The "Epic" lowering your handicap "mega" thread

m r c · 02-10-2013 1:38pm #1

There has been enough talk about high handicaps on this forum so this thread is for people to discuss ways, tips and ideas as to cut out mistakes at all levels of h/c.

I'll start, I'm off 24.1 ATM just lost .4 the last time I played, my strategy was as follows.
I put priority on hitting the fairway off the tee, and if I missed I wanted my miss to be as near as possible. I managed to hit 9 fairways and finished with the ball I started with.
My current thinking about missed greens is to go for the fat part of the green regardless of pin position to again attempt to take the big numbers off the card and this puts more pressure on the putter which is where it should be. Any time I manage this plan it gives me a putt at par which is never a bad thing. I've noticed that I've had a lot more of them now than before.

It'd be great if any views to the contrary were put forward in a positive manner I'm fed up with bickering and they could be really useful to all if helpful

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 1:43pm

m r c wrote: »

There has been enough talk about high handicaps on this forum so this thread is for people to discuss ways, tips and ideas as to cut out mistakes at all levels of h/c.

I'll start, I'm off 24.1 ATM just lost .4 the last time I played, my strategy was as follows.
I put priority on hitting the fairway off the tee, and if I missed I wanted my miss to be as near as possible. I managed to hit 9 fairways and finished with the ball I started with.
My current thinking about missed greens is to go for the fat part of the green regardless of pin position to again attempt to take the big numbers off the card and this puts more pressure on the putter which is where it should be. Any time I manage this plan it gives me a putt at par which is never a bad thing. I've noticed that I've had a lot more of them now than before.

It'd be great if any views to the contrary were put forward in a positive manner I'm fed up with bickering and they could be really useful to all if helpful

Would you consider not going for the green at all (in regulation) on at least the holes where you have 2 shots?

/edit
One thing to note is that if you do change your strategy, you have to allow several (maybe 10 or more) rounds before you can determine if its having a positive or negative effect on your scores.

m r c · 02-10-2013 1:48pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Would you consider not going for the green at all (in regulation) on at least the holes where you have 2 shots?

I would, but it would depend on how I was feeling on the day.
Also if I'm less than two full gap wedges out as I find I have best results on a full swing. So if I'm inside say 200 the percentage shot could be to go for the front of the green for eg with my most common miss being a bit fat. So unless it's a forced carry wouldn't be a bad miss.

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 1:53pm

m r c wrote: »

I would, but it would depend on how I was feeling on the day.

Then it probably wont work as you will have no idea why its working or not working when you look at the stats.
Develop a plan that has the best chance of you not ending up more than 24 over par and stick to it.
Everytime.

m r c wrote: »

Also if I'm less than two full gap wedges out as I find I have best results on a full swing. So if I'm inside say 200 the percentage shot could be to go for the front of the green for eg with my most common miss being a bit fat. So unless it's a forced carry wouldn't be a bad miss.

if you are 200 yards out when not hit something to a layup distance that you have practiced and are comfortable with rather than risk a bad long iron/wood that can be 80% perfect but still put you somewhere horrible that you cant recover from?
there is a reason you are off 24...you need to find what it is and improve that, the only way to do that is determine a plan to play to 24 and see what shots are causing you to miss this; otherwise you are just "trying stuff" and will be off 24 for a lot longer than you need to be.

m r c · 02-10-2013 1:57pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Then it probably wont work as you will have no idea why its working or not working when you look at the stats.
Develop a plan that has the best chance of you not ending up more than 24 over par and stick to it.
Everytime.

if you are 200 yards out when not hit something to a layup distance that you have practiced and are comfortable with rather than risk a bad long iron/wood that can be 80% perfect but still put you somewhere horrible that you cant recover from?
there is a reason you are off 24...you need to find what it is and improve that, the only way to do that is determine a plan to play to 24 and see what shots are causing you to miss this; otherwise you are just "trying stuff" and will be off 24 for a lot longer than you need to be.

There's a lot of truth there greebo. And as I said I'm trying to work some of that into my game.

PRAF · 02-10-2013 2:06pm

I'm toying with the idea of trying the Hank Haney 100 swings a day method over the winter. Has anyone on here tried it? Very simple idea, you take a club and swing it 100 times every day. Just practice swings, you don't have to hit the range and can do it from home.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2013-05/hank-haney-practice-swings

However, the best way to lower your handicap is to work on short game and putting

slave1 · 02-10-2013 2:13pm

Hybrids - get those wayward drives back into play
Lay-ups - don't risk it
Course Management - everywhere

m r c · 02-10-2013 2:14pm

Hadn't heard of that before looks like it could have merit.

