IRA Today

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-10-2013 08:03AM #1

They protected their communities up North and policed the areas when the RUC wouldn't do their jobs. There was a sense honour in that form of the IRA before the split, no matter what anyone says, Nationalists couldn't phone the cops if they were in trouble

What's happened to today's IRA, they seem for the most part to be split into different organised crime factions. In my view there's no need for them anymore. Civil rights are there for all citizens of the North now. Politics, discussion and debate is now the way forward not the gun.

lkionm · 05-10-2013 08:04AM

Most of them are sitting in armchairs in west limerick

.jacksparrow. · 05-10-2013 08:06AM

Do we really need another one of these threads?

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 08:06AM

Fuel smuggling, extortion, vigilantism, property development, money laundering, robberies and so on. I'm sure they'd love a few of the old days back to legitimize themselves again.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-10-2013 08:23AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

Fuel smuggling, extortion, vigilantism, property development, money laundering, robberies and so on. I'm sure they'd love a few of the old days back to legitimize themselves again.

The Mafia in Italy only joined the underworld with the making of the full state. The 'Men of Honour' continued because that's all they knew how to do, they picked up many undesirables along the way.

This is what I think the IRA has become.

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 08:24AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The Mafia in Italy only joined the underworld with the making of the full state. The 'Men of Honour' continued because that's all they knew how to do, they picked up many undesirables along the way.

This is what I think the IRA has become.

There's no honour in murdering innocent people.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 05-10-2013 08:27AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

There's no honour in murdering innocent people.

the greatest generation called, they have something to say about that.

timthumbni · 05-10-2013 08:31AM

JBTM wrote: »

Any update on Stephen Ireland's availability?

Think his pet goldfish has died. He won't be available as he is organising the funeral.

Frank Garrett · 05-10-2013 08:31AM

The IRA disbanded after Captain Planet solved all the problems up there.

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 08:32AM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

the greatest generation called, they have something to say about that.

That's the problem.

JBTM · 05-10-2013 08:36AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Think his pet goldfish has died. He won't be available as he is organising the funeral.

It's a shame really, there was a lot of ability yet wasted talent in that goldfish. Just lacked the necessary desire and passion.

RIP all the same.

Banjo String · 05-10-2013 08:38AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They protected their communities up North and policed the areas when the RUC wouldn't do their jobs. There was a sense honour in that form of the IRA before the split, no matter what anyone says, Nationalists couldn't phone the cops if they were in trouble

Glorifies them.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What's happened to today's IRA, they seem for the most part to be split into different organised crime factions. In my view there's no need for them anymore. Civil rights are there for all citizens of the North now. Politics, discussion and debate is now the way forward not the gun.

Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.

That haven't 'for the most part' descended into criminality, that's an extremely broad statement.

I wouldn't deny that some ; members have indeed defected to various splinter groups, and dappled with organised crime, it's well known at this stage.

However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

Indeed many of them were instrumental to the peace process, and played a vital role in the peace enjoyed in the north today.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

timthumbni · 05-10-2013 08:39AM

Frank Garrett wrote: »

The IRA disbanded after Captain Planet solved all the problems up there.

Why don't Gerry bomber Kelly and Billy Hutchinson just get together and open a bakery together at the ardoyne shops. Then no more problems. Simples.

That is until some pesky dissident republican grouping tries to set off a nuclear bomb.

If memory serves me correctly there is a part of that cartoon that has camels and a desert in it. That must be the Malone road.

JBTM · 05-10-2013 08:42AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Why don't Gerry bomber Kelly and Billy Hutchinson just get together and open a bakery together at the ardoyne shops. Then no more problems. Simples.

That is until some pesky dissident republican grouping tries to set off a nuclear bomb.

If memory serves me correctly there is a part of that cartoon that has camels and a desert in it. That must be the Malone road.

It's a nice idea but unfortunately I can't see it ever happening. In a parallel universe, maybe. Sadly, the way things are today you've a better chance of getting the cat to sit still whilst giving it a bath.

Banjo String · 05-10-2013 08:42AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is what I think the IRA has become.

