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Postcode system predictions

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  • #32
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    The British system or any similar alphanumeric system would probably be best (and likely cheaper to license).

    Two main criteria for any system

    1) Accuracy (to street level at least)
    2) Ease of use. 7 digits/letters is about the maximum for any system.

    One potential problem with using letters in any system is that they can often be mistaken more frequently than numbers (n and m for example), but there's 26 of them which makes it easier to encode more locations.

    Alas knowing our politicians it'll be unwieldy, illogical and no better than the current vague Dublin postcodes. Plus I imagine any system will bend over backwards to incorporate the D4 and D6W :rolleyes: postcode snobs or those with stupid house names instead of numbers.


  • #33
    MadsL
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    The British system or any similar alphanumeric system would probably be best (and likely cheaper to license).

    Two main criteria for any system

    1) Accuracy (to street level at least)
    2) Ease of use. 7 digits/letters is about the maximum for any system.

    One potential problem with using letters in any system is that they can often be mistaken more frequently than numbers (n and m for example), but there's 26 of them which makes it easier to encode more locations.

    Alas knowing our politicians it'll be unwieldy, illogical and no better than the current vague Dublin postcodes. Plus I imagine any system will bend over backwards to incorporate the D4 and D6W :rolleyes: postcode snobs or those with stupid house names instead of numbers.

    Surely any new system should be accurate to the building and basically get you to the front door.


  • #34
    el pasco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭el pasco


    MadsL wrote: »
    Tell that to the courier services, they are begging for a postal code system. Likewise the emergency services.

    Why would it be a bad thing? Please give as much detail as possible.

    I don't understand why a postcode is even needed like the vast vast majority of people get mail 100% and I never heard of the emerancy services not getting to someone because of a lack of a postcode

    Like an address uses town land or street then parish or area or district then town then county if you can't get a house from that you shouldn't be in your job how do An Post mange it so well then with no postcode?


  • #35
    el pasco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭el pasco


    kneemos wrote: »
    Coupled with the callers directions it would be a godsend for the emergency services.

    If you are calling the emergency services you give directions to your house they can also track your house via a landline number or track your call if necessary if they are really stuck they can always ask someone in the area


  • #36
    Jimoslimos
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Surely any new system should be accurate to the building and basically get you to the front door.
    House number + postcode does that reasonably well in the UK.


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  • #37
    cerastes
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    how come the UK manages with 6 characters and we need 8?
    or is the new system something else


  • #38
    Mr Simpson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    el pasco wrote: »
    If you are calling the emergency services you give directions to your house they can also track your house via a landline number or track your call if necessary if they are really stuck they can always ask someone in the area

    Time is crucial in an emergency. Stopping for directions in the bog arse of nowhere really isnt the best option


  • #39
    Scaramanga 4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭Scaramanga 4


    Mr Simpson wrote: »
    Time is crucial in an emergency. Stopping for directions in the bog arse of nowhere really isnt the best option

    How would a postcode help them in the bog arse of nowhere? A big area bog arse of nowhere would have the same postcode.


  • #40
    kneemos
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    Scaramanga 4 wrote: »
    How would a postcode help them in the bog arse of nowhere? A big area bog arse of nowhere would have the same postcode.

    It would get them to the area via sat nav and the caller would provide directions.


  • #41
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Scaramanga 4 wrote: »
    How would a postcode help them in the bog arse of nowhere? A big area bog arse of nowhere would have the same postcode.
    House numbers could be assigned by distance rather than sequence as is mandatory in some parts of Australia. Houses are numbered according to distance (in 10s of metres) from the start of the road.

    For example, A house 9264 metres from the road start point is given the number 926.

    http://www.griffith.nsw.gov.au/cp_galleries/gis/master/3760bdf3647b82e5ebacad3ee60b315e.jpg


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  • #42
    Sh1tbag OToole
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    House number + postcode does that reasonably well in the UK.

    I'm in the Youkay now and plenty of stuff still lands up here for the neighbours half a mile up the road.

    Postcodes are overrated. Just another 'me too' item that our overlords want to fit in with Europe


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    I'm in the Youkay now and plenty of stuff still lands up here for the neighbours half a mile up the road.

    Postcodes are overrated. Just another 'me too' item that our overlords want to fit in with Europe
    The postcode on its own is not enough to ensure the letter gets to the correct address, it only gets it to the correct postcode area (assuming the sorting office does its job!) it still needs the house number (name) on the letter to get to you.

    I have sent several letters with only the house number & postcode and they've always got through.


    If you've had a letter go to a neighbours house it's not the postcode that's the problem it's a clumsy postman, if the postcode was at fault, the letter would have more than likely gone via the Isle of Skye before getting to you.


  • #44
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The postcode on its own is not enough to ensure the letter gets to the correct address, it only gets it to the correct postcode area (assuming the sorting office does its job!) it still needs the house number (name) on the letter to get to you.

    I have sent several letters with only the house number & postcode and they've always got through.

    In Soviet Ireland you can send a letter with just a name and a county and if it's an unusual name it will arrive.

    I think the post and couriers should just start supporting GPS coordinates. Instead of inventing new obscure proprietary systems


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    In Soviet Ireland you can send a letter with just a name and a county and if it's an unusual name it will arrive.

    I think the post and couriers should just start supporting GPS coordinates. Instead of inventing new obscure proprietary systems
    True, but the original idea behind the postcode system was to fill the postman’s bag with only the letters he would have to deliver on his round.


  • #46
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Deleted User wrote: »
    True, but the original idea behind the postcode system was to fill the postman’s bag with only the letters he would have to deliver on his round.

