They should take a look at the Athiesm forum, plenty of Blasphemy going on there. But just not against the right religion yh?


  • #46
    Vanilla Glacier
    Site Banned Posts: 5 ✭Vanilla Glacier


    Can we insult shuhammed?


  • #47
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    MurdyWurdy wrote: »
    I was thinking this too. Some posters take every opportunity to denigrate the Catholic Church and there are many posts that devout Catholics would find very offensive (I am not a Catholic, nor am I offended by it I'm just using it as an example). It is only blasphemous if it's about Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha/Flying Spaghetti Monster or are all negative things about the church not allowed?

    It really is very confusing.


    simples you can't call Mo a pedo, but you can point out he married a minor. Mary was not a slapper that made a fool out of Joseph just a naive young lady what got execited with a door to door salesman called Gabriel


  • #48
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Is it blasphemous to insult Flying Spaghetti Monster?


  • #49
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    This is risk-aversion gone mad.


  • #50
    losthorizon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭losthorizon


    Its a pity about the tone of the debates as well. Attack the post not the poster should be enforced. On the thread that was taken down one poster called another a Nazi - no need for that kind of stuff.


  • #51
    markomuscle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭markomuscle


    so i'm guessing it's best not to mention priests on boards? i'm lost


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  • #52
    downonthefarm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭downonthefarm


    this is heavy stuff,boards on the whole is a helpful site.minus the do gooders and the johnny law lovers


  • #53
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I totally get why this may be a legal issue for ye D, especially with something as mindlessly eye swivelingly dumb as our blasphemy law. I mean WTF was going through what passes for the brains of our lawmakers with that one? A Sherlock moment? A bad hangover from the Dail bar? Fcuking retarded(in the historical sense of the word) ain't in it. Even the much maligned Inquisition wasn't so all encompassing...

    Annnyway...
    Dav wrote: »
    You can't objectively look at historical records with currently applicable cultural norms.
    One could argue that one can and indeed should look at historical mores, when such historical(and frankly daft) mores are considered applicable today by some people in some cultures. Yes a minority, thank god/fates/science[delete as is your wont], but when child brides are being married off this very day among a subset of a culture then not talking about it is the real crime. Indeed folks in the wider culture concerned do talk about it and consider it daft and something to be stamped out as wanton primitivism.

    Can we not discuss and berate FGM? Cos that's a cultural/religious practice too. Hell there was a thread on routine neonatal male circumcision recently and that had a majority saying GTFO with good scientific and moral arguments to back that up. Does this mean "blasphemy" to Jews and Muslims too?

    Don't get me wrong D, I know ye're caught between a rock and a hard place legally speaking and god I soooo wish I was a billionaire so I could give you a big enough fcuk off legal warchest so you could tell those who would seek to stifle genuine discussion by pointing at daft laws, but sadly I'm not. :(

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #54
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    In as unbannable a manner as possible, what happened in Athlone?
    Is this the "why do you like riding hippos" thing again? It resurfaces on AH every few months and we all have a good nostalgic chuckle about it ;)

    That rape of the two girls, I'm just thinking this because there was a whole bunch of locked threads about it (which I just skimmed but I presume that people were assuming that the guy arrested was guilty).

    In short though this is silly, are "facts" no longer quotable? If the applicable law is about incitement to hatred reference that one, or just say its not the sort of thing thats wanted on Boards.ie .

    Even taking a look at this thread hear it appears that people that are active at setting policy at various levels of the site would disagree with your approach. (its a long thread)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056461252


  • #55
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Im not legal expert but judging by the wording of it, it is near impossible to enforce the blasphemy law due to having to prove that the persons aim was to cause outrage.

    For example, I find the idea that a magical being just popped humans out of thin air to be stupid.

    While a creationist might take offence, my comment wasn't created to cause outrage but to express an opinion.


  • #56
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Is it blasphemous to insult Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    airborne pasta entity with self esteem issues if you don't mind


  • #57
    Galadriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Galadriel


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Is it blasphemous to insult Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    Yes, His Noodly Goodness would not be happy.


  • #58
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Smidge wrote: »
    Okay, now I'm really confused.
    It's not okay to call Mohammed a paedophile(I never even saw this post just going by whats in this thread)as it is against blasphemy laws in this State but the Catholic Church can be run down every hands turn(no lover of them but just in context)with every description of abuse and Jesus is a regular figure of ridicule in AH.

    I hate to say it but I don't know what a tracker mortgage is?

    I suppose it goes back to the blasphemy law quoted above....the key point being about the AMOUNT of outrage it incites ("substantial number").. i.e. you can barge into Coppers on thursday night and say "mohammed is a #####" and pretty much get away with it...but do the same in a mosque during prayer time..the incitement is akin to yelling "fire" in a very crowded area indoors! (I got that from Judge Judy BTW).


  • #59
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    kneemos wrote: »
    Hard to know what blasphemy is.

    Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for a religious deity, irreverence towards religious or holy persons or things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable.[1][2][3]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy


    Reverence (emotion) a subjective response to something excellent in a personal way
    Reverence (attitude), the acknowledgement of the legitimacy of the power of one's superior or superiors
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence

    I think we really do need 'blasphemy' to be defined as per the 'Blasphemy Law', and what will and will not be considered 'blasphemy' on boards, because by the above definitions saying that we do not believe in god could be considered 'blasphemy'.


  • #60
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    For example, I find the idea that a magical being just popped humans out of thin air to be stupid.

    While a creationist might take offence of my comment wasn't created to cause outrage but to express an opinion.

    Would you say it in front of a creationist?


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  • #61
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Is it blasphemous to insult Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    Insulting to the few billion religious people around the world.
    Just respect other peoples beliefs. Same goes for people of faith. Respect athiests and what not.

    It would seem that its asking too much for people to live their own lives in this world.


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