Postcode system predictions

MBSnr · 04-10-2013 04:45PM

>It means that the ever ongoing process is to select a postcode management license holder to implement ABC 123 and manage it for 10 years and nothing else!

Whoa! No wonder the minister hasn't decided as yet..... I mean like who'd be in a rush to announce a system which is pointless.

Ah yes you want my address... sure it's

Some Townland
Outside of some Village
A long way from some Town where the post used to go 50 yrs back by donkey
County Nowhere

and don't forget my postcode to narrow it down to the townland I already put in my address...
NWH 123

Genius. This country....

aimhigh · 04-10-2013 05:16PM

MBSnr wrote: »

>It means that the ever ongoing process is to select a postcode management license holder to implement ABC 123 and manage it for 10 years and nothing else!

Whoa! No wonder the minister hasn't decided as yet..... I mean like who'd be in a rush to announce a system which is pointless.

Ah yes you want my address... sure it's

Some Townland
Outside of some Village
A long way from some Town where the post used to go 50 yrs back by donkey
County Nowhere

and don't forget my postcode to narrow it down to the townland I already put in my address...
NWH 123

Genius. This country....

except the NWH will not be the townland it will be the town where my mail is sorted by An Post which could be in another county altogether! Not much use to the owner and even less use to anyone else trying to find it!

......and as the mail business declines the NWH sorting office will close and get moved to HWN so everyone has to change their postcodes all over again!

MBSnr · 04-10-2013 05:35PM

aimhigh wrote: »

except the NWH will not be the townland it will be the town where my mail is sorted by An Post which could be in another county altogether! Not much use to the owner and even less use to anyone else trying to find it!

......and as the mail business declines the NWH sorting office will close and get moved to HWN so everyone has to change their postcodes all over again!

:eek: Another one to add to the ever increasing list of exceptionally bad decisions....

Leonard Shelby · 04-10-2013 07:14PM

MBSnr wrote: »

:eek: Another one to add to the ever increasing list of exceptionally bad decisions....

Not according to Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/postcode-system-to-be-implemented-within-18-months-1.1447909

"Postcode system to be implemented within 18 months
Every home and business premises in State to be issued with ‘unique identifier’ "

I'll join with you in condemning a bad decision if its made, but we really don't know what it will be yet.

aimhigh · 04-10-2013 09:10PM

Leonard Shelby wrote: »

Not according to Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/postcode-system-to-be-implemented-within-18-months-1.1447909

"Postcode system to be implemented within 18 months
Every home and business premises in State to be issued with ‘unique identifier’ "

I'll join with you in condemning a bad decision if its made, but we really don't know what it will be yet.

A “postcode operator” is due to be appointed in September,... your quoted article also says - and that was not correct either!

Every property in Ireland already has a unique identifier but it's just not suitable as a public postcode!

Over the last 5 years, (since Noel Dempsey's first Jan 2008 deadline) the Irish papers have told us many times that postcodes were imminent;- nothing they have heralded on this subject has ever happened! Here's another example from 2009: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ryan-says-postcodes-will-improve-efficiency-26567921.html

In the meantime, all we can do is deal with facts as they are presented by the Department of Communications who hold full responsibility for all that happens and/or doesn't happen on the subject!

trellheim · 08-10-2013 02:41PM

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2013/RABBITTE+GETS+GREEN+LIGHT+NEXT+GEN+POSTCODE+BY+2015.htm

I thought this was illegal per the DPC decision referenced above ?

The Minister for Communications, Pat Rabbitte has today won agreement from the Cabinet for the rollout of a new national postcode system that will provide a unique seven character code to every letter-box in the State by 2015.

Under the new system, Ireland will be the first country in the world to have a public database of unique identifiers for all properties that will assist citizens, public bodies and businesses to locate every individual household in the State.

This will alleviate the current situation whereby more than 30% of all domestic addresses are not unique. It will mean that individual apartments and offices in large developments will each have an individual code as long as specific post-boxes are provided.

