"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them"

RedRunner · 08-10-2013 04:31PM

HelenAnne wrote: »

Well done, it's great to see you back & doing so well! Are you doing the long run with the club on Sunday? If so, you should come for breakfast after - sounds like lots of people are.

I did my 20 (or maybe a fraction over 20) on Sunday & felt pretty ok. Needless to say, without you & your trusty watch, I don't know my splits / pace / anything, but it felt like an OK pace and took us about 2.55. Just glad to have it done!

AND I had my poor old legs dealt with yesterday evening and the physio is pretty pleased with my ankle progress. Hurray! (And thanks to him and his healing hands!)

That's great to hear Helen and that time is not too shabby for 20!
I'm hoping to get to club for early run on Sunday but depends on my eldest's football schedule...breakfast sounds good alright if time permits.

RedRunner · 08-10-2013 10:28PM

Tuesday 8th October

Easy run home from work

6.8mi @9:44

The avg pace here is a little false due having to slow down as pedestrians in my way in town and also got a phone call during the run. I had my phone in backpack so stopped to answer it in case it was someone important. It turned out that it was...my Physio:D. He is happy with my progress, as I am too, and he told me which exercises to focus on until I next see him which will be the week after next when I go for a last once over before the big day.

No problems with this run. Still a bit of tiredness in legs though. A couple of twinges in hamstring forced me to check my stride once or twice.This is probably just fatigued muscles so need to be careful with the MP miles tomorrow.

Real avg pace was probably closer to 9:20-9:30 range.

Avg HR: 125
Max HR: 151

WTD|10.84
MTD|52.54
YTD|935.28

HelenAnne · 08-10-2013 11:45PM

RedRunner wrote: »

That's great to hear Helen and that time is not too shabby for 20!
I'm hoping to get to club for early run on Sunday but depends on my eldest's football schedule...breakfast sounds good alright if time permits.

Needless to say, I didn't have my watch on, so I'm just going on the time Des mentioned to me when we got back. It could have been slower. It was chatting pace (until the last half mile uphill when it became some kind of death march!)

RedRunner · 10-10-2013 12:50AM

Wednesday 9th October

Late run after 10pm. 10 miles @PMP

10.38mi @8:51

A bit of a strong breeze for some of this and it was cold. Temperature has definitely dropped today.

Avg HR: 135
Max HR: 168

WTD|21.18
MTD|62.88
YTD|945.62

Murph_D · 10-10-2013 07:57AM

Looking good RR. Nice run. Where did you do this - are you a northsider?

RedRunner · 10-10-2013 08:41AM

murphd77 wrote: »

Looking good RR. Nice run. Where did you do this - are you a northsider?

Thanks Murph

Yes I live on de Northside

Did this one around sutton, howth and along the coast between sutton an raheny. judging by your own posts you are not too far away yourself. weve probably passed by each other many times without knowing it.

RedRunner · 10-10-2013 09:38PM

Thursday 10th October

Recovery Run

3.31mi @9:54

Bit of a niggle in the back but not overly concerned. Rest day tomorrow should sort it out.

Avg HR: 133
Max HR: 166

WTD|24.49
MTD|66.19
YTD|948.93

RedRunner · 13-10-2013 02:21PM

Friday 11th October

Rest -Planned

Saturday 12th October

Was planning to do 6 or 7 easy today after work but work went on all day and into late evening so decided against it as I was doing 20 the following morning. Plan abandoned.

Sunday 13th October

Ran from the club.

20.02mi @9:13 in 3hrs 4mins

Splits:

First 10: 9:36,9:10,9:03,9:15,9:25,9:06,9:10,9:12,9:09,9:01
Last 10: 9:06,9:13,9:00,8:57,9:03,9:07,9:17,9:21,9:26,9:51

Avg HR 129
Max HR 153

WTD|44.55
MTD|86.25
YTD|968.99

Big Logger · 14-10-2013 12:40AM

Looking good for sub 4 RR

RedRunner · 14-10-2013 11:05PM

Good news today is that my back is grand to day. But just as I think I have the injuries under control I now have some knee pain:( .My left knee just under the knee cap.

