Travellers leave dead horse beside main road after Sulky race crash.

Cantona's Collars · 02-10-2013 09:53AM #1

Travellers had been racing the horse on the N8 road, connecting Cork with Dublin, it is claimed
They crashed the animal into the back of a parked Volkswagen Polo
They then left the horse to die on the side of the road - with blood pouring from its head, neck and front legs

In recent weeks, Cork County Council has proposed strengthening current legislation on 'sulky' racing in order to make the sport safer.

Its recommendations include racers wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars being fitted on to carriages and riders requiring permission prior to travelling on public roads.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2440291/Distressing-moment-travellers-leave-horse-dead-Irish-country-road.html#ixzz2gYZSrzih

Don't click on pics if you are easily distressed by dead animals.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-186F1B1700000578-933_634x599.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-186F1B3800000578-204_634x703.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-186F1B2A00000578-968_634x697.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-1870B58100000578-594_634x500.jpg

Feck this, "sure it's our tradition boss",if you or I took to racing on a public road,we'd be in court.

Within the last few months down my way we've had 2 cases of them dumping dead horses by the roadside.

AnonoBoy · 02-10-2013 09:53AM

Silly people. They could have got cash for that down in Tesco.

Are we still doing Tesco jokes?

No?

Mr McBoatface · 02-10-2013 09:55AM

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

tin79 · 02-10-2013 09:57AM

5 daily mail links in one post!

My eyes!

Corkbah · 02-10-2013 09:58AM

what speed must they have been doing to damage a parked car THAT badly ??

Professey Chin · 02-10-2013 10:03AM

In recent weeks, Cork County Council has proposed strengthening current legislation on 'sulky' racing in order to make the sport safer.

Its recommendations include racers wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars being fitted on to carriages and riders requiring permission prior to travelling on public roads.

Or ban the sh!t completely and stop pandering to them

tin79 · 02-10-2013 10:05AM

Corkbah wrote: »

what speed must they have been doing to damage a parked car THAT badly ??

Horses are big heavy animals. They do a lot of damage.

goose2005 · 02-10-2013 10:05AM

The Dark Lord Cthulu wrote: »

Or ban the sh!t completely and stop pandering to them

It's quite a bizarre thing for the council to say, racing on public roads has never been legal

bumper234 · 02-10-2013 10:08AM

Mods should leave this one open. Sick of the way travelers can get away with this crap and we are not supposed to talk about it in case someone gets offended :mad:

gobnaitolunacy · 02-10-2013 10:10AM

goose2005 wrote: »

It's quite a bizarre thing for the council to say, racing on public roads has never been legal

The official organisation for sulky racing and trotting rep said as much in interview...they race on grass tracks and none too pleased with the 'road racing' participants.

I don't know how an activity that came out of nowhere 15-20 years ago counts as 'tradition'.

Cantona's Collars · 02-10-2013 10:12AM

tin79 wrote: »

5 daily mail links in one post!

My eyes!

4 are pictures,did you click on them?

Didn't spot anything in the Irish media about it.

seamus · 02-10-2013 10:13AM

goose2005 wrote: »

It's quite a bizarre thing for the council to say, racing on public roads has never been legal

Well it's not strictly illegal to race sulkies on the roads unless they're acting dangerously.

Now of course, sulky racing and dangerous illegal behaviour go hand in hand, but from a pure perspective, the racing itself is not inherently illegal because speed limits don't apply to them, and the law doesn't ban racing on public roads (for any type of vehicle).

Really the Gardai should be moving in to lock this stuff down as soon as it happens, but as we saw from the video last year, the travelling community enables and encourages this illegal behaviour by protecting those involved.

Femme_Fatale · 02-10-2013 10:14AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Mods should leave this one open. Sick of the way travelers can get away with this crap and we are not supposed to talk about it in case someone gets offended :mad:

I reckon if people could just discuss the problems within traveller culture without using OTT derogatory language (no matter how deserved it's felt it is) and recommending all travellers be culled, these threads might be kept open.
I don't think it's the discussion of the issues in and and of itself that causes the thread shutdowns.

humanji · 02-10-2013 10:18AM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

Well yes, negative generalisations about an entire ethnic group is pretty much one of the definitions of racism.

bumper234 wrote: »

Mods should leave this one open. Sick of the way travelers can get away with this crap and we are not supposed to talk about it in case someone gets offended :mad:

If people can talk about it without being racist and without demanding violent action be taken, then there'll be no locked threads. History has shown this to be near impossible. Please prove me wrong.

bumper234 · 02-10-2013 10:18AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I reckon if people could just discuss the problems within traveller culture without using OTT derogatory language (no matter how deserved it's felt it is) and recommending all travellers be culled, these threads might be kept open.
I don't think it's the discussion of the issues in and and of itself that causes the thread shutdowns.

