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Is there a differance between the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA?

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  • #362
    joe swanson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    tdv123 wrote: »
    What question?

    If the ira protected people ffrom sectarianism, justify kingsmill?


  • #363
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    tdv123 wrote: »
    I'm not trying to justify any killings, but I did explain why she was killed.

    Honestly I can understand fleggers much more easily than I can Free State militant anti-Republicans. I put their rabidness down to hatred of PSF's social democratic politics or a guilty conscience over the north- its probably a mixture of the two.


  • #364
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    joe swanson wrote: »
    If the ira protected people ffrom sectarianism, justify kingsmill?

    He probably wasnt born than- asking him to justify it is like me asking you to justify the "famine".


  • #365
    joe swanson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    He probably wasnt born than- asking him to justify it is like me asking you to justify the "famine".

    Fail


  • #366
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    No we dont- I trust Brendan Hughes' account.

    Nobody else does.
    She was murdered, body hidden, her good name destroyed & still they lie


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  • #367
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Just to be clear I abhorred all violence. A passive resistance or civil rights approach would have been much more preferable. But that was just not possible, those routes were blocked of at that moment in time, unfortunately violence was inevitable. And who ever gets involved on either side knows the risk their taking Ruc, Brit,Loyalist or Provo - all of them know death is very possible & none of them were forced to enter the conflict.


  • #368
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Fail

    Hardly- you support British Imperialism therefore you justify anything and everything they have done. That is your logic.


  • #369
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    tdv123 wrote: »
    She was an informer, she was giving information to the tyrant. And don't call it a lie, her family were Republicans it would make no sense to kill her if she was a civilian which she clearly was not.

    You still persist with falsehoods, shame on you


  • #370
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    Nobody else does.
    She was murdered, body hidden, her good name destroyed & still they lie

    Do you also believe the story that she was killed for going to the aid of a British soldier that was in the media at the time and afterwards proven a total lie?


  • #371
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    joe swanson wrote: »
    If the ira protected people ffrom sectarianism, justify kingsmill?

    I already addressed that on page24 first post.


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  • #372
    joe swanson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Hardly- you support British Imperialism therefore you justify anything and everything they have done. That is your logic.

    Where have i said that?


  • #373
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Do you also believe the story that she was killed for going to the aid of a British soldier that was in the media at the time and afterwards proven a total lie?

    No, sure didn't she run off with a British soldier & leave her kids behind.


  • #374
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Where have i said that?

    Your whole story of the Provos just being psychopaths murdering for kicks says it.


  • #375
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    Nobody else does.

    I do. You can call Brendan Hughes what ever you want one thing the man wasn't was a liar. Probably the most honest from the conflict I've heard speak.


  • #376
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    tdv123 wrote: »
    I do. You can call Brendan Hughes what ever you want one thing the man wasn't was a liar. Probably the most honest from the conflict I've heard speak.

    He was a liar, McConville was tortured & murdered on the whim of evildoers


  • #377
    joe swanson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Your whole story of the Provos just being psychopaths murdering for kicks says it.

    I consider myself a constitutional republican. Just because someone dcoes not agree with cold blooed murder of innocents does not make one pro british. Anyway im out. Bed


  • #378
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    He was a liar, McConville was tortured & murdered on the whim of evildoers

    But when he says Gerry Adams was involved do you think he was telling the truth?

    Why would lie about this in particular and not other things which showed him in a bad light?


  • #379
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    You still persist with falsehoods, shame on you

    Nothing false about it mate, that's what all the evidence would suggest, your the one coming out with the more radical alternative to the most probable answer which is she was just your average informer. Your just blinded by your hatred for Republicanism.


  • #380
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    He was a liar, McConville was tortured & murdered on the whim of evildoers

    Again with the drama. She wasn't tortured she was shot once in the head, end of.


  • #381
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    But when he says Gerry Adams was involved do you think he was telling the truth?

    Why would lie about this in particular and not other things which showed him in a bad light?

    The story was that Adams gave the order to kill her. I don't believe it.
    Hughes was an evil psychopath who was looking to go out with a bang.
    Pity he didn't make these claims to the press while he was still alive & could be questioned on his Bs


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  • #382
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    No, sure didn't she run off with a British soldier & leave her kids behind.

    No, that's just a lie.


  • #383
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    tdv123 wrote: »
    Again with the drama. She wasn't tortured she was shot once in the head, end of.

    She was tortured, that is undeniable.


  • #384
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    tdv123 wrote: »
    No, that's just a lie.

    One of many that was spread by her killers


  • #385
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    The story was that Adams gave the order to kill her. I don't believe it.
    Hughes was an evil psychopath who was looking to go out with a bang.
    Pity he didn't make these claims to the press while he was still alive & could be questioned on his Bs

    He wasnt though, very easy to judge from your safety in the south.





  • #386
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    The story was that Adams gave the order to kill her. I don't believe it.
    Hughes was an evil psychopath who was looking to go out with a bang.
    Pity he didn't make these claims to the press while he was still alive & could be questioned on his Bs

    Attacking a dead persons personality traits, nice. He was not an evil psychopath that's just your radical imagination again. And he gave plenty of interviews for media after the 1994 ceasefire he where explains quit a number of things about unclear events.


  • #387
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    tdv123 wrote: »
    Nothing false about it mate, that's what all the evidence would suggest, your the one coming out with the more radical alternative to the most probable answer which is she was just your average informer. Your just blinded by your hatred for Republicanism.

    It's a complete & utter lie.
    Not even any room for doubt. She was taken out, tortured & executed.
    All the rubbish you spout just shows how blind you are to the truth


  • #388
    Howard Juneau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    Nite all, will let you defame a murdered woman to your hearts content


  • #389
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    One of many that was spread by her killers

    So your admitting you told a lie & that you were one of her killers. Maybe you should hand yourself into a police station.


  • #390
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    Nite all, will let you defame a murdered woman to your hearts content

    How is it defaming? Saying someone was actively on the pro-Union is not defaming them necessarily.

    Or do you think it is? Were all BA soldiers and RUC men evil in your eyes?


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  • #391
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    It's a complete & utter lie.
    Not even any room for doubt. She was taken out, tortured & executed.
    All the rubbish you spout just shows how blind you are to the truth

    Your just looking for things that never happened to happen. I'm trying to balance out the lie that the provos were just murdering psychos. If they were just murdering nutcases with no political aspirations why bother giving out warnings berfore setting off a bomb, surely if you were a murdering psycho you'd want to kill as many possible?

    To be honest mate your view is a very outdated stale freestater one that does not hold up to the evidence that is on the table.


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