Dbu · 02-10-2013 2:16pm

m r c wrote: »

I would, but it would depend on how I was feeling on the day.
Also if I'm less than two full gap wedges out as I find I have best results on a full swing. So if I'm inside say 200 the percentage shot could be to go for the front of the green for eg with my most common miss being a bit fat. So unless it's a forced carry wouldn't be a bad miss.

hi mrc,
i mean this in the nicest possible way, you shouldn't be mentioning gap wedges with a handicap of 24.
i was there before and just found as you rightly described keep the ball in play. i also found out that i dropped 11 shots over 2 years by mastering short chips in and around the green and my putting (mastering the pace of the greens and not over complicating the line) you will be surprised how many will drop if you have the pace right and aim at the hole...just my tuppence

m r c · 02-10-2013 2:30pm

Dbu wrote: »

hi mrc,
i mean this in the nicest possible way, you shouldn't be mentioning gap wedges with a handicap of 24.
i was there before and just found as you rightly described keep the ball in play. i also found out that i dropped 11 shots over 2 years by mastering short chips in and around the green and my putting (mastering the pace of the greens and not over complicating the line) you will be surprised how many will drop if you have the pace right and aim at the hole...just my tuppence

Thanks and it is taken the right way too, I think for me getting lower will hover around fir's because one thing that jumps out at me is when I look at my stats is that I tend to play the par 3's between par and plus 2 gross. Which is unusual for a 24 man. I think its because the driver is under the cover on the par 3's.

Dealerz · 02-10-2013 2:32pm

Man I need this thread!

Stuck on hc 17-19 for two years and have had spurts of good play but just can't find consistency to shoot my handicap and lower on a regular basis-

Spent money on clubs and lessons and, clubs feel great- lessons were frustrating and tbh I'm not sure I believed in what I was been asked to do.

Here's a quick overview of my last 2 yrs results

2012 : of 25 qualifying comps I had 11 0.1's and 1.8 of a cut with an annual review cut of 1.0.

2013: of 15 qualifying comps ( new baby this year- I realise I'm lucky to be out considering the other child is 3yo) I had 9 0.1's and 6 buffer zones.
Avg putts per round would be 33

My strategy on the golf course would be conservative.
A common playing thought I would have is to keep scratches off the card but these days I would normally have about 2 and then the one pointers keep the card "respectable"!!
Any help/thoughts?

alxmorgan · 02-10-2013 2:40pm

Dbu wrote: »

hi mrc,
i mean this in the nicest possible way, you shouldn't be mentioning gap wedges with a handicap of 24.

I'm intrigued...why not ?

alxmorgan · 02-10-2013 2:41pm

Dealerz wrote: »

Man I need this thread!

Stuck on hc 17-19 for two years and have had spurts of good play but just can't find consistency to shoot my handicap and lower on a regular basis-

Spent money on clubs and lessons and, clubs feel great- lessons were frustrating and tbh I'm not sure I believed in what I was been asked to do.

Here's a quick overview of my last 2 yrs results

2012 : of 25 qualifying comps I had 11 0.1's and 1.8 of a cut with an annual review cut of 1.0.

2013: of 15 qualifying comps ( new baby this year- I realise I'm lucky to be out considering the other child is 3yo) I had 9 0.1's and 6 buffer zones.
Avg putts per round would be 33

My strategy on the golf course would be conservative.
A common playing thought I would have is to keep scratches off the card but these days I would normally have about 2 and then the one pointers keep the card "respectable"!!
Any help/thoughts?

Could you give us more details on this ?

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 2:42pm

alxmorgan wrote: »

I'm intrigued...why not ?

because you are not off 24 due to the gap between your SW/LW and your PW?

alxmorgan · 02-10-2013 2:45pm

GreeBo wrote: »

because you are not off 24 due to the gap between your SW/LW and your PW?

I realise that but pitching could be his strong point and he may have a 3/4 swing with SW, GW and PW to give him 3 distances no ?

Or am I being optimistic

PARlance · 02-10-2013 2:49pm

Maybe it would be better to give some more detail on history m r c?
How long you've been playing, lessons, strenghts/weaknesses etc.

For me, I'm playing golf 3 years now. Had never played before.
Year 1 2011: Casual: About 15 or so rounds with one lesson and a bit of range work. (HC 22-24 est)
Year 2 2012: Casual: About 20-25 rounds with a lot more range work, a series of 3 lessons during the winter and working loads in between the lessons: (HC 20-22 est)
Year 3 2013: Joined a club in April, was given initial HC of 17, drifted to 18.1 but am back to 17.2 now. Play most weekends (be it home or away) and a spell of 9 hole midweek rounds during the summer. Little or no range work this year due to becoming a parent.

The only thing that is constant over the 3 years is that I've been a golf nut from the start and still am hooked on it.

What has worked for me over the 3 years!

