Greedy Mary McAleese keeps €141k pension

guillespe · 28-09-2013 02:10PM

I agree with the poster,she is worth millions without the pension why is she keeping it,and at the expense of an economically broken country that owes germany + interest.

**** her.

Foxhound38 · 28-09-2013 02:39PM

thebaz wrote: »

yes your honour, when the country is in such a ****ing financial mess, and so much hardship around , is it too much to expect all politicians not to act like corrupt Fianna Failers , especially those that based ther campaigns on honesty and ethics. Nothing legally wrong obviously , but ethically i have a problem , if she can well afford to forego pension , especially when many of the poorer sections of our society are being squeezed for basic human needs.

In what way specifically has former President McAleese acted in a corrupt manner? Baring in mind that corruption is a serious and criminal charge to make against someone

Oakboy · 28-09-2013 02:40PM

unkel wrote: »

It's disgraceful, Mary. You're already a multi-millionaire. Do the right thing and give up the state pension, we can't afford to pay you that kind of money any more.

Linky

How is that the right thing?
What is disgraceful is journalists trying to bully her into giving it back. She has absolutely no obligation to do so.

This logic implies anyone that is well off who has been in public office should give money back or face harassment like this? That's some society you envisage. It is bullying plain and simple. I hope Mary keeps every cent

guillespe · 28-09-2013 02:43PM

This logic implies anyone that is well off who has been in public office should give money back or face harassment like this? That's some society you envisage. It is bullying plain and simple. I hope Mary keeps every cent

Every cent at the tax payers expense,ie you and me,this will really help when paying back ze germans plus added interest..Fool

Insect Overlord · 28-09-2013 02:44PM

What a stupid fecking thing to give out about. Jesus. Who's that bored on a Saturday afternoon?

Fr_Dougal · 28-09-2013 02:45PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I once saw a civil servant buy a cup of tea AND a Snack Bar at a Cafe!

DISGRACEFUL! Some people can't AFFORD Snack Bars!

:eek: What colour Schnack Bar?

spank_inferno · 28-09-2013 02:45PM

Why is anyone surprised?

We must have forgotten mother Mary is a Fianne Failer.

Oakboy · 28-09-2013 02:46PM

guillespe wrote: »

Every cent at the tax payers expense,ie you and me,this will really help when paying back ze germans plus added interest..Fool

Your logic is to bully politicians to hand back money just because they are politicians and are perceived to be well off. Yet I'm the fool....??

The Big Smoke · 28-09-2013 02:48PM

I really wish I had gone into politics, between the salaries, pensions and the general passive attitude this country (look at this thread) has it seems like a winning career choice.

Outkast_IRE · 28-09-2013 02:50PM

Civil service pensions at all levels should be capped at the average industrial wage, as a maximum, if they want to contribute to them to top that up then leave them at it like everyone else.

Foxhound38 · 28-09-2013 02:54PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

:eek: What colour Schnack Bar?

Imperial purple I recall! :eek:

Wasn't even from a multi-pack! :mad:

guillespe · 28-09-2013 03:07PM

Your logic is to bully politicians to hand back money just because they are politicians and are perceived to be well off. Yet I'm the fool....??

Im not bullying any politician,im just asking them to hand back the pension payout,as this woman mcalesse doesn't need this payout her life doesn't depend on it,she is worth millions without it anyway..

If this was anybody else doing the same thing there could be uproar but politicians seem to be the protected species..

All you need to walk away with a pension in this country as a politician is to work 2 years how the fvck is that fair??

MadsL · 28-09-2013 03:20PM

mrbrown69 wrote: »

While old age pensioners go to Mountjoy

For 30 mins. Let's get a grip here. And they were 60 years old, not pensioners.

Bannasidhe · 28-09-2013 03:24PM

Personally I find it a bit rich listening to politics saying how we all must tighten out belts and do our bit yada yada yada sure didn't we all party so they cut resources to schools, cut resources to hospitals, cut resources to emergency services and that not enough so its propert taxes and water taxes and levies and VAT increases and an increase to the age the Old Age Pension is paid out at but heaven forbid that these same politico should lose their 'entitlements' or have to actually wait until retirement age to collect these 'entitlements'.

MaAleese - and Robinson - were elected as President. A non-political (ha!) office which is based on the role played by the British monarch i.e. as 'figurehead' or embodiment of the State itself - and here we have the perfect examples of why Ireland is a failed State imho. Our figureheads are perfectly content to claim every cent as they are 'entitled' while also working in highly paid jobs outside the State with no thought of 'sharing the pain' whatsoever.

As for the likes of Cowen, Ahern etc - as far as I am concerned they should be in the dock explaining their incompetence not sitting on their arses collecting considerably more in pension payments than the vast majority of Irish taxpayers (who are funding them) get in gross annual income.

What is the difference between people on SW and retired politicos ?
People on SW are regularly vilified in threads on boards (scroungers/spongers who should be on food stamps/vouchers etc), watched and called to account and howverydaretheybeaburdon - but politicians...oh well, they are entitled - who entitled them? They did!

Cody Pomeray · 28-09-2013 03:27PM

I was really saddened to see the Indo put that story on the front page of their newspaper this morning. And no, I'm not exaggerating. There is so much bad stuff going on, and they're making headlines out of a person not making a gift to the state.

They're chasing pennies in national debt terms, and they're denigrating the few things that we can have faith in, in the process.

The President is the closest thing we have to a secular, non-denominational spiritual leader. Stories like this just try to start a fire of cynicism in one of the few institutions that we can feel belong to us as a People and are above politics.