The Postcode will be a 7 character code in the format A65 B2CD, with the first three characters relating to a general area or postal district in which the address is located. In Dublin, existing postal districts will appear as the first three characters of the new postcode.

The new system, which will be operational in Spring 2015, will bring Ireland in line with other European countries whereby postcode systems have been the norm for many decades.

Minister Rabbitte commented, “I am very pleased to announce that Ireland will at last have a publically-owned national postcode system. Most countries have had the benefit of such systems since the mid 1900’s. I am very glad to announce that in making the move now we have been able to use the technology and systems available today to move to a next generation system. The Irish code will be the first in the world to be unique to each individual address.

CrazyRabbit · 08-10-2013 03:34PM

7 character code when 6 would have done. Really don't need a unique code each house. One for each street would do if we are retaining house numbers.

2 characters for county
2 numbers for area (01-99)
2 for street or route identifier.

So for example DU1548 would be the Dublin 15, 48th street/route (in a list of streets/routes).

Though I suppose with the new system you can just add the postcode and nothing else and the mail should reach the right house.

Still...pain the ass to remember a bunch of random letters/names. Much easier to remember street names.

MBSnr · 08-10-2013 03:57PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

7 character code when 6 would have done. Really don't need a unique code each house. One for each street would do if we are retaining house numbers.

2 characters for county
2 numbers for area (01-99)
2 for street or route identifier.

So for example DU1548 would be the Dublin 15, 48th street/route (in a list of streets/routes).

Though I suppose with the new system you can just add the postcode and nothing else and the mail should reach the right house.

Still...pain the ass to remember a bunch of random letters/names. Much easier to remember street names.

But if they don't have house numbers, like most of rural Ireland? How does your system work? We don't all live in cities.

I can rem some 7 digit postcodes for the UK for family members. Why is it that this thread has people complaining about having to rem. these codes and the extra hassle that they'll bring....? Do you know every single phone number off by heart or do you occasionally have to look one up in your phone to pass on to someone? Same difference surely? I mean how many letters are you writing a day?

Really why is it seen as hassle even though it a positive sensible thing they have done?

jimgoose · 08-10-2013 03:59PM

Ireland does not need postcodes. The current "Yerra I wouldn't shtart from there, if I werroo!" system suits us perfectly as a people and works nicely.

JONJO THE MISER · 08-10-2013 04:03PM

Why cant they leave it the way it always was, why do we need to change now?

Mykola · 08-10-2013 04:04PM

Don't be fooled. this is is Not a postcode.This is a code to make sure nobody gets away with not paying TV licence, water charges, Property tax. waste charges

TheBandicoot · 08-10-2013 04:09PM

Mykola wrote: »

Don't be fooled. this is is Not a postcode.This is a code to make sure nobody gets away with not paying TV licence, water charges, Property tax. waste charges

:rolleyes:

carlmango11 · 08-10-2013 04:16PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Why cant they leave it the way it always was, why do we need to change now?

Because postcodes are far more efficient than "Paddy O'Shea's house, Ballynowhere, Ireland".

MBSnr · 08-10-2013 04:21PM

Mykola wrote: »

Don't be fooled. this is is Not a postcode.This is a code to make sure nobody gets away with not paying TV licence, water charges, Property tax. waste charges

Not doubt that's the main driving reason, but why should anyone get away with not paying in the first place of charges already in place?

I'd agree that it could enable new charges to be introduced.....

Leonard Shelby · 08-10-2013 04:27PM

MBSnr wrote: »

Not doubt that's the main driving reason, but why should anyone get away with not paying in the first place of charges already in place?

I'd agree that it could enable new charges to be introduced.....

Won't need to worry about that until 2015 at the earliest, and given the delays so far...

Unique codes are good, but doesn't anyone else think it's a bit strange that An Post didn't win the tender??

MBSnr · 08-10-2013 04:56PM

Leonard Shelby wrote: »

Unique codes are good, but doesn't anyone else think it's a bit strange that An Post didn't win the tender??

Theirs was lost in the post I guess...