I could get real specific into my game but it won't be of use to others.
But a high level view is that it took the first year and a half before I swung enough clubs to even begin to become familiar with my swing.
(Maybe linked to PRAF's post)

I maintain that a high HC'er won't see much improvement until they are able to "feel" what their doing wrong with their swing.
I think it's the biggest hurdle to jump.
Lessons tend to focus on working on doing the right thing, I think Pro's should start out by making sure you can feel what your problem swing feels like.
This happened in Aug/Sept 2012 for me, it wasn't at a lesson, it was after seeing one track-man video where everything just hit home.
My bad shot was a slice, a crippling slice, after the video and some work, only then did I figure out my problem.
It was a real light bulb moment, I was amazed that I hadn't figured it out sooner, but I think it just takes time.... I've been progressing steadily since then I'd say.

Even now, I'll "practice" the odd slice swing on the tee... just to get the feeling of what not to do.
I've seen a lot of Pro's doing something similar, think it's Jimenez that takes 3 practice swings: One that's too fast, then one that's too slow, then his ideal swing.

Anyway, figuring out my problem was a great foundation to build on.
I went for 3 lessons over three months Oct-Dec and worked like a dog in between them, working with the pro, trusting him and taking his advice completely on board.
Range sessions went from a basket of 100 over an hour, to a basket of 40...but still over an hour. I told the Pro my plan in advance and we had a 3 month time frame in mind to get as much out of it as possible.
Too many people go for the quick fix with a Pro, a low HC might be able go for a quick fix I think (or quicker fix) as they should be better able to adjust, but for us, we need to grind it out big time.

To stop myself from rambling on (even more) and to summarise what I feel that needs to be done is by a high HC to get down are:

*Figure out your problems
*Don't avoid them, work on them, try to get all areas of your game up to a certain level
*Join a club, competitive golf is a completely different ball game
*Figure out the mental side of the game (Course management but also your frame of mind) whilst continuing to work on all other areas. Mental game is key, an area that I'm still trying to get my "head" around at present.

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 2:50pm

alxmorgan wrote: »

I realise that but pitching could be his strong point and he may have a 3/4 swing with SW, GW and PW to give him 3 distances no ?

Or am I being optimistic

If its his strong point then why work on improving it though?

clearly there is a problem somewhere, if its technique then that needs lessons if its course management that just needs thinking about.

Easiest way to check course management is count the number of "penalty" shots you end up taking. so OB, in water, chipping out sideways, not being able to play/aim where you want etc and then figure out whats causing you to end up in that position.

I dont care if you hit a driver or a 5 iron, if more often than not its leaving you in trouble then its the wrong club, for you.

5th hole in my course is a short dog leg par 4 that I cut the corner on every time, I can hit it far enough to avoid all the trouble 90% of the time, playing less club brings in more trouble. But if I havent thought about it and analyzed it Im just guessing and probably working on improving the wrong thing.

Dbu · 02-10-2013 2:52pm

alxmorgan wrote: »

I'm intrigued...why not ?

Hiya,
because you wont drop your handicap from 100-200 yards out, you will drop your handicap in and around the green (short chips from the edge of green and putting. when i was off 24 i had a PW that i played all the time from 100 yrds and in, and a SW that was exclusively used from sand(got plenty of practice:D)
I have recently bought a 50 and a 56 degree mizuno wedges now that my handicap is down and Im playing sufficiently well to be able to hit full shots with either.
off 24 I just concentrated on getting the ball near (or hopefully on the green) and didnt worry which 'gap' wedge would get me spinning the ball back to the hole:D.

In other words, editing my waffle...keep it simple

alxmorgan · 02-10-2013 3:00pm

Dbu wrote: »

Hiya,
because you wont drop your handicap from 100-200 yards out, you will drop your handicap in and around the green (short chips from the edge of green and putting. when i was off 24 i had a PW that i played all the time from 100 yrds and in, and a SW that was exclusively used from sand(got plenty of practice:D)
I have recently bought a 50 and a 56 degree mizuno wedges now that my handicap is down and Im playing sufficiently well to be able to hit full shots with either.
off 24 I just concentrated on getting the ball near (or hopefully on the green) and didnt worry which 'gap' wedge would get me spinning the ball back to the hole:D.

Fair point

Dealerz · 02-10-2013 3:04pm

alxmorgan wrote: »

Could you give us more details on this ?

Pro felt I needed to "stretch wider with my arms and body away from the ball " and to "move off the ball in backswing" in order to create width- it felt really wooden and the results were mixed after 6 months.
However when it did work I went from a fader to a drawer but that was after so much frustrating shots.
Felt as if I was going to fall over to my right side and that my arms were completely disconnected and to get back to the ball needed me to lunge.