They don't exist anymore.

michael999999 · 05-10-2013 08:43AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

Fuel smuggling, extortion, vigilantism, property development, money laundering, robberies and so on. I'm sure they'd love a few of the old days back to legitimize themselves again.

Have they joined fianna fail?

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 08:45AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Glorifies them.

Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.

However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

I find all of the above truly terrifying to be honest.

Banjo String · 05-10-2013 08:47AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

I find all of the above truly terrifying to be honest.

That's good to know.

Sir Gallagher · 05-10-2013 08:54AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

I find all of the above truly terrifying to be honest.

No you don't.

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 08:54AM

Banjo String wrote: »

That's good to know.

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 05-10-2013 08:57AM

There is no such thing as the IRA anymore. There is no collective group calling themselves that, what there is though is a bunch of ill educated brainless scumbag criminals many of whom weren't alive during the 'troubles' and probably don't know the first thing about republicanism but loosely use the IRA banner as a backdrop to their criimes.

Sir Gallagher · 05-10-2013 08:58AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

Have you ever been up North in your life?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-10-2013 08:59AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Glorifies them.

Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.

That haven't 'for the most part' descended into criminality, that's an extremely broad statement.

I wouldn't deny that some ; members have indeed defected to various splinter groups, and dappled with organised crime, it's well known at this stage.

However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

Indeed many of them were instrumental to the peace process, and played a vital role in the peace enjoyed in the north today.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

You speak of the guys who left when they realised that the fight would be better fought through words once everybody was on equal footing in NI. Those who have stayed are different.

Banjo String · 05-10-2013 09:00AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

You think no members of the security forces from either spectrum of the U.K. sit in local govt/councils?

Oh, wait. But they were the 'good guys' right?

Wake up, would you ffs.

Saab Ed wrote: »

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

Eh?

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 09:01AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Have you ever been up North in your life?

Why would you ask that! More's the point, what difference would it make? You've already told me what all these ex terrorists are now doing i.e.helping to run the place.

Sunnyisland · 05-10-2013 09:01AM

They haven't gone away you know.....

Banjo String · 05-10-2013 09:03AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You speak of the guys who left when they realised that the fight would be better fought through words once everybody was on equal footing in NI.

Of course I do.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Those who have stayed are different.

Stayed where

The IRA have been disbanded. They don't exist anymore.

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 09:04AM

Banjo String wrote: »

You think no members of the security forces from either spectrum of the U.K. sit in local govt/councils?

Oh, wait. But they were the 'good guys' right?

Wake up, would you ffs.

When did I say that? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I await the usual nationalist/republican/fuel manufacturer tactic of having my opinion venomously ridiculed and put down sharpish.

Sir Gallagher · 05-10-2013 09:08AM

Saab Ed wrote: »

Why would you ask that! More's the point, what difference would it make? You've already told me what all these ex terrorists are now doing i.e.helping to run the place.

Because i see that same silly attitude on here all the time, "fck the north", "let it float away", "nothing to do with us". Trying to sound oh so controversial and cool for school. Making it out like it's some kind of warzone when in actual fact it's a just a fairly normal place with normal people who couldnt give two sh1tes about what side anybody's on.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-10-2013 09:11AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Of course I do.

Stayed where

The IRA have been disbanded. They don't exist anymore.

Who comes into Vozzas every week and collects 125euro. They don't exist anymore, just nice guys who use the name and extort honest hard working people.

Saab Ed · 05-10-2013 09:13AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Because i see that same silly attitude on here all the time, "fck the north", "let it float away", "nothing to do with us". Trying to sound oh so controversial and cool for school. Making it out like it's some kind of warzone when in actual fact it's a just a fairly normal place with normal people who couldnt give two sh1tes about what side anybody's on.

Well if its all so normal then I'd fully expect the normal folk to condemn and expel this criminal aspect from society rather than embrace it.

For want its worth, I do feel genuinely sorry for ordinary folk up there (probably like yourself) who never was or didn't want to have any hand or part in all that went on. Its just that, from my perspective anyway, it all did go on and despite the claims of wonderful new dawns from everywhere, reality is its still going on and its the same criminal aspect that's still the problem. Only difference now is they're actually in charge. Sorry , it could nvere be far enough away.

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