    What is the status of the postman's bag now, is he still carrying letters around he doesn't deliver? Besides the endless amount of disposable Chinese made shoite people order off amazon dot co dot uk and not have the decency to wait around for to accept in person?

    Also what happens to Dublin 4 with any new system? Surely the familiar D4 or 4D will be incorporated into the new code system somehow. I cant imagine our overlords are willing to put up with D4 no longer existing and the resulting drop in property value, given the amount of overlords that live in this area. This is a brick and mortar society after all and everyone is a slave to the house prices


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    What is the status of the postman's bag now, is he still carrying letters around he doesn't deliver? Besides the endless amount of disposable Chinese made shoite people order off amazon dot co dot uk and not have the decency to wait around for to accept in person?

    Also what happens to Dublin 4 with any new system? Surely the familiar D4 or 4D will be incorporated into the new code system somehow. I cant imagine our overlords are willing to put up with D4 no longer existing and the resulting drop in property value, given the amount of overlords that live in this area. This is a brick and mortar society after all and everyone is a slave to the house prices

    :confused: to the first part!

    The old London area codes were incorporated into the postcode system when it was developed in the 50s or was it the 60s so I expect that they'll have the infamous D4 in there as well.


  • #48
    Jimoslimos
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    I think the post and couriers should just start supporting GPS coordinates. Instead of inventing new obscure proprietary systems
    Except postal systems don't work like that. Mail gets collected and sorted at a main sorting office, delivered to a regional centre and then to the local delivery office. GPS coordinates are meaningless in this regard, since they give no information on how the mail should be sorted.


  • #49
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Except postal systems don't work like that. Mail gets collected and sorted at a main sorting office, delivered to a regional centre and then to the local delivery office. GPS coordinates are meaningless in this regard, since they give no information on how the mail should be sorted.

    A python script could sort all the closest ones together. It will be grand. An post doesn't need help from the government sorting their mail or we would have heard about it


  • #50
    Jimoslimos
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    A python script could sort all the closest ones together. It will be grand. An post doesn't need help from the government sorting their mail or we would have heard about it
    GPS coordinates are unwieldy and difficult to remember. Plus it would be an almighty mess if everyone was to self-assign their property location, not to mention people mixing deg/min/sec and decimal


  • #51
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    GPS coordinates are unwieldy and difficult to remember. Plus it would be an almighty mess if everyone was to self-assign their property location, not to mention people mixing deg/min/sec and decimal

    Not much harder than a phone number.

    You could have a database that maps more European-looking postcodes to GPS coordinates. People define their own cryptic-looking numbers and letters and submit their own coordinates, have them declare that the details are true under threat of a €2,000 fine.

    Make them pay €100 to sign themselves up through a website. Everyone will go for it, just like all the taxes they brought in the past few years! You can extract even more revenue if you allow certain premium postcodes to be traded.


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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    A python script could sort all the closest ones together. It will be grand. An post doesn't need help from the government sorting their mail or we would have heard about it
    Unless a river passes through the middle of the zone and the nearest bridge is several kms away.

    An Post have already "sorted" it out!


  • #53
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Unless a river passes through the middle of the zone and the nearest bridge is several kms away.

    An Post have already "sorted" it out!

    A river? Sure you get over that


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    A river? Sure you get over that
    A postman or courier will not appreciate having the deliver to both sides if it means a long drive to get to the bridge that allows him to get to the other side of an obstruction, it's better if one does one side and another does the other side. A postcode system can do that whereas a raw co-ordinate based system can't unless an intelligent overlay that understands the road layout is used with it.


  • #55
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A postman or courier will not appreciate having the deliver to both sides if it means a long drive to get to the bridge that allows him to get to the other side of an obstruction, it's better if one does one side and another does the other side.

    They aren't the postmen we used to have so. Back in my day the postman swam a mile and a half upstream, both ways to deliver the cat food I ordered.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    They aren't the postmen we used to have so. Back in my day the postman swam a mile and a half upstream, both ways to deliver the cat food I ordered.

    Nah! They were army trained postman, they would abseil over the river and deliver by stealth and disappear into the hight to the next house.


  • #57
    monkeynuz
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Coupled with the callers directions it would be a godsend for the emergency services.

    Tell that to the family in England who's little girl died because the ambulance got lost on the way to the house and then on the way to hospital because the bloody sat nav wasn't working properly!


  • #58
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,413 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    We'll all be tattooed with our own personal postcode, which will result in a greatly enhanced postal service as the postman will be expected to deliver all items directly into the hands of the recipient.


  • #59
    monkeynuz
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    cerastes wrote: »
    how come the UK manages with 6 characters and we need 8?
    or is the new system something else

    Just to be picky 6-7 characters


  • #60
    monkeynuz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭monkeynuz


    Zaph wrote: »
    We'll all be tattooed with our own personal postcode, which will result in a greatly enhanced postal service as the postman will be expected to deliver all items directly into the hands of the recipient.

    Barcode tattoos, predicted years ago will happen one day.


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  • #61
    Capt'n Midnight
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Tell that to the courier services, they are begging for a postal code system. Likewise the emergency services.

    Why would it be a bad thing? Please give as much detail as possible.
    It's been done to death in other threads

    1. Courier services are begging. In the sense that they want something for nothing. If they shared addresses with each other they could have already have it sorted by now. But it's like a lobster pot nobody wants anyone to have any benefit.

    2. Like I said emergency services can get mobile phone locations from the masts. Or tie AnPost database into emergency services - not rocket science.

    3. Have you heard of the post code lottery ? Everything from the amount of Junk Mail you get to Car Insurance prices will depend on your post code.


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