PhlegmyMoses · 02-10-2013 3:09pm

My big thing is practicing my short game. This allows me to think about laying up. Only playing a few months and I'm 24 too and just about playing to this already. One good day will see a big cut.

My problem previously was that my short game was so bad that laying up or playing safe guaranteed nothing. The only time I'd score is by going for it. Now, I almost exclusively practice short game and it's improved massively. It allows you to manage the course as you're reasonably confident that you can get up and down if you play safe and don't go for the green every time.

I usually practice anywhere inside 80 yards and then putt from whatever position I land on the green. I don't like taking multiple putts or chips from the same position as that's not how it works on the course - you have to play to your lie. I'd now say that this is the strongest part of my game. Next up: long irons.

alxmorgan · 02-10-2013 3:10pm

Dealerz wrote: »

Pro felt I needed to "stretch wider with my arms and body away from the ball " and to "move off the ball in backswing" in order to create width- it felt really wooden and the results were mixed after 6 months.
However when it did work I went from a fader to a drawer but that was after so much frustrating shots.
Felt as if I was going to fall over to my right side and that my arms were completely disconnected and to get back to the ball needed me to lunge.

I get the width bit but I disagree with the moving off the ball in the backswing. The swing takes about 1 second and its very difficult to shift your weight properly in that time. It can end up causing you to leave your weight right which causes loads of issues - fat, thin, slice etc

I will be working this winter on starting weight left and keeping it there.

But overall if you don't buy into what a pro is telling you then find another one.

m r c · 02-10-2013 3:44pm

Dealerz wrote: »

Man I need this thread!

Stuck on hc 17-19 for two years and have had spurts of good play but just can't find consistency to shoot my handicap and lower on a regular basis-

Spent money on clubs and lessons and, clubs feel great- lessons were frustrating and tbh I'm not sure I believed in what I was been asked to do.

Here's a quick overview of my last 2 yrs results

2012 : of 25 qualifying comps I had 11 0.1's and 1.8 of a cut with an annual review cut of 1.0.

2013: of 15 qualifying comps ( new baby this year- I realise I'm lucky to be out considering the other child is 3yo) I had 9 0.1's and 6 buffer zones.
Avg putts per round would be 33

My strategy on the golf course would be conservative.
A common playing thought I would have is to keep scratches off the card but these days I would normally have about 2 and then the one pointers keep the card "respectable"!!
Any help/thoughts?

I'm in the same situation as you baby wise, wife 3yo+1yo and I do forget but I made it my target to maintain my toe in the water as it were. It's easy to forget that most likely at no other time will it be as hard to keep the golf up time wise.

That's the first thing IMHO pat on the back mate you are still playing.

m r c · 02-10-2013 3:51pm

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Maybe it would be better to give some more detail on history m r c?
How long you've been playing, lessons, strenghts/weaknesses etc.

For me, I'm playing golf 3 years now. Had never played before.
Year 1 2011: Casual: About 15 or so rounds with one lesson and a bit of range work. (HC 22-24 est)
Year 2 2012: Casual: About 20-25 rounds with a lot more range work, a series of 3 lessons during the winter and working loads in between the lessons: (HC 20-22 est)
Year 3 2013: Joined a club in April, was given initial HC of 17, drifted to 18.1 but am back to 17.2 now. Play most weekends (be it home or away) and a spell of 9 hole midweek rounds during the summer. Little or no range work this year due to becoming a parent.

The only thing that is constant over the 3 years is that I've been a golf nut from the start and still am hooked on it.

What has worked for me over the 3 years!

I could get real specific into my game but it won't be of use to others.
But a high level view is that it took the first year and a half before I swung enough clubs to even begin to become familiar with my swing.
(Maybe linked to PRAF's post)

I maintain that a high HC'er won't see much improvement until they are able to "feel" what their doing wrong with their swing.
I think it's the biggest hurdle to jump.
Lessons tend to focus on working on doing the right thing, I think Pro's should start out by making sure you can feel what your problem swing feels like.
This happened in Aug/Sept 2012 for me, it wasn't at a lesson, it was after seeing one track-man video where everything just hit home.
My bad shot was a slice, a crippling slice, after the video and some work, only then did I figure out my problem.
It was a real light bulb moment, I was amazed that I hadn't figured it out sooner, but I think it just takes time.... I've been progressing steadily since then I'd say.

Even now, I'll "practice" the odd slice swing on the tee... just to get the feeling of what not to do.
I've seen a lot of Pro's doing something similar, think it's Jimenez that takes 3 practice swings: One that's too fast, then one that's too slow, then his ideal swing.

Anyway, figuring out my problem was a great foundation to build on.
I went for 3 lessons over three months Oct-Dec and worked like a dog in between them, working with the pro, trusting him and taking his advice completely on board.
Range sessions went from a basket of 100 over an hour, to a basket of 40...but still over an hour. I told the Pro my plan in advance and we had a 3 month time frame in mind to get as much out of it as possible.
Too many people go for the quick fix with a Pro, a low HC might be able go for a quick fix I think (or quicker fix) as they should be better able to adjust, but for us, we need to grind it out big time.

