Number of Theist/Atheist/Agnostic People on boards

forgotten password · 24-09-2013 05:21PM

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seanie_c · 24-09-2013 05:21PM

Seachmall wrote: »

You say "Atheists" but I think you mean "Scientists". Y'know, the folk that collect and analyse evidence to reach conclusions (i.e. it's not just more of the same).

Yep, and scientists are not infallible.

Scientists once thought the milky way was our entire universe and they were wrong.

Our models of the universe and its origin are only as good as our knowledge of it today and I'm so sorry If I don't accept the dogmatic beliefs of some Atheists being absolute fact.

Scientists are using primitive instruments to read the universe and then pretend to have an answer how it was created. It's silly.

Jimoslimos · 24-09-2013 05:21PM

Poll should have 4 options;

Gnostic Theist
Agnostic Theist
Agnostic Atheist
Gnostic Atheist

Most would fall into the two middle agnostic categories, believe/don't believe but don't claim to have any special knowledge one way or another.

WinnyThePoo · 24-09-2013 05:26PM

Agnostic myself..but I don't care about religion and I don't care to think of it all too much. I too find loud atheists annoying and often or not insulting to me, because I'm "sitting on the fence". I'm not sitting on the fence..i really don't care.

Ghost Buster · 24-09-2013 05:28PM

seanie_c wrote: »

Yep, and scientists are not infallible.

Scientists once thought the milky way was our entire universe and they were wrong.

Our models of the universe and its origin are only as good as our knowledge of it today and I'm so sorry If I don't accept the dogmatic beliefs of some Atheists being absolute fact.

Scientists are using primitive instruments to read the universe and then pretend to have an answer how it was created. It's silly.

Your posts are willfully stupid i think.
You started out by purposely confusing atheists and scientists and when this runs out of steam you create straw men about scientists so you can shoot down statements which no one have made.
And now we are onto to atheists beliefs...yawn....... What are they then?..... (I think i can guess but fire ahead:rolleyes:)

Artful_Badger · 24-09-2013 05:28PM

seanie_c wrote: »

Yep, and scientists and are not infallible.

Scientists once thought the milky way was our entire universe and they were wrong.

Our models of the universe and its origin are only as good as our knowledge of it today and I'm so sorry If I don't accept the dogmatic beliefs of some Atheists being absolute fact.

Scientists are using primitive instruments to read the universe and then pretend to have an answer how it was created. It's silly.

Can you show me which scientists are claiming to know how the universe was created ? I've read a lot of popular science books and have a keen interest in cosmology and the like and I have never heard a scientist say anything of the kind.

Scientists also never claim anything as fact. They deal with whats most probable based on the results of what they have been able to test. And in my book choosing that over ignorance or fantasy is a no brainer.

We are also not using primitive instruments. Some of the things scientist have access to these days are immensely accurate. And the huge recent advancement in how we are able to manipulate matter and energy is a pretty clear indication that they weren't far off the mark even if the models they are working off are wrong.

24-09-2013 05:29PM

Catholic.

Galwayguy35 · 24-09-2013 05:31PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I don't need to be a mind reader to know that people don't know the unknowable.

A theist can tell me they "know" that there is a god but I'll just conclude that they don't know what knowledge is.

When you hop down of that high horse you might realise that you can't say for certain that there is no life after death either.

People can spend their whole life arguing about it but the reality is none of us know.

Sulla Felix · 24-09-2013 05:34PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Agnostic myself..but i don't care about religion and i dont care to think of it all too much. I too find loud atheist annoying and often not insulting to me, because i'm "sitting on the fence". I'm not sitting on the fence..i really dont care.

If you're not an atheist you're a theist. It's a defined dualism, so theres no maybe or none of the above option.

o1s1n · 24-09-2013 05:36PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

When you hop down of that high horse you might realise that you can't say for certain that there is no life after death either.

People can spend their whole life arguing about it but the reality is none of us know.

Indeed - but then why think there is when you cannot know for certain?

If you come from a logical point of view (which is all we really have) then there is no evidence to say that there is life after death. Therefore the default position needs to be 'there isn't any' - those claiming that there is need to provide some sort of proof.

Which they can't. So we'll endlessly go around in circles debating the fact :pac:

Zubeneschamali · 24-09-2013 05:41PM

seanie_c wrote: »

Scientists are using primitive instruments to read the universe and then pretend to have an answer how it was created.

Thinking the Universe was "created" is a religious idea, and while there are a minority of scientists who are religious, I've never heard of one who claimed that science proved their religious ideas.

salacious crumb · 24-09-2013 05:41PM

It's a question of belief. Nobody from any side of the argument can prove the existence or non existence of any god or gods.
I do not believe in any gods so I say I am an atheist.

Galwayguy35 · 24-09-2013 05:42PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Indeed - but then why think there is when you cannot know for certain?

If you come from a logical point of view (which is all we really have) then there is no evidence to say that there is life after death. Therefore the default position needs to be 'there isn't any' - those claiming that there is need to provide some sort of proof.

Which they can't. So we'll endlessly go around in circles debating the fact :pac:

It's a belief in something more, if I happen to hold that view I don't see why it should bother anyone else what i believe in.

Many hardline atheists seem to be obsessed with Christianity, I find this somewhat strange.

Turtwig · 24-09-2013 05:43PM

Agnostic atheist ignostic but more importantly: awesome!

FreshKnickers · 24-09-2013 05:44PM

I believe firmly that I may be agnostic perhaps.

Turtwig · 24-09-2013 05:44PM

FreshKnickers wrote: »

I believe firmly that I may be agnostic perhaps.

You can't know for certain though.

/gets coat.

Zubeneschamali · 24-09-2013 05:45PM

salacious crumb wrote: »

It's a question of belief. Nobody from any side of the argument can prove the existence or non existence of any god or gods.

If, for example, the Catholic god existed, it would be easy to prove, since he is supposed to answer prayers and work miracles.

But in order to preserve faith, he has to hide and only do it when no-one is looking.

Faith is important because shut up.

Rubeter · 24-09-2013 05:59PM

seanie_c wrote: »

Atheism is dogmatic when it uses dodgy science as evidence to prove a God doesn't exist when there really is no way of knowing right now for certain.

The amusing thing about this utterly incorrect (and illogical) statement is that it is the religious who use dodgy science to "prove" the existence of a god.

Seachmall · 24-09-2013 05:59PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

When you hop down of that high horse you might realise that you can't say for certain that there is no life after death either.

People can spend their whole life arguing about it but the reality is none of us know.

I've said twice, I think, in this thread that I don't know, can't know and make no claims to know.

That's exactly my point; it is impossible to know.

Therefore everybody is an agnostic. Regardless of whether they can bring themselves to admit it or not.

o1s1n · 24-09-2013 06:06PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's a belief in something more, if I happen to hold that view I don't see why it should bother anyone else what i believe in.

Many hardline atheists seem to be obsessed