Not caring about the Africans dieing in Italy...

Nodin · 04-10-2013 08:58PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

General comment here, on local radio, 96FM several asylum seekers were interviewed in the morning programme, all said they paid between three thousand and five thousand Euro to get into Ireland, that's €3,000 to €5,000 Wattle's question to me is a very valid one indeed, where do they get this type of money?

Think on.

O I don't know....Maybe they have "loans" and a monetary economy in Africa?

Gee Bag · 04-10-2013 08:58PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

General comment here, on local radio, 96FM several asylum seekers were interviewed in the morning programme, all said they paid between three thousand and five thousand Euro to get into Ireland, that's €3,000 to €5,000 Wattle's question to me is a very valid one indeed, where do they get this type of money?

Think on.

Ireland is somewhat further away from the North African coast than Lampeduza.

04-10-2013 08:58PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

General comment here, on local radio, 96FM several asylum seekers were interviewed in the morning programme, all said they paid between three thousand and five thousand Euro to get into Ireland, that's €3,000 to €5,000 Wattle's question to me is a very valid one indeed, where do they get this type of money?

Think on.

Especially if you remember that the average unskilled wage is in the order of €2 a day, my guess is that their relations who are already here are saving to "send the next one over"

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 08:59PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

...and your evidence for this sweeping statement is?

In the media, published, in TV, RTE, BBC

04-10-2013 09:00PM

There's a difference between weeping for a stranger's death and caring that they died. If anyone who's posted genuinely doesnt care a boat load of people drowned to death then they have a legitimate intellectual deficiency.

Dyr · 04-10-2013 09:00PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

General comment here, on local radio, 96FM several asylum seekers were interviewed in the morning programme, all said they paid between three thousand and five thousand Euro to get into Ireland, that's €3,000 to €5,000 Wattle's question to me is a very valid one indeed, where do they get this type of money?

Think on.

You'll find when things go to **** in a kettle in a country its usually the wealthy who manage to bail out.

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:02PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Ireland is somewhat further away from the North African coast than Lampeduza.

We are dealing with criminal activity, not Ryan Air. And NO aspirations on Ryan Air where on can look up their charges.

Nodin · 04-10-2013 09:02PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

In the media, published, in TV, RTE, BBC

Red Nissan wrote:

They are approached and sold the notion of leaving and they do pay heavily in CASH ~ the irony is as I posted, they often COULD lead very good lives for what they pay these smugglers.

Could you show us the evidence from RTE and BBC that they could lead "very good lives" in Eritrea and Somalia for that money?

Wattle · 04-10-2013 09:02PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

May I humbly suggest one reads more. These people are 'people trafficked' they are not a collection of 'refugees' running away from certain death in a blitzkrieg situation or Dunkirk evacuation.

They are approached and sold the notion of leaving and they do pay heavily in CASH ~ the irony is as I posted, they often COULD lead very good lives for what they pay these smugglers.

Most of these migrants are from Somalia and Eritrea. Two of the poorest countries in the world. Average daily earnings? Less than $2 a day. I think you're the one who needs to read a bit more.

Gee Bag · 04-10-2013 09:03PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

In the media, published, in TV, RTE, BBC

I have yet to see a news report that states categorically that every single economic migrant im the world without a visa has to pony up five grand to be smuggled.

Cody Pomeray · 04-10-2013 09:04PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

General comment here, on local radio, 96FM several asylum seekers were interviewed in the morning programme, all said they paid between three thousand and five thousand Euro to get into Ireland, that's €3,000 to €5,000 Wattle's question to me is a very valid one indeed, where do they get this type of money?

Think on.

Well I presume they were the better off applicants who didn't have to put their lives in mortal danger on the high sea. A millionaire can be a refugee. Refugee status is not synonymous with impoverishment by definition, although few people anywhere would have the means to support themselves for a long time, and refugees are no different.

Go to a judicial review of an RAC or Minister's decision on an asylum/ immigration matter. Often, you will come across well educated people like doctors, lawyers, and business people who would have been quite financially well off in their home country. I'm not sure why people automatically associate refugees and asylum seekers with poverty by default.

Nevertheless, the most deserving asylum seekers may well be the ones who never make it out of their peril, or maybe the ones who risk everything and pile into to shoddily constructed fishing boats with their children.

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:05PM

Wattle wrote: »

I think you're the one who needs to read a bit more.

Somalia? So why is Somalia amongst the poorest nations in the world?

Nodin · 04-10-2013 09:06PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Somalia? So why is Somalia amongst the poorest nations in the world?

You might tell us firstly how its possible to live "very good lives" there and in Eritrea......

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:08PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Well I presume they were the better off applicants who didn't have to put their lives in mortal danger on the high sea..

Now, I can't verify if they are rich, but they said they were smuggled in similar overloaded boats.

Tails142 · 04-10-2013 09:09PM

I was more worried about the killer hornets in China having killed 50... I guess it's more upsetting when it's a scenario you could see yourself in

Wattle · 04-10-2013 09:11PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Somalia? So why is Somalia amongst the poorest nations in the world?

Cos all those migrants with a few thousand euro are leaving.

Gee Bag · 04-10-2013 09:11PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Somalia? So why is Somalia amongst the poorest nations in the world?