To stop myself from rambling on (even more) and to summarise what I feel that needs to be done is by a high HC to get down are:

*Figure out your problems
*Don't avoid them, work on them, try to get all areas of your game up to a certain level
*Join a club, competitive golf is a completely different ball game
*Figure out the mental side of the game (Course management but also your frame of mind) whilst continuing to work on all other areas. Mental game is key, an area that I'm still trying to get my "head" around at present.

Will do aj am on the phone ATM but when I'm home I will give more detail. Only thing I'd say is I want the thread to be of use to anyone interested in what works for others too/mostly

Dealerz · 02-10-2013 4:04pm

m r c wrote: »

I'm in the same situation as you baby wise, wife 3yo+1yo and I do forget but I made it my target to maintain my toe in the water as it were. It's easy to forget that most likely at no other time will it be as hard to keep the golf up time wise.

That's the first thing IMHO pat on the back mate you are still playing.

You wouldn't believe the amount of chores I've to do to get to that 1st tee on a Saturday morning... But it's worth it!

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 4:11pm

there was a good thread on here a while back on practice drills...always good to have a few drills over the winter!

PARlance · 02-10-2013 4:26pm

m r c wrote: »

Will do aj am on the phone ATM but when I'm home I will give more detail. Only thing I'd say is I want the thread to be of use to anyone interested in what works for others too/mostly

Ah ok, I get you.

Dublin Spur · 02-10-2013 4:53pm

try to be on every

par 3 in 2
par 4 in 3
par 5 in 4

do this regularly and you be down to 18 in no time
Unless your putting is horrific

mafc · 02-10-2013 7:37pm

Dublin Spur wrote: »

try to be on every

par 3 in 2
par 4 in 3
par 5 in 4

do this regularly and you be down to 18 in no time
Unless your putting is horrific

Best piece of advice for a high handicapper & quite easy to achieve

spacecoyote · 02-10-2013 7:47pm

For me getting down from 22-11.5 over about 3.5-4 years, these were the things I found most helpful:

1 - go for lessons & persist with the tough times as it will pay off

2 - this was one of my major action points from 22-17. Always look to give myself a par putt (don't get too focussed on gir). That way a 2 putt gives you a bogey & if the one putt drops you walk off with a few bonus pars

3 - just because you flushed an 8 iron 150 yards once doesn't mean An 8 iron is your 150 yard club. Your 150 yard club is the one that on average travels 150 yards. Don't get caught up in the macho bullsh1t of feeling you have to hit less club, it's about scoring not hitting it further than the other guy.

4 - generally when measuring your approach (from say more than 120 yards) take a look at the distance to the back if the green & select the club that corresponds to that distance. Most often you don't hit a perfect shot, so you should hit more greens. Niklaus reckoned he hit maybe 3 perfect shots in a round, so how many do you think you manage? Eg, green is 130 to front covered by bunkers, middle is 140, back is 150. Take your 150 club. You hit it perfect(unlikely), you're on the back of the green, you hit it a little off, you're in the middle if the green, you hit it a little worse, you probably still clear the bunkers & land in the front. Doing this definitely improved my odds of hitting greens.

5 - work on your short game, a lot!

6 - try forget about the course being 2 sets of 9 holes. That way if you start with 2 bad holes you can just write off the 2 bad holes, rather than start thinking "front 9 is ruined, I'll start playing on the back 9". Think about each hole as a game, or if that's too much, break it unto 6 x 3 hole sets. & don't add up your scores after 9 holes to see how your doing, if you're playing well youll probably change your game & start trying to protect your score

7 - know when to take your medicine.if you're in the trees & have a choice of knocking sidewise easily onto the fairway or taking a 1% chance shot through a 2 foot gap in the trees towards the green, 99% of the time you'll score better on the hole by knocking sidewise

These were all helpful for me coming downwards, and hopefully something there might help someone

J6P · 02-10-2013 8:31pm

Join a Pitch and Putt Club for the winter months.

Guaranteed lower h/c next year.

Redzah · 02-10-2013 8:38pm

m r c wrote: »

There has been enough talk about high handicaps on this forum so this thread is for people to discuss ways, tips and ideas as to cut out mistakes at all levels of h/c.

I'll start, I'm off 24.1 ATM just lost .4 the last time I played, my strategy was as follows.
I put priority on hitting the fairway off the tee, and if I missed I wanted my miss to be as near as possible. I managed to hit 9 fairways and finished with the ball I started with.
My current thinking about missed greens is to go for the fat part of the green regardless of pin position to again attempt to take the big numbers off the card and this puts more pressure on the putter which is where it should be. Any time I manage this plan it gives me a putt at par which is never a bad thing. I've noticed that I've had a lot more of them now than before.

