Saudi Arabia - 10 years, 2000 lashes, 10K Fine for dancing on a car roof

valknut · 08-10-2013 05:03PM

Hoop66 wrote: »

There's a difference between being disgusted by the actions of the Saudi religious police and saying, or implying, things like "muslims are all savages".

Judging muslims by the actions of Wahhabi islamist cúnts is like judging christians by the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church cúnts.

Rubbish, the wesboro baptist church are a tiny family church who have no real following or influence have never killed anyone and are laughed at by fellow Christians. With Islam there is lots of extremist groups who have acted on there believes and killed and injured people. Doesn't matter if it's the Middle East, Europe or Africa these communities exist. Also there is no Christian county that has religious Police like this that inflicts this kind of punishment, only Islamic countryside.

I know there are plenty of normal muslims but there very silent in speaking out against the extremits in there communities, particularly in Europe.

Miss_Kitami · 08-10-2013 05:09PM

Lapin wrote: »

Over what time period would the 2000 lashes be administered?
No matter what way I look at it, that amount even over the space of a decade is potentially life threatening.

The multiple risks of infection alone is enough to give you nightmares. Add in the potential for the victim to have a weak heart, or blood loss from the skin breaking...eeep.

valknut · 08-10-2013 05:10PM

token101 wrote: »

Is it? I don't know of any Christian countries which conform to the beliefs of Fred Phelps. Many, if not most, countries which have Islam as the official religion have these practices, maybe not as barbaric as that desert cesspit, but not too far off either. Even in the so called 'moderate' places like Dubai you can be jailed for not wearing a shirt in certain places. And you need only look at the support the Muslim Brotherhood have in Egypt to see that this stuff isn't just the work of a few loonies either, it's a fairly large segment of the public.

On a side note, that Saudi Gazette is hilariously patronising. What a ****hole that place is.

Spot on, even places with a good standard of living have these backward primitive laws.

Don't know how people can say you are intolerant for criticizing Islam when the belief is pretty much the definition on intolerance. You only have to look at Islamic countrys and European countries with large Islamic communities as proof.

old hippy · 08-10-2013 05:16PM

valknut wrote: »

Rubbish, the wesboro baptist church are a tiny family church who have no real following or influence have never killed anyone and are laughed at by fellow Christians. With Islam there is lots of extremist groups who have acted on there believes and killed and injured people. Doesn't matter if it's the Middle East, Europe or Africa these communities exist. Also there is no Christian county that has religious Police like this that inflicts this kind of punishment, only Islamic countryside.

I know there are plenty of normal muslims but there very silent in speaking out against the extremits in there communities, particularly in Europe.

Silent, you say?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2333

Itwasntme. · 08-10-2013 05:35PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

I hate Saudis. Nuff said.

One thing I eagerly look forward to in my pension years: Watching their outcome once their oil runs dry in the late 21st century... they can no longer play their blackmailing ways, and watch other countries **** them over as they can't do shlt there after since the west couldn't give a shlt about them. It'll just become another destablised middle-east country.

"When the elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers." - A proverb from somewhere in Africa.

It makes me sad to think that the ordinary Saudi is suffering now under this oppressive regime and will probably still suffer even more under whoever will be the 'purveyor of democracy' or whatever. Just like the Iraqis, the Afghans and the rest of the people around the world who are but innocent civilians and foot soldiers in the giants' resource wars.

Amirani · 08-10-2013 05:56PM

Miss_Kitami wrote: »

I'd have expected the bare-back.

Yep, that's pretty much always the case. Plenty of permanent scarring for the unfortunate victim.

Shenshen · 08-10-2013 06:00PM

token101 wrote: »

Is it? I don't know of any Christian countries which conform to the beliefs of Fred Phelps. Many, if not most, countries which have Islam as the official religion have these practices, maybe not as barbaric as that desert cesspit, but not too far off either. Even in the so called 'moderate' places like Dubai you can be jailed for not wearing a shirt in certain places. And you need only look at the support the Muslim Brotherhood have in Egypt to see that this stuff isn't just the work of a few loonies either, it's a fairly large segment of the public.

On a side note, that Saudi Gazette is hilariously patronising. What a ****hole that place is.

Uganda does spring to mind...

The_Valeyard · 08-10-2013 06:03PM

If It were not for all their lovely oil we would have nothing to do with this backward regime.

Is it still illegal for a woman to drive a car over there??? Crazy stuff.

