IRA Today

DEFTLEFTHAND

They protected their communities up North and policed the areas when the RUC wouldn't do their jobs. There was a sense honour in that form of the IRA before the split, no matter what anyone says, Nationalists couldn't phone the cops if they were in trouble

What's happened to today's IRA, they seem for the most part to be split into different organised crime factions. In my view there's no need for them anymore. Civil rights are there for all citizens of the North now. Politics, discussion and debate is now the way forward not the gun.

lkionm

Most of them are sitting in armchairs in west limerick

.jacksparrow.

Do we really need another one of these threads?

Saab Ed

Fuel smuggling, extortion, vigilantism, property development, money laundering, robberies and so on. I'm sure they'd love a few of the old days back to legitimize themselves again.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Saab Ed wrote: »

Fuel smuggling, extortion, vigilantism, property development, money laundering, robberies and so on. I'm sure they'd love a few of the old days back to legitimize themselves again.

The Mafia in Italy only joined the underworld with the making of the full state. The 'Men of Honour' continued because that's all they knew how to do, they picked up many undesirables along the way.

This is what I think the IRA has become.

Saab Ed

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The Mafia in Italy only joined the underworld with the making of the full state. The 'Men of Honour' continued because that's all they knew how to do, they picked up many undesirables along the way.

This is what I think the IRA has become.

There's no honour in murdering innocent people.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Saab Ed wrote: »

There's no honour in murdering innocent people.

the greatest generation called, they have something to say about that.

timthumbni

JBTM wrote: »

Any update on Stephen Ireland's availability?

Think his pet goldfish has died. He won't be available as he is organising the funeral.

Frank Garrett

The IRA disbanded after Captain Planet solved all the problems up there.

Saab Ed

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

the greatest generation called, they have something to say about that.

That's the problem.

JBTM

timthumbni wrote: »

Think his pet goldfish has died. He won't be available as he is organising the funeral.

It's a shame really, there was a lot of ability yet wasted talent in that goldfish. Just lacked the necessary desire and passion.

RIP all the same.

Banjo String

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They protected their communities up North and policed the areas when the RUC wouldn't do their jobs. There was a sense honour in that form of the IRA before the split, no matter what anyone says, Nationalists couldn't phone the cops if they were in trouble

Glorifies them.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What's happened to today's IRA, they seem for the most part to be split into different organised crime factions. In my view there's no need for them anymore. Civil rights are there for all citizens of the North now. Politics, discussion and debate is now the way forward not the gun.

Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.

That haven't 'for the most part' descended into criminality, that's an extremely broad statement.

I wouldn't deny that some ; members have indeed defected to various splinter groups, and dappled with organised crime, it's well known at this stage.

However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

Indeed many of them were instrumental to the peace process, and played a vital role in the peace enjoyed in the north today.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

timthumbni

Frank Garrett wrote: »

The IRA disbanded after Captain Planet solved all the problems up there.

Why don't Gerry bomber Kelly and Billy Hutchinson just get together and open a bakery together at the ardoyne shops. Then no more problems. Simples.

That is until some pesky dissident republican grouping tries to set off a nuclear bomb.

If memory serves me correctly there is a part of that cartoon that has camels and a desert in it. That must be the Malone road.

JBTM

timthumbni wrote: »

Why don't Gerry bomber Kelly and Billy Hutchinson just get together and open a bakery together at the ardoyne shops. Then no more problems. Simples.

That is until some pesky dissident republican grouping tries to set off a nuclear bomb.

If memory serves me correctly there is a part of that cartoon that has camels and a desert in it. That must be the Malone road.

It's a nice idea but unfortunately I can't see it ever happening. In a parallel universe, maybe. Sadly, the way things are today you've a better chance of getting the cat to sit still whilst giving it a bath.

Banjo String

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is what I think the IRA has become.

They don't exist anymore.

michael999999

Saab Ed wrote: »

Fuel smuggling, extortion, vigilantism, property development, money laundering, robberies and so on. I'm sure they'd love a few of the old days back to legitimize themselves again.

Have they joined fianna fail?

Saab Ed

Banjo String wrote: »

Glorifies them.



Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.


However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

I find all of the above truly terrifying to be honest.

Banjo String

Saab Ed wrote: »

I find all of the above truly terrifying to be honest.

That's good to know.

Sir Gallagher

Saab Ed wrote: »

I find all of the above truly terrifying to be honest.

No you don't.

Saab Ed

Banjo String wrote: »

That's good to know.

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

Cee-Jay-Cee

There is no such thing as the IRA anymore. There is no collective group calling themselves that, what there is though is a bunch of ill educated brainless scumbag criminals many of whom weren't alive during the 'troubles' and probably don't know the first thing about republicanism but loosely use the IRA banner as a backdrop to their criimes.

Sir Gallagher

Saab Ed wrote: »

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

Have you ever been up North in your life?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Banjo String wrote: »

Glorifies them.



Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.

That haven't 'for the most part' descended into criminality, that's an extremely broad statement.

I wouldn't deny that some ; members have indeed defected to various splinter groups, and dappled with organised crime, it's well known at this stage.