It'd be great if any views to the contrary were put forward in a positive manner I'm fed up with bickering and they could be really useful to all if helpful

Work on the attitude, eliminate the aggression and think a bit more

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 8:39pm

Redzah wrote: »

Work on the attitude, eliminate the aggression and think a bit more

Not needed thanks.

m r c · 02-10-2013 9:20pm

Space coyote

None of what you said is bad advice but this is golden

2 - this was one of my major action points from 22-17. Always look to give myself a par putt (don't get too focussed on gir). That way a 2 putt gives you a bogey & if the one putt drops you walk off with a few bonus pars

I call this not being afraid of "putting pressure" on your putter. Too often I've being guilty of making gir and 3 putting and saying at least it's bogey, I'm going to be working hard on this kind of thinking re par putts

m r c · 02-10-2013 9:22pm

Dublin Spur wrote: »

try to be on every

par 3 in 2
par 4 in 3
par 5 in 4

do this regularly and you be down to 18 in no time
Unless your putting is horrific

I get the par 4's and 5's but would you ever recommend not going for gir on par 3's?
Surely unless it's a 200yd plus dog you'd always be trying to knock it on?

dan_ep82 · 02-10-2013 9:30pm

115 today on my third game, 4 over the last day.

Lost four balls. 2 went into water hazards,1 into a ditch and the fourth out of bounds.

The two water hazards I over estimated my distance with a 5 wood,the ditch was was an unlucky bounce and the fourth I hit a slice high and the wind drove it further.

Other than that it was hit and miss. I could say it was the wind or rain but to be honest I think its all on me. Over reaching,lifting my head and not enough skill yet to do what I want it to do.

On the plus I had some nice hits with the driver,pw,9i,7i,6i and the 5 wood.

Some more games, more time at the driving range and some lessons soon before I ingrain the bad habits which I'm sure I have. And some chipping practice at home,it was cringe worthy today,hitting it with the edge of the club because I'm thinking of getting under it and hitting it to the far side of the green:o

I'm hoping by next year I might be decent enough to join a club,get an official handicap and work on lowering it some more.

For now I'm back out Friday and Monday:)

m r c · 02-10-2013 9:36pm

Ajcurry

Maybe it would be better to give some more detail on history m r c?
How long you've been playing, lessons, strenghts/weaknesses etc.

Well I've been playing for 2 and a half years ish now. I tried golf around 07 and liked it but was playing another sport and didn't have time for the two.

So the very first round I marked every shot for was 159 incl all penalty strokes and one whiff :-(
I always take that as my base point when I'm getting pissed with bad play.

I first got my h/c in May 12 of 24

I took me a nice while to play to that but have in about 40 comps since may 12 had three 2nd's and a 5th and made buffer maybe another 7 times(I can get exact buffer if needed)

A fair description of me ATM would be a sub 100 shooter

I have played some nice practice rounds but never brought that game to comps yet.

PARlance · 02-10-2013 10:02pm

m r c wrote: »

Ajcurry

Maybe it would be better to give some more detail on history m r c?
How long you've been playing, lessons, strenghts/weaknesses etc.

Well I've been playing for 2 and a half years ish now. I tried golf around 07 and liked it but was playing another sport and didn't have time for the two.

So the very first round I marked every shot for was 159 incl all penalty strokes and one whiff :-(
I always take that as my base point when I'm getting pissed with bad play.

I first got my h/c in May 12 of 24

I took me a nice while to play to that but have in about 40 comps since may 12 had three 2nd's and a 5th and made buffer maybe another 7 times(I can get exact buffer if needed)

A fair description of me ATM would be a sub 100 shooter

I have played some nice practice rounds but never brought that game to comps yet.

I'm the same in general re the comp v casual.
It took me a long time to get used to comps, I'm still not there I'd say but have gotten better.

Between over eagerness at the start of this year, to putting too much pressure on myself up until recently.
Maybe check out a bit of Karl Morris if you want to improve on the mental game a bit, I found him useful and am still trying to ingrain his thoughts.
He has a free app on the iPhone, if you search Karl Morris you'll get it. It's called Golf:The Mind Factor

It's all about staying "in neutral" on the course.
Not getting too excited by the good shots, and accepting and moving on from bad ones.

m r c · 02-10-2013 10:14pm

I can definitely identify with the mental side AJ and how the good shots can get to you too.
This past summer in our pres prize the weather turned v bad when my group was on about the 7th. I had gotten of to a very strong start I was 1 over gross through 7 and the nerves were killer.