The other national institution that belongs to the People is the constitution, and we can see what a hash they're trying to make of that as well. It's time society started to really turn on those who try to undermine society's core structures. I don't want our former Presidents to be shamed into making gifts to the state which will end up saving some quango or the Taoiseach's cleaning bill. get a grip.

aidan24326 · 28-09-2013 03:33PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Civil service pensions at all levels should be capped at the average industrial wage, as a maximum, if they want to contribute to them to top that up then leave them at it like everyone else.

It's being reined in a bit now but for too long public sector pensions here were a gravy train.

Ruairi Quinn recently said that he doesn't have much room to manouevre in terms of cutting his Dept of Education budget, because 80% of his entire departmental budget consists of pensions to retired staff, most of whom were allowed retire in their 50s on pensions that would be higher than what a lot of people earn in full time employment.

Painted Pony · 28-09-2013 04:31PM

I wonder how much all of those yowling and growling about Mary McAleese not giving her money away have ever voluntarily given to the state in our times of need? Granted, you mightn’t be able to match what McM might be able to do but surely you could manage a once of €100, or even €50?

But of course you haven’t or wouldn’t, just like I haven’t or wouldn’t. Because, the odd bit of political gimmickry aside, nobody (sane!) does this kind of thing. At all. Ever.

If you want to make a case that remuneration is unduly generous for some of our political offices, fine. But outrage because someone is refusing to give their money away? Very, very silly.

Bannasidhe · 28-09-2013 04:34PM

Painted Pony wrote: »

I wonder how much all of those yowling and growling about Mary McAleese not giving her money away have ever voluntarily given to the state in our times of need? Granted, you mightn’t be able to match what McM might be able to do but surely you could manage a once of €100, or even €50?

But of course you haven’t or wouldn’t, just like I haven’t or wouldn’t. Because, the odd bit of political gimmickry aside, nobody (sane!) does this kind of thing. At all. Ever.

If you want to make a case that remuneration is unduly generous for some of our political offices, fine. But outrage because someone is refusing to give their money away? Very, very silly.

I shall look forward to your posts in the next thread about SW where you will no doubt make the same points about 'their' money.

Painted Pony · 28-09-2013 04:40PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I shall look forward to your posts in the next thread about SW where you will no doubt make the same points about 'their' money.

The money social welfare recipients get IS their money, just as the money retired public servants get IS their money.

If you (we) think one or other of these groups are being paid too much then we can reduce what they get. But to expect them to voluntarily give this money back …:rolleyes:

(Have you ever returned any money paid to you my the state? I.e. social welfare, tax rebate, mortgage relief etc?)

Cody Pomeray · 28-09-2013 04:42PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

Ruairi Quinn recently said that he doesn't have much room to manouevre in terms of cutting his Dept of Education budget, because 80% of his entire departmental budget consists of pensions to retired staff

I think he said 80% of his budget goes to salaries and pensions, not just pensions. 80% is definitely not the pension figure.

tinkerbell · 28-09-2013 04:44PM

Quazzie wrote: »

Why should she give it back? She served her time for this country and that's the figure that our government has given her for her service.

Under your theory anyone that has money or worth over a million should work for no wages and instead give it to the Government OP. There's a word for that kind of system

Fixed it for you :pac:

28-09-2013 04:48PM

Since when is someone greedy for collecting the pension they are a) entitled to, and b) have earned?

She earned her pension, it's not a gift from the State.

VONSHIRACH · 28-09-2013 04:56PM

If this relates to the tax year 2012, then MaryMc has until 31st October 2013 ( a few weeks later online I think) to finalise her income tax return for 2012. So, she could still opt to give back pension income before that taxation deadline.

Santa Cruz · 28-09-2013 05:14PM

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

If this relates to the tax year 2012, then MaryMc has until 31st October 2013 ( a few weeks later online I think) to finalise her income tax return for 2012. So, she could still opt to give back pension income before that taxation deadline.

Better warn Air Traffic Control that there will be a number of pigs flying around soon

Hootanany · 28-09-2013 05:26PM

Candie wrote: »

Since when is someone greedy for collecting the pension they are a) entitled to, and b) have earned?

She earned her pension, it's not a gift from the State.

She also earned about €280.000 per a anum while in Office and a free Gaff.
How much does this Parsite need?

Bannasidhe · 28-09-2013 06:49PM

Painted Pony wrote: »

(Have you ever returned any money paid to you my the state? I.e. social welfare, tax rebate, mortgage relief etc?)

Stupidly I actually have.

My point is one of solidarity. We hear a lot about being in together from the political class - but see little.

Seems leading by example is not something we can expect from 'our leaders.'

Painted Pony · 28-09-2013 07:12PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Stupidly I actually have.

My point is one of solidarity. We hear a lot about being in together from the political class - but see little.

Seems leading by example is not something we can expect from 'our leaders.'

Nobody is asking us to make voluntary contributions to the state coffers. We are being asked to accept demands that are being imposed upon us, which is rather a different thing.

There is little point in a politician leading by example if nobody, your self excepted (if you are to be believed!

), has the remotest inclination to follow their lead, is there?

ZeroThreat · 28-09-2013 07:15PM

quite a few bitter working class doleheads on this thread

deadybai · 28-09-2013 07:17PM

Shes the bloody former president of the country. Of course she will have a huge pension. I hate the way the people of Ireland have become so cynical and negative. Its almost like its the new trend to hate any political person. Its a rotten what we have become.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 28-09-2013 07:22PM

I don't particularly like MMcA but she served as president of this ramshackle ****hole country for 14 years and is more deserving of it than many politicians who served less than half that in ministerial posts and are getting equivalent or bigger pensions. I don't see why she should give it back if none of the rest of the political failures don't.

Greedy Mary McAleese keeps €141k pension

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