AlanS181824 · 08-10-2013 05:19PM

A unique code for every house in the country? Good god.... Good luck with that An Post or whoever's admisitering it.

CelticRambler · 08-10-2013 05:35PM

I was listening to the Minister rabbitte on this afternoon about the economic benefits of this wonderful new system. What benefits? You can hardly make a case for the savings of a few litres of diesel for the odd ambulance that drives 'round the countryside looking for a house, and courriers won't save much when they don't wait long enough for you to answer the door before dropping a "you were out" note through the letterbox.

Here in France, we've got 5-digit postcodes but they cover anything up to 15 different townlands and (if you think the Irish are bad at joined-up government) those 5-digit codes don't match the 5-digit codes that identify each village. As said above, in Britain, the postcode still has to be joined to a house name or number to make it complete, so what exactly is the benefit of identifying each and every postbox in the country ... and what happens if your post box isn't connected to your house?

Jamie2k9 · 08-10-2013 05:40PM

These new post codes will put a lot of noses out of joint in Dublin. People who actually live in somewhere but claim they live in a posh area, whatever will you do now!

Example plenty who live in Ballymun claim its Glasnevin and living in areas of Blacnh but say Castleknock.

MBSnr · 08-10-2013 05:49PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

I was listening to the Minister rabbitte on this afternoon about the economic benefits of this wonderful new system. What benefits? You can hardly make a case for the savings of a few litres of diesel for the odd ambulance that drives 'round the countryside looking for a house, and courriers won't save much when they don't wait long enough for you to answer the door before dropping a "you were out" note through the letterbox.

It's a benefit though. Times it by tens of thousands of times it happens and the saving is massive.

Here in France, we've got 5-digit postcodes but they cover anything up to 15 different townlands and (if you think the Irish are bad at joined-up government) those 5-digit codes don't match the 5-digit codes that identify each village. As said above, in Britain, the postcode still has to be joined to a house name or number to make it complete, so what exactly is the benefit of identifying each and every postbox in the country ... and what happens if your post box isn't connected to your house?

Erm... You don't see the benefit of being able to identity each and every house? Really? What about those in rural Ireland, deliveries to my work office by couriers etc? Surely if they knew exactly where the location was, things would be easier for me not having to 'talk them in' from 3 kms away...

Well I'd imagine most postboxes are within sight of a house, or at the end of a driveway or similar. If the gates are shut but the postcode points to the house at the end of the drive, I'd say you'd post it in the postbox. Else if it's a package you'd ring the door entry system. An Post will still be delivering the post in 2015 so nothing much changes for them.
If you mean PO boxes then I'm sure they'd get a special code or consideration.

diomed · 08-10-2013 06:02PM

"Soon" :rolleyes:

Mykola · 08-10-2013 06:09PM

TheBandicoot wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I bet you and the people who thanked your post would have said rolleyes too back in 2006 when people said the economy was going to crash.

Reindeer · 08-10-2013 06:17PM

If they are smart they will adopt the UK or the German system. Both work incredibly well. After they tackle post codes, maybe they'll tackle street addresses in general.

When I first landed here, I was stunned that I could be in the middle of seemingly new houses looking for an address, say #113 Slieve Noodle BLVD, and it would be directly across from #3. So, odd numbers on opposite sides of the road and a numbering system that often seems to begin and end arbitrarily - and this is in NEW developments; not viking era stuff. When I mentioned this to a co-worker that also drove for a living at the time, he was confused. I had to explain to him that where I am from in the US if someone gave me an address like:
1313 North Noodle St. that before I even leave for that address, I already know it is 13 blocks from town centre, being a street VS an Avenue or BLVD it runs north-south(if the NORTH part of that address didn't give enough of a clue), and because the address is odd it would be on the west side of that street. Because it is North Noodle, I know it is north of the town centre, and that 1 North Noodle and 1 South Noodle would likely be straddling Main ST - or whatever the Main St is named. And in many circumstances, the names are alphabetical, too. Noodle Street would be right after Macaroni Street if headed away from town centre. Because it is alphabetical, noodle is likely to be the 13th(or 14th depending on how they do it) block over from centre as well. It doesn't always work this way, but it often does. Ireland? Er... You stop and ask someone and hope they aren't messers - especially not the messers that just swapped the street signs.