I went out 31 but back in 45 nett and tbh the afternoon players were all screwed that day. Yes my game fell back a bit but it was fecking horrid weather.

I don't dwell on the back nine on reflection though, I was delighted that while playing well I sorta kept out of my own way as it were.

Gin77 · 02-10-2013 10:18pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

For me getting down from 22-11.5 over about 3.5-4 years, these were the things I found most helpful:

1 - go for lessons & persist with the tough times as it will pay off

2 - this was one of my major action points from 22-17. Always look to give myself a par putt (don't get too focussed on gir). That way a 2 putt gives you a bogey & if the one putt drops you walk off with a few bonus pars

3 - just because you flushed an 8 iron 150 yards once doesn't mean An 8 iron is your 150 yard club. Your 150 yard club is the one that on average travels 150 yards. Don't get caught up in the macho bullsh1t of feeling you have to hit less club, it's about scoring not hitting it further than the other guy.

4 - generally when measuring your approach (from say more than 120 yards) take a look at the distance to the back if the green & select the club that corresponds to that distance. Most often you don't hit a perfect shot, so you should hit more greens. Niklaus reckoned he hit maybe 3 perfect shots in a round, so how many do you think you manage? Eg, green is 130 to front covered by bunkers, middle is 140, back is 150. Take your 150 club. You hit it perfect(unlikely), you're on the back of the green, you hit it a little off, you're in the middle if the green, you hit it a little worse, you probably still clear the bunkers & land in the front. Doing this definitely improved my odds of hitting greens.

5 - work on your short game, a lot!

6 - try forget about the course being 2 sets of 9 holes. That way if you start with 2 bad holes you can just write off the 2 bad holes, rather than start thinking "front 9 is ruined, I'll start playing on the back 9". Think about each hole as a game, or if that's too much, break it unto 6 x 3 hole sets. & don't add up your scores after 9 holes to see how your doing, if you're playing well youll probably change your game & start trying to protect your score

7 - know when to take your medicine.if you're in the trees & have a choice of knocking sidewise easily onto the fairway or taking a 1% chance shot through a 2 foot gap in the trees towards the green, 99% of the time you'll score better on the hole by knocking sidewise

These were all helpful for me coming downwards, and hopefully something there might help someone

+1 I'll be using this advice myself (off 19).
My problem is I hit a great drive 100m from the green and often end up with a bogey.
Mostly coming up short of the green with the second shot, especially when playing to a green that has a drain or bunker.
I use 4 wedges a 60deg low bounce (mostly for hard/wet sand) 56deg with bounce for chipping, 52deg for 90m shots, PW for 110m shots.

I always come up short using the 56deg for a full or 3/4 shot very frustrating.
Its really only useful for 40m and in for me, but I often take it out to hit a 70m shot and feck it up, lets call it a mental error.
My lag putting is also poor so thats why I don't tend to go for the fat part of the green.
I've got a lot of work to do now, Thanks

Ilik Urgee · 02-10-2013 10:23pm

There might be a lesson in that. I'm always balls out for the green on a par 3. Hit driver driver to the 3rd in Killeen Killarney and still ended up short one day.

m r c · 02-10-2013 10:26pm

Something I hadn't really thought through before the last few weeks was my putting.
Recently I've being trying to finish my putt so if I miss its 1 ft past the hole on the high side.
It's kinda daft but I'd been just trying to make putts with no real defined plan. When you think about there can be quite a bit of difference in the speed of two putts that still manage to go in which wouldn't be the best of plans long term.

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 10:30pm

m r c wrote: »

I was 1 over gross through 7

So more than 10 under nett yeah?
Off 24 handicap.
You're lucky the handicap thread is closed tbh.

If I was your caddy Id snap all your woods in half and all your irons down to your 7iron. You wouldnt have to worry about gap wedges or lob wedges either.

I reckon you'd still come in under par, having 23 shots left for 11 holes...

m r c · 02-10-2013 10:35pm

GreeBo wrote: »

So more than 10 under nett yeah?
Off 24 handicap.
You're lucky the handicap thread is closed tbh.

If I was your caddy Id snap all your woods in half and all your irons down to your 7iron. You wouldnt have to worry about gap wedges or lob wedges either.

I reckon you'd still come in under par, having 23 shots left for 11 holes...

Read any of my posts though. I could care less about prizes and hate being off 24 all I want is to get lower. And still after starting well I still couldn't get it over the line......

spacecoyote · 02-10-2013 10:43pm

I also think that most high handicap golfers dont think about their score relative to their handicap. Always too obsessed with pars.

If you think about it taking a player off 24.0. 12 bogeys & 6 doubles is 36 points.

If you go around in 16 bogeys & 2 doubles you'll shoot 40 points & handicap drops to 22.4
Then next week shoot 18 bogeys you shoot 40 & get cut to 20.8.