Felt a weakness in the knee a couple of times during the run yesterday but got through it fine. It is bothering me today so decided no running and did some foam rolling , stretching and cycling instead.

This is not a taper madness type of niggle but one that concerns me now. My physio that i've been going to recently is on holidays this week and I'm not due to see him again until next week(Tues). Not sure if I should just rest a few days now or try get appointment with another physio this week. I'll sleep on it before I decide what to do. So feckin frustrating when things had been going well over last few weeks.Arrgggh!!

Skidrow · 14-10-2013 11:15PM

RedRunner wrote: »

Good news today is that my back is grand to day. But just as I think I have the injuries under control I now have some knee pain:( .My left knee just under the knee cap.

Felt a weakness in the knee a couple of times during the run yesterday but got through it fine. It is bothering me today so decided no running and did some foam rolling , stretching and cycling instead.

This is not a taper madness type of niggle but one that concerns me now. My physio that i've been going to recently is on holidays this week and I'm not due to see him again until next week(Tues). Not sure if I should just rest a few days now or try get appointment with another physio this week. I'll sleep on it before I decide what to do. So feckin frustrating when things had been going well over last few weeks.Arrgggh!!

Rest up for a day or two. I had a few niggles last week and a 2 day break cleared up everything. I think it is the body just settling down after a lot of hard work and asking for a rest(taper) before the the big one.

Look like you have plenty in the bank, so don't go over doing at this point.

Hope to see you at the start line or in McGrattans.:)

RedRunner · 14-10-2013 11:24PM

Skidrow wrote: »

Rest up for a day or two. I had a few niggles last week and a 2 day break cleared up everything. I think it is the body just settling down after a lot of hard work and asking for a rest(taper) before the the big one.

Look like you have plenty in the bank, so don't go over doing at this point.

Hope to see you at the start line or in McGrattans.:)

Cheers T, I hope that's all it needs.

RedRunner · 15-10-2013 06:04PM

Booked appt with Pearse street physio in the morning. Praying now that it is just tight itb and nothing that will prevent me running on 28th.

The itb is quite sore when rolling so will give that a bash again tonight too.

RedRunner · 16-10-2013 04:27PM

Went to physio. Looks like runners knee. Gave me some exercises and a rub down on quads an itb.....jaysus the pain!

Booked in for a full massage session on friday and review again on tuesday. no running till at least the weekend and only short jog on grass/soft surface then.

tbh im willing to sacrifice any running between now and dcm to make start line reasonably healthy.

RedRunner · 19-10-2013 05:35PM

Hadn't run since last Sunday because of knee issues.

On Friday I had sports massage, 60 minutes of unadulterated pain. Whoah! My wife says childbirth is worse, guess I'll just have to take her word for that.

Went for gentle run today on grass mostly to see how the knee felt.
A few times during the run the knee jarred a bit and I felt the pain for a short while but then it would ease fairly quickly. I think it is just generally weak and my gut is now telling me that DCM although it may be do-able is a bit of a risk. Will wait till Tuesday and see what physio says but at this moment in time I think DCM is seriously in doubt. It may be fate that I shouldn't run DCM this year.

Avg HR 133
Max HR 166

WTD|3.86
MTD|90.11
YTD|972.85

Steroo · 19-10-2013 05:43PM

Sounds dodgy. I had that runners knee and only rest cured it. And it was a by product of my hip:back issues.
You could try the marthon and end in serious disappointment.
You have London not too far away to aim for.

Runchick · 22-10-2013 01:29PM

Well RR have you been to physio?

RedRunner · 22-10-2013 05:33PM

Runchick wrote: »

Well RR have you been to physio?