I agree but the last thread had about 6 or 7 posts in it and was closed before it could be discussed. Saying that i am sure mods are sick to death of having to deal with the crap that you have pointed out gets almost religiously posted in these threads

josip · 02-10-2013 10:23AM

Getting my post in before, well you know...

Was the car parked in off the road? It looked like it from the picture. You'd want to be a pretty poor sulky driver to hit it there.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 02-10-2013 10:27AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

The official organisation for sulky racing and trotting rep said as much in interview...they race on grass tracks and none too pleased with the 'road racing' participants.

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

Bog Standard User · 02-10-2013 10:29AM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Silly people. They could have got cash for that down in Tesco.

findus are still buying the meat

gobnaitolunacy · 02-10-2013 10:30AM

CJC999 wrote: »

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

Irish Harness Racing Club, which operate grass tracks in Portmarnock, Co Dublin, West Cork and Annaghmore in Co Armagh.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sulky-racing-recommendations-nonsensical-243510.html

anncoates · 02-10-2013 10:32AM

CJC999 wrote: »

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

Many people on AH wouldn't know this having never been brought up in proximity to travellers - being from Irish Times Letter Page suburbs, as it were.

valknut · 02-10-2013 10:34AM

Poor animal, pity it wasn't the sulky racer itself.

They regularly race where I am from on quite county roads and are a danger to motorists an children. And travellers are NOT a race by the way to those who think otherwise.

bumper234 · 02-10-2013 10:35AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Irish Harness Racing Club, which operate grass tracks in Portmarnock, Co Dublin, West Cork and Annaghmore in Co Armagh.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sulky-racing-recommendations-nonsensical-243510.html

I ask this in the NICEST possible way....do you really think that this club would allow travelers to join and race?

gobnaitolunacy · 02-10-2013 10:37AM

bumper234 wrote: »

I ask this in the NICEST possible way....do you really think that this club would allow travelers to join and race?

Why don't you email them and find out?

iDave · 02-10-2013 10:39AM

One rule for them one for the rest of us. Sickening.

seamus · 02-10-2013 10:40AM

bumper234 wrote: »

I ask this in the NICEST possible way....do you really think that this club would allow travelers to join and race?

Why wouldn't they? You do know that if a traveller applied to join and was refused because they were a traveller, the law will back them up?

Larbre34 · 02-10-2013 10:41AM

Why in the name of J does legislation need to be 'strengthened' to deal with these illegal activities on the road?? Please tell me all the bloody volumes of road traffic legislation is sufficient to deal with , speeding, crossing white lines, dangerous driving, failing to yield, failing to indicate, failing to control livestock on the road, tax and insurance offences.

Give me a bloody break about this. I was in Singapore last year, if you commit a serious enough road traffic offence you get a five figure fine, a 6 month prison term, and caned in a way that leaves permanent scars!!

vicwatson · 02-10-2013 10:41AM

In recent weeks, Cork County Council has proposed strengthening current legislation on 'sulky' racing in order to make the sport safer.

Its recommendations include racers wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars being fitted on to carriages and riders requiring permission prior to travelling on public roads.

This is balls.

They should be made illegal on Public roads FULL STOP, not encouraged to wear high vis jackets.

I pay hefty road tax for this sh1te ??

kowloon · 02-10-2013 10:42AM

This is going to sound like I'm taking the pi55, but I'm not.

Is the 'driver' of the horse responsible for crashing into the back of a car in the same way as a car owner, or is it treated as the horse ran into a car so the owner of the horse is responsible for the actions of the horse?

seamus · 02-10-2013 10:44AM

kowloon wrote: »

This is going to sound like I'm taking the pi55, but I'm not.

Is the 'driver' of the horse responsible for crashing into the back of a car in the same way as a car owner, or is it treated as the horse ran into a car so the owner of the horse is responsible for the actions of the horse?

Yes, in this case the usual road traffic provisions would apply. The driver of the sulky is liable for all costs, and also guilty of leaving the scene of an accident. Further charges of dangerous driving would probably also apply.

Outside of road traffic legislation, there's probably an animal welfare law they've broken, but Ireland's animal welfare laws are so pathetic as to be practically non-existent.

Zzippy · 02-10-2013 10:44AM

CJC999 wrote: »

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

There are official racetracks (off road). Look at aerial photography of any rural area on osi.ie and you'll see private practice tracks in fields all over the country.

Just 2 examples

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,541863,736106,6,0 - Co. Galway

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,710525,744895,6,0 - Co. Dublin

gobnaitolunacy · 02-10-2013 10:44AM

vicwatson wrote: »

This is balls.

They should be made illegal on Public roads FULL STOP, not encouraged to wear high vis jackets.

I pay hefty road tax for this sh1te ??

Well, look at it this way, if it's too much trouble for 'fly-by-night' racers to comply with the law...they'll get put off the road anyway.
(in theory..)

Travellers leave dead horse beside main road after Sulky race crash.

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