This qualifies you for an esr, get cut another stroke & you're at 19.8.

That's 4.2 strokes in 2 rounds of golf without shooting 1 single par

Cat 4 golfers don't need pars, so don't spoil your round chasing them. If you do get one it is a bonus.

I've tried to sell this to an uncle of mine who plays off 28, who does well to shoot 28 points. His answer is always "Yeah, you're right,but I really want to make pars". Some people will never learn though

GreeBo · 02-10-2013 10:50pm

m r c wrote: »

Read any of my posts though. I could care less about prizes and hate being off 24 all I want is to get lower. And still after starting well I still couldn't get it over the line......

Thats not starting "well" when you are off 24.
Thats the equivalent of me shooting 7 birdies in 7 holes, at that stage I'd be using a sombrero to keep the sun out of my eyes.

I'm going to bow out now because I'll just say something and have to card myself.

slingerz · 03-10-2013 9:22am

m r c wrote: »

There has been enough talk about high handicaps on this forum so this thread is for people to discuss ways, tips and ideas as to cut out mistakes at all levels of h/c.

I'll start, I'm off 24.1 ATM just lost .4 the last time I played, my strategy was as follows.
I put priority on hitting the fairway off the tee, and if I missed I wanted my miss to be as near as possible. I managed to hit 9 fairways and finished with the ball I started with.
My current thinking about missed greens is to go for the fat part of the green regardless of pin position to again attempt to take the big numbers off the card and this puts more pressure on the putter which is where it should be. Any time I manage this plan it gives me a putt at par which is never a bad thing. I've noticed that I've had a lot more of them now than before.

It'd be great if any views to the contrary were put forward in a positive manner I'm fed up with bickering and they could be really useful to all if helpful

i think they best thing you cuold do is practice from 7 iron to sand wedge all those different types of shots.

my biggest obstacle is pitching and chipping. zero confidence and zero practice on it. its my first year as a member and my chipping has improved but my pitching etc is cat altogether.

m r c · 03-10-2013 10:16am

How I'm feeling about getting lower at the minute.

This is not everyone's taste but I think Eric Thomas is a remarkable person.

http://youtu.be/PPqprN5nrJg

alxmorgan · 03-10-2013 11:28am

My biggest issue at the moment is keeping the ball in play off the tee.
For example last weekend I was at the range Saturday and working on driver.
Super session and had repeatable routine and feel and drives all going well on target

Sunday morning hooked drives on 1, 2 and 4.
Next 4 drives were dead straight and long.
Next hole 2 drives OOB and first ball OOB on 2 of next 3 holes.

Its maddening to go from super to sh*te in a few holes.
Now I don't want to talk course management here cause I know I could have put driver away after first hole or 2 or definitely after OOB hole(s) but does anyone have any thoughts on how to develop a fairway finder shot off the tee ?

Maybe drills ? Maybe tempo thoughts ? Anything would be of interest to me.

My feeling is that hooks are toe hits and centered contact is focus tonight at range

GreeBo · 03-10-2013 11:32am

alxmorgan wrote: »

Now I don't want to talk course management here cause I know I could have put driver away after first hole or 2 or definitely after OOB hole(s) but does anyone have any thoughts on how to develop a fairway finder shot off the tee ?

I guess the answer depends on what club you are willing to use to find the fairway. I dont think you can talk about fairway finders without considering course management...its the same thing really. You are going to have days when you need to hit a 5i to find the fairway.

If you are intent on hitting the driver no matter what, then try gripping down an inch or two, a shorter club is easier to use and you will find the middle of the clubface more often.

However, a shot thats not in the middle of the club isnt going to hook or slice horribly oob on its own, so there is probably something else in there that needs to be looked at.

alxmorgan · 03-10-2013 11:36am

GreeBo wrote: »

I guess the answer depends on what club you are willing to use to find the fairway. I dont think you can talk about fairway finders without considering course management...its the same thing really. You are going to have days when you need to hit a 5i to find the fairway.

If you are intent on hitting the driver no matter what, then try gripping down an inch or two, a shorter club is easier to use and you will find the middle of the clubface more often.

However, a shot thats not in the middle of the club isnt going to hook or slice horribly oob on its own, so there is probably something else in there that needs to be looked at.

You are correct of course that a true fairway finder for me is probably a 5 iron. I would not be much more confident with my 3 wood or hybrid than my driver. So I am not ruling that out but I'm not prepared to leave it in the bag as I can hit it well at times but I need to take it to the course and I can't do that without actually using it

I am considering shortening the driver from 45.75 to 44 so the grip down is a fair point.

Interesting point re toe != hook.
How much % wise would you say a toe hit contributes to a hook and how much would be other factors such as path ?

The "Epic" lowering your handicap "mega" thread

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