Also how they treat immigrants from Asian nations is scandalous, almost like a slave labour workforce.

Didnt a large number of the 9/11 highjackers come from Saudi Arabia? But the royal family was to snugged up with Bush, so needed another country to bomb instead.

valknut · 08-10-2013 06:17PM

old hippy wrote: »

Silent, you say?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2333

Of course there will be a few voices but by and large they stay silent. Contrast this with the way they protest worldwide when a drawing they don't like or when a movie they don't like is released there is riots and death, fact. I'll leave you this to view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SggQhHdZ1Y

meemeemee · 08-10-2013 06:29PM

Well, I was wondering myself, about the poor fella who got 10 years and 2000 lashes.

It seems that they are divided up into weekly thrashings. Apparently you would expect to get a session of 50 a week.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3927504&page=1

Poor bugger has gone a long year ahead of him.

Nodin · 08-10-2013 06:30PM

valknut wrote: »

:rolleyes:Of course there will be a few voices but by and large they stay silent. Contrast this with the way they protest worldwide when a drawing they don't like or when a movie they don't like is released there is riots and death, fact. I'll leave you this to view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SggQhHdZ1Y

Was there a protest on the streets everytime the RA killed or bombed?

Zebra3 · 08-10-2013 06:31PM

Lapin wrote: »

Due to the poster's incongruity in casting aspersions on another in relation to race when discussing one of the most openly racist countries in the world.
Had the topic centered around a more enlightened nation the same sense of irony wouldn't exist.

You are aware that Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship (western backed one too) and the people living their don't get to elect the people who enact racist legislation, right? :rolleyes:

So does that make westerners racist because they vote in governments that support racist regimes?

barney10 · 08-10-2013 06:59PM

Nodin wrote: »

Was there a protest on the streets everytime the RA killed or bombed?

No because people were afraid of reprisal.

CdeC · 08-10-2013 07:03PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

As someone who has had a car written off by cnuts jumping on it, nothing strange about it at all.

It says they were dancing on their own cars

shruikan2553 · 08-10-2013 07:06PM

Could we rent a few of these police and set them loose on junkies or the beach during hot weather? I'd say they can clear scum better than cilit bang.

Nodin · 08-10-2013 07:11PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Uganda does spring to mind...

Zimbabwe in recent years, Uganda saw an attempt to bring in the death penalty for homosexuality a few years back....

losthorizon · 08-10-2013 07:15PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

I hate Saudis. Nuff said.

One thing I eagerly look forward to in my pension years: Watching their outcome once their oil runs dry in the late 21st century... they can no longer play their blackmailing ways, and watch other countries **** them over as they can't do shlt there after since the west couldn't give a shlt about them. It'll just become another destablised middle-east country.

My first cousin married a Saudi about 20 years ago. It was the first wedding I went to I think. She has lived there since very happily and is still a christian - he is not. They have two kids - not sure of their religion but I think one has an arabic name and one an Irish name.

I mean you cant judge somewhere by picking out the oddest newstory you find in the paper. Imagine a Saudi reading Irish papers two weeks ago and discovering that terrible story from Athlone or that a a leader of a political party in this country may have known that his brother abused his daughter for years but didnt report it but reported the wife for keeping an unclean house to social services? And yet some board members regard him as a candidate for President?

That paper mentions that Saudi police have broken up a human trafficking gang. Maybe they could pass on their expertise to the Italians. It seems to have a fairly normal run of the mill type of the reports. Sentences are harsher than here but you know that if you go off and commit a crime.

Don't get me wrong Saudi foreign affairs are terrible in the main. How does Saudi rank with say Oman?

losthorizon · 08-10-2013 07:17PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Uganda does spring to mind...

Ireland. we only decriminalised homosexuality a few years ago

weirdspider · 08-10-2013 07:34PM

Khannie wrote: »

Sounds delightfully racist.

How is it racist? He's referring to their backward culture, nothing to do with their skin colour. Xenophobic is perhaps what you mean? And its barely that either.

mitosis · 08-10-2013 07:34PM

meemeemee wrote: »

Saudi Arabia - 10 years, 2000 lashes, 10K Fine for dancing on a car roof

For clarity sake, upon reading the article in the OP, the punishment WAS NOT for dancing on a car roof. Did the OP even take the time to read his own references? The crime was "obscene behaviour" .