Famine
Lack of natural resources
War with Ethiopia in the 70s & 80s
Climate change
Colonial legacy
Being bombed by the yanks in the last five years and proxy wars with Ethiopia and Kenya
Access to water
etc., etc

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:15PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Famine
Lack of natural resources
War with Ethiopia in the 70s & 80s
Climate change
Colonial legacy
Being bombed by the yanks in the last five years and proxy wars with Ethiopia and Kenya
Access to water
etc., etc

Shooting fellow citizens on the docks as they tried to eat Bob Geldof's grain that he sent from Band Aid. Letting it rot and then burning and sinking it.

Doc Ruby · 04-10-2013 09:15PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Oh sorry. I should have explained. Unlike you, it seems, I don't base my opinions on some hunch that enters my head at random.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982210004306

Good for you, and well done on the further condescension, it's considerably more amusing given the source. However here's something that shines a light on the vast unending field of ignorance.

Horrid Henry · 04-10-2013 09:17PM

This is shocking stuff.

There was wall to wall coverage of the Costa Concordia but this tragedy where far more people died gets minimal coverage.

Sad.

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:19PM

Horrid Henry wrote: »

This is shocking stuff. There was wall to wall coverage of the Costa Concordia but this tragedy where far more people died gets minimal coverage. Sad.

Great first post.

Nodin · 04-10-2013 09:21PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Great first post.

You still haven't enlightened us as to how its possible to live "very good lives" in Somalia and Eritrea? Any reason for this? Are you afraid there'll be a mass exodus there if you leak the information?

valknut · 04-10-2013 09:24PM

Horrid Henry wrote: »

This is shocking stuff.

There was wall to wall coverage of the Costa Concordia but this tragedy where far more people died gets minimal coverage.

Sad.

And I wonder did the Costa Concortia get much coverage in Somalia as a ship with Somalis is bound to be of more interest to Somalians.

People are more interested in news more relevant to them simple as. The Costa was a European ship that sank in Europe with an Irish couple on board. It was bound to get more coverage here.

Both storys are sad though.

Gee Bag · 04-10-2013 09:24PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Shooting fellow citizens on the docks as they tried to eat Bob Geldof's grain that he sent from Band Aid. Letting it rot and then burning and sinking it.

Never heard of this, but I'm sure you have a source.

If this incident was the sole reason for Somalias economic hardship it begs the question why was food aid being delivered in the first place?

As an aside, Have you ever heard of the theory that when you find yourself in a hole its best to stop digging?

Femme_Fatale · 04-10-2013 09:24PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Rubbish. TBH, it's a measure of how gullible they are, these boat rides cost thousands of Euro, think about how much a few cent can save a child's life, give them eyesight, clean water, school buildings, farm animals and so on and so forth.

These same migrants could save an entire continent, all on their own, for the cost of a boat trip.

So... how do they conjure up the "eyesight", clean water, school buildings and so on?

Red Nissan wrote: »

on local radio, 96FM several asylum seekers were interviewed in the morning programme, all said they paid between three thousand and five thousand Euro to get into Ireland

That bastion of levelheadedness the Neil Prendeville Show.

Cody Pomeray · 04-10-2013 09:27PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Now, I can't verify if they are rich, but they said they were smuggled in similar overloaded boats.

Even if that were true your question is moot.

An asylum application is not decided by a means test. Quite the opposite, the direct provision and dispersal scheme in Ireland is administered without regard to the individual needs of asylum seekers and their dependents.

So what's the point of wondering where these asylum seekers got €3k? They're perfectly entitled to be middle class in their home country without that simple fact undermining their asylum application, or the veracity of their claims.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Good for you, and well done on the further condescension, it's considerably more amusing given the source. However here's something that shines a light on the vast unending field of ignorance.

The source is "Current Biology". I don't see what's so funny about that.

Further, I've been discussing empathy in the context of the Mediterranean tragedy, I have no idea what your tangent about sexual attraction is aiming to do.

Sexual attraction is not synonymous with empathy, to state the blindingly obvious.

Nodin · 04-10-2013 09:27PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Shooting fellow citizens on the docks as they tried to eat Bob Geldof's grain that he sent from Band Aid. Letting it rot and then burning and sinking it.

....fairly sure that "Bob Geldof's grain" was sent to Ethiopia.....

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:31PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Never heard of this, but I'm sure you have a source.

AGH! COME OFF IT. It was plastered all over the TV. You're obviously TOO young, there was a lot of controversy at the time too about the TV showing people being shot and killed on live TV.

Come back to me in twenty years.

Red Nissan · 04-10-2013 09:34PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Even if that were true your question is moot. .

What question?
What moot?

I'm not asking any questions.

Oh I am, where do they get the thousands of Euro?

Still what moot. ? That's a question.

Nodin · 04-10-2013 09:35PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

............ It was plastered all over the TV. You're obviously TOO young, there was a lot of controversy at the time too about the TV showing people being shot and killed on live TV.

Come back to me in twenty years.

Why? Will he have gone back in time by then?

I'm 44 and I don't recall it. In addition, Band Aid was for Ethiopia.

You still haven't enlightened us as to how its possible to live "very good lives" in Somalia and Eritrea? Whats wrong? Why can't you explain yourself.

Not caring about the Africans dieing in Italy...

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