AlanS181824 · 08-10-2013 06:21PM

Reindeer wrote: »

If they are smart they will adopt the UK or the German system. Both work incredibly well. After they tackle post codes, maybe they'll tackle street addresses in general.

When I first landed here, I was stunned that I could be in the middle of seemingly new houses looking for an address, say #113 Slieve Noodle BLVD, and it would be directly across from #3. So, odd numbers on opposite sides of the road and a numbering system that often seems to begin and end arbitrarily - and this is in NEW developments; not viking era stuff. When I mentioned this to a co-worker that also drove for a living at the time, he was confused. I had to explain to him that where I am from in the US if someone gave me an address like:
1313 North Noodle St. that before I even leave for that address, I already know it is 13 blocks from town centre, being a street VS an Avenue or BLVD it runs north-south(if the NORTH part of that address didn't give enough of a clue), and because the address is odd it would be on the west side of that street. Because it is North Noodle, I know it is north of the town centre, and that 1 North Noodle and 1 South Noodle would likely be straddling Main ST - or whatever the Main St is named. And in many circumstances, the names are alphabetical, too. Noodle Street would be right after Macaroni Street if headed away from town centre. Because it is alphabetical, noodle is likely to be the 13th(or 14th depending on how they do it) block over from centre as well. It doesn't always work this way, but it often does. Ireland? Er... You stop and ask someone and hope they aren't messers - especially not the messers that just swapped the street signs.

An american spelling centre the right way?
You sir, are a legend! :P

I really hope they keep the new system, simply yet functional. Knowing our government though its gonna be very long winded and won't make much sense!

iverjohnston · 08-10-2013 06:30PM

If the system is introduced as announced, I Will on longer need to print the address. Mary, at19mjp is all I Will need. Correct?

LordSutch · 08-10-2013 07:03PM

iverjohnston wrote: »

If the system is introduced as announced, I Will on longer need to print the address. Mary, at19mjp is all I Will need. Correct?

Correct I think, as can be done with UK addresses. I suspect however that it will be preferable to fillout the full addrerss, just for the sake of making it foolproof for the local postie on his bicycle.

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diomed · 08-10-2013 08:55PM

Mykola wrote: »

I bet you and the people who thanked your post would have said rolleyes too back in 2006 when people said the economy was going to crash.

What is the connection between the economic crash and post codes?

You are not good at guessing or betting.
I retired early in 2006, no mortgage, no credit card balances, no loans, got out my few Euro from AVCs (additional voluntary pension contributions), held it for two years until the stock market crashed, and then invested.

I'm doing alright. How you doing?

galwayrush · 08-10-2013 09:13PM

Will we have the Post Code Tax ( plus vat) before the actual codes?

Wabbit Ears · 08-10-2013 09:35PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

These new post codes will put a lot of noses out of joint in Dublin. People who actually live in somewhere but claim they live in a posh area, whatever will you do now!

Example plenty who live in Ballymun claim its Glasnevin and living in areas of Blacnh but say Castleknock.

I was just about to say the same thing. If they go by land registry etc a heap load of estates will no longer be where the developers incorrectly named them.

08-10-2013 09:48PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I was just about to say the same thing. If they go by land registry etc a heap load of estates will no longer be where the developers incorrectly named them.

Going by land registry might lead to other problems. Baronies and areas based on 1800's land ownership might not be the most efficient way to code properties that would lead to the most efficient sorting and delivering. Off-point but some rural areas still go by old spellings of their names in the land registry, it's a geographic system that could do with being updated but probably wont be as maps and documents can't really be changed. I would have thought the best way of developing a postal code system is to go by current postal routes. It might be a better idea to use the new postal code system to update the land registry.

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