Doc Ruby · 08-10-2013 07:41PM

weirdspider wrote: »

How is it racist? He's referring to their backward culture, nothing to do with their skin colour. Xenophobic is perhaps what you mean? And its barely that either.

Actually that was a reference to a line from Matt Damon in Syriana, which - if one had watched that movie - casts a more nuanced light on things.

I'll be sure and only refer to Jim Carrey movies henceforth.

meemeemee · 08-10-2013 07:45PM

To be fair, there is only so much you can fit in a thread title.

Four lads were given prison, lashes and a fine.

One was accused of flashing his buttocks. He got the stiffest sentence. And a fine for an "indecent act".

Three got lesser ( if you can call them that ) sentences for dancing on the car roof. The articles I have read don't actually give the name of the crime, unless you can find it.

old hippy · 08-10-2013 08:06PM

valknut wrote: »

Of course there will be a few voices but by and large they stay silent. Contrast this with the way they protest worldwide when a drawing they don't like or when a movie they don't like is released there is riots and death, fact. I'll leave you this to view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SggQhHdZ1Y

I suggest you google the reaction to the Nairobi massacre.

Not that "they" are one big homogenous mono thought blob, which is unfortunate for those who like to tar "them" with the same brush.

Any Muslim friends or colleagues, out of curiosity?

bizmark · 08-10-2013 08:22PM

old hippy wrote: »

Any Muslim friends or colleagues, out of curiosity?

This is a good point iv always thought all those historians talking about the ancient greeks romans and Persians where a bunch of racists cause i mean they didnt have any anicent greek or roman or Persian friends ! how could they ever have an opinion on them if they never vomited together or attacked troy like brothers ?

Its just not on Joe and i think they are racists as a result

Femme_Fatale · 08-10-2013 08:27PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

I hate Saudis. Nuff said.

One thing I eagerly look forward to in my pension years: Watching their outcome once their oil runs dry in the late 21st century... they can no longer play their blackmailing ways, and watch other countries **** them over as they can't do shlt there after since the west couldn't give a shlt about them. It'll just become another destablised middle-east country.

Why the hatred of ALL of them? It's only the powerful cruel ones who are actually carrying this **** out. Most Saudis are suffering because of it - do you hate them too?
On the other hand, criticism of a regime like this is not, despite what some like to think = hatred of all muslims.

Lapin wrote: »

Anyway, I don't have time to give free online grinds in the English language right now. But feel free to send me PM to discuss suitable times, and of course - my fee.

No need for that snide shyte. I agree - there is no irony.

losthorizon wrote: »

I mean you cant judge somewhere by picking out the oddest newstory you find in the paper. Imagine a Saudi reading Irish papers two weeks ago and discovering that terrible story from Athlone or that a a leader of a political party in this country may have known that his brother abused his daughter for years but didnt report it but reported the wife for keeping an unclean house to social services? And yet some board members regard him as a candidate for President?

There is a lot more than one news story by which to judge the regimes in question, and the incident in Athlone isn't as a result of a culture with extreme hatred of females ingrained in it.

galwayrush · 08-10-2013 09:03PM

Tough country, I couldn't possible imagine how tough they would come down on something like gang rape.:rolleyes:

valknut · 08-10-2013 09:11PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Tough country, I couldn't possible imagine how tough they would come down on something like gang rape.:rolleyes:

Unless there was four men to witness probably nothing, http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_adultery.htm.

They'd then probably punish the girl for being promiscuous, http://mobile.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23404042.

Femme_Fatale · 08-10-2013 09:11PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Tough country, I couldn't possible imagine how tough they would come down on something like gang rape.:rolleyes:

Oh it would be tough all right - provided it was poor men raping another man. And most of the punishment would probably be for the homosexuality part.

metaoblivia · 08-10-2013 09:45PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Tough country, I couldn't possible imagine how tough they would come down on something like gang rape.:rolleyes:

This father got 8 years, 800 lashes and a $270,000 fine for raping and killing his 5 year old daughter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/fayhan-al-ghamdi-rapes-and-kills-daughter_n_4062652.html

What a country.

Nodin · 08-10-2013 09:54PM

valknut wrote: »

Unless (.....................).

Earlier you stated

"I know there are plenty of normal muslims but there very silent in speaking out against the extremits in there communities, particularly in Europe."

Was there a protest on the streets every time the RA killed or bombed?

Saudi Arabia - 10 years, 2000 lashes, 10K Fine for dancing on a car roof

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