7pm appointment after work. I've been flip flopping all day as to whether I should attempt it or not, because I have so much doubt, I'm probably better off avoiding it but I'm terrible and I always hold out hope till the last moment. In a weird way I'm almost hoping the physio tells me not to do it so that takes the decision away from me. If he is on the fence I plan to run home from physio (about 6 miles) if that is completely pain free then I have to think about it some more. If I have some pain then I won't run.

Ososlo · 22-10-2013 05:36PM

Tough one redrunner. Good luck with physio.

RunningKing · 22-10-2013 09:50PM

Wow. Only catching up now on your troubles.

Tough year for you. Make the right call.
If you run and do more damage will London be in doubt?

RedRunner · 22-10-2013 10:59PM

Been to Physio.......

Ran down from work, a little less than a mile. So the physio after examining me and rubbing the left quad out basically said that he could say based on tests he did that running the marathon was possible. Was it advisable though, if he was pushed he would err on side of caution and say don't run it.

He reckoned my plan was good, run home, if no pain reassess, if pain then probably give it a miss. After his treatment , the knee felt better and could do one legged squats on the bad knee without any difficulty.

So off I ran home, legs feeling lovely and fresh and MP feeling easy, but on way home felt the pain again in knee about 3 or 4 times within first few miles especially when I ran into a dip in the pathway or road. So at that point I made up my mind. I'm out. I didn't even bother running all the way home and cut it short and got the Dart home from Clontarf.

So whats the plan now..

Well for rest of year, break 1000mile barrier for year, new 5k and 10k PB and build up strength in legs and core to avoid recurrence of injuries again while I enter training cycle for London where I will give it socks!

I hope to be doing this still in 10-15 years time so I'll not risk DCM and use the training I've done for helping improve the shorter ones. Maybe try Clontarf half if back in time for that but, getting back fit now is primary goal.

Onwards and upwards and bring on London!

3.18mi @9:15ish

WTD|7.04
MTD|93.29
YTD|976.03

RedRunner · 22-10-2013 11:02PM

RunningKing wrote: »

Wow. Only catching up now on your troubles.

Tough year for you. Make the right call.
If you run and do more damage will London be in doubt?

There'd certainly be a risk that I could affect my early training for it so at this point I don't think its worth risking that. London is a blue riband event which is difficult to get an entry for so it is now my new "main thing":D

Ososlo · 22-10-2013 11:02PM

But SO MUCH admiration for you making that decision. It's great you can see the bigger picture and your running future looks very exciting indeed:)

RedRunner · 22-10-2013 11:10PM

Ososlo wrote: »

But SO MUCH admiration for you making that decision. It's great you can see the bigger picture and your running future looks very exciting indeed:)

Thanks Ososlo. Stay tuned. There's plenty of life left in this old dog yet!
Hope you have a great run yourself on Monday.I'm sure you will!:)

blockic · 22-10-2013 11:39PM

Sickener. Really srry to hear RR. Time to get fully right now and prepare for London early next year. The time will fly..

docjewel · 23-10-2013 04:22AM

Tough call to make RedRunner, but I like your positivity about it all, That entry to London seems to have soften the blow a little. Best of luck in your training for that.

career_move · 23-10-2013 06:55AM

docjewel wrote: »

Tough call to make RedRunner, but I like your positivity about it all, That entry to London seems to have soften the blow a little. Best of luck in your training for that.

+1

London will be all the sweeter!

ncmc · 23-10-2013 09:44AM

Oh no, not another one

So sad to hear about all these forced withdrawals so close to the event. It must be so disappointing, but I do think it's the right thing to do. No point in having a miserable race and possibly long term damage. I forgot you and Runchick had London entries, sure the training plan for that will be starting before you know it and hopefully you will both have great races and get the PB's you deserve.

Willie42 · 23-10-2013 10:36AM

+1 to all of the above and as CM said London will definitely be all the sweeter now

HelenAnne · 23-10-2013 11:40AM

Sorry to hear that, but get well soon & roll on London!

"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them"

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