However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

Indeed many of them were instrumental to the peace process, and played a vital role in the peace enjoyed in the north today.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

You speak of the guys who left when they realised that the fight would be better fought through words once everybody was on equal footing in NI. Those who have stayed are different.

Banjo String

Saab Ed wrote: »

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

You think no members of the security forces from either spectrum of the U.K. sit in local govt/councils?

Oh, wait. But they were the 'good guys' right?

Wake up, would you ffs.

Saab Ed wrote: »

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

Eh?

Saab Ed

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Have you ever been up North in your life?

Why would you ask that! More's the point, what difference would it make? You've already told me what all these ex terrorists are now doing i.e.helping to run the place.

Sunnyisland

They haven't gone away you know.....

Banjo String

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You speak of the guys who left when they realised that the fight would be better fought through words once everybody was on equal footing in NI.

Of course I do.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Those who have stayed are different.

Stayed where

The IRA have been disbanded. They don't exist anymore.

Saab Ed

Banjo String wrote: »

You think no members of the security forces from either spectrum of the U.K. sit in local govt/councils?

Oh, wait. But they were the 'good guys' right?

Wake up, would you ffs.

When did I say that? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I await the usual nationalist/republican/fuel manufacturer tactic of having my opinion venomously ridiculed and put down sharpish.

Sir Gallagher

Saab Ed wrote: »

Why would you ask that! More's the point, what difference would it make? You've already told me what all these ex terrorists are now doing i.e.helping to run the place.

Because i see that same silly attitude on here all the time, "fck the north", "let it float away", "nothing to do with us". Trying to sound oh so controversial and cool for school. Making it out like it's some kind of warzone when in actual fact it's a just a fairly normal place with normal people who couldnt give two sh1tes about what side anybody's on.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Banjo String wrote: »

Of course I do.



Stayed where

The IRA have been disbanded. They don't exist anymore.

Who comes into Vozzas every week and collects 125euro. They don't exist anymore, just nice guys who use the name and extort honest hard working people.

Saab Ed

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Because i see that same silly attitude on here all the time, "fck the north", "let it float away", "nothing to do with us". Trying to sound oh so controversial and cool for school. Making it out like it's some kind of warzone when in actual fact it's a just a fairly normal place with normal people who couldnt give two sh1tes about what side anybody's on.

Well if its all so normal then I'd fully expect the normal folk to condemn and expel this criminal aspect from society rather than embrace it.

For want its worth, I do feel genuinely sorry for ordinary folk up there (probably like yourself) who never was or didn't want to have any hand or part in all that went on. Its just that, from my perspective anyway, it all did go on and despite the claims of wonderful new dawns from everywhere, reality is its still going on and its the same criminal aspect that's still the problem. Only difference now is they're actually in charge. Sorry , it could nvere be far enough away.

Banjo String

Saab Ed wrote: »

When did I say that?

You displayed a real lack of knowledge on how a lot of Govts around the world work.

The UK councils and local govts all have ex army/police/security forces in them.

Saab Ed wrote: »

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

With idiotic rambling like this:

Originally Posted by Saab Ed
May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

No one nees 'put words in your mouth to make you look like foolish tbh.

Saab Ed wrote: »

I await the usual nationalist/republican/fuel manufacturer tactic of having my opinion venomously ridiculed and put down sharpish.

Opinions are like árseholes Ed. You're entitled to yours too.;)

Sunnyisland

The fact is that there has always been a strain of militant Irish republicanism,and when in some people's minds the present I R A in whatever name ceases there armed fight there are and always have been others to take that fight up,

The IRA ,the official IRA,provisional IRA,CIRA,RIRA, etc etc

Banjo String

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Who comes into Vozzas every week and collects 125euro.

Whats a 'Vozzas' and how am I suipposed to know who goes in to collect 125euro?

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They don't exist anymore, just nice guys who use the name and extort honest hard working people.

I got an email from a Nigerian Prince before, offering me millions.

He seemed like a noice guy too. Prob just using the name of a bonafide African Prince though.

Your argument collapsed when you said 'use the name'.

Saab Ed

Banjo String wrote: »

You displayed a real lack of knowledge on how a lot of Govts around the world work.

The UK councils and local govts all have ex army/police/security forces in them.


With idiotic rambling like this:


No one nees 'put words in your mouth to make you look like foolish tbh.




Opinions are like árseholes Ed. You're entitled to yours too.;)

Selective quoting. Why didn't you just cut some of my sentences in half to help support your argument even more.

Nice to see the insults coming through though. Might as well get those republican tactics out in the open good and early I suppose.

cournioni

Did anybody else look at the thread title and think it was some sort of Provo newspaper?

Sir Gallagher

Saab Ed wrote: »

Well if its all so normal then I'd fully expect the normal folk to condemn and expel this criminal aspect from society rather than embrace it.

For want its worth, I do feel genuinely sorry for ordinary folk up there (probably like yourself) who never was or didn't want to have any hand or part in all that went on. Its just that, from my perspective anyway, it all did go on and despite the claims of wonderful new dawns from everywhere, reality is its still going on and its the same criminal aspect that's still the problem. Only difference now is they're actually in charge. Sorry , it could nvere be far enough away.

Gerry Adams is a TD down here and there a lunatics who claim IRA membership all over the country and guess what...when i walk outside my front door it's not like a scene from Escape from New York.

mfceiling

Saab Ed wrote: »

Murderers, bombmakers, kidnappers involved in local community activities, policing boards and future planning! Jesus ,Mary and The Carpenter, you think that's OK!

May the wall he the biggest ever built in history and may the cavernous ridge caused by a Teutonic plate shift be so enormous that it leaves me unable to see Norn Iron even with the aid of the largest most powerful telescope ever made.

You do realise that large IRA pockets existed in limerick, dundalk, cork etc...

The provisional movement wasn't exclusively a 6 county organisation.

BillyMitchel

Banjo String wrote: »

Glorifies them.



Criticizes them with stereotypical assumptions.

That haven't 'for the most part' descended into criminality, that's an extremely broad statement.

I wouldn't deny that some ; members have indeed defected to various splinter groups, and dappled with organised crime, it's well known at this stage.

However the vast majority of ex IRA (provisional) have integrated back into their respective communities, some sitting on policing boards, some now town councillors, some rising through the political side of things. We know the above to be true, as many of these folk have been time served republicans, with most people aware of their backgrounds etc.

However many, many more, never came to the attention of the police or the courts and retained their anonymity.

These folk, some genuinely retired from all aspects of the political process, some are working in the background, strategists, political tactics, community workers etc.

Indeed many of them were instrumental to the peace process, and played a vital role in the peace enjoyed in the north today.

The IRA remain one of the most successful, highly organised,v and effective guerrilla army, ever to have existed in the modern day western world.

That's a fact that shouldn't be quickly forgotten.

You'll get murdered on here (not literally!) for saying that! True though, well said.

Saab Ed

mfceiling wrote: »

You do realise that large IRA pockets existed in limerick, dundalk, cork etc...

The provisional movement wasn't exclusively a 6 county organisation.

Sadly yes.

Banjo String

Saab Ed wrote: »

Selective quoting. Why didn't you just cut some of my sentences in half to help support your argument even more.

Nice to see the insults coming through though. Might as well get those republican tactics out in the open good and early I suppose.

There's your quote in full.

Happier now?

Saab Ed wrote: »

When did I say that? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I await the usual nationalist/republican/fuel manufacturer tactic of having my opinion venomously ridiculed and put down sharpish.

.jacksparrow.

CJC999 wrote: »

There is no such thing as the IRA anymore. There is no collective group calling themselves that, what there is though is a bunch of ill educated brainless scumbag criminals many if whom weren't alive during the 'troubles' and probably don't know the first thing about republicanism but loosely use the IRA banner as a backdrop to their criimes.

You do realise the Ira didn't only exist during the troubles and have been around for 100s of years.

The provos were born from splitting with a group it shared different views from, that group said the Ira didn't exist anymore but Martin and Gerry had different views.

Just because they said they don't exist doesn't make it official.

Howard Juneau

This will give you a chuckle
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/al-qaeda-rocket-blows-lid-on-ira-cigarette-cargo-29596545.html

.jacksparrow.

Howard Juneau wrote: »

This will give you a chuckle
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/al-qaeda-rocket-blows-lid-on-ira-cigarette-cargo-29596545.html

This is the type of propaganda the media is feeding people and they believe it.

The most affective weapon the Irish and British governments have used against the ira is the media.

timthumbni

Howard Juneau wrote: »

This will give you a chuckle
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/al-qaeda-rocket-blows-lid-on-ira-cigarette-cargo-29596545.html

There goes Gerry's pension fund.

Howard Juneau

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

This is the type of propaganda the media is feeding people and they believe it.

The most affective weapon the Irish and British governments have used against the ira is the media.

It doesn't work on me though, I'm wearing my tinfoil hat

DEFTLEFTHAND

Who runs the rackets in Limerick at the moment. Dundons at a low ebb and Keane Collopys not considered real players. Republican groups in the city are like court jesters.

There must be still money down there with the two colleges. Who oversees the city and takes their considerable cut from it eh?

mfceiling

timthumbni wrote: »

There goes Gerry's pension fund.

You could say....... "it's gone up in smoke"

*gets coat, leaves to rapturous applause*

Saab Ed

Banjo String wrote: »

There's your quote in full.

Happier now?

What!

Next ......

MonstaMash

Saab Ed wrote: »

You've already told me what all these ex terrorists are now doing i.e.helping to run the place.

The Irish Republic as a nation was formed & governed by, as far as the former occupying colonists were concerned...ex-terrorists :rolleyes:

Banjo String

Saab Ed wrote: »

Why would you ask that! More's the point, what difference would it make? You've already told me what all these ex terrorists are now doing i.e.helping to run the place.

Lol at your naivety tbh.

If you're not aware of who the two large parties on this island evolved from. (And have been governing) since the founding of the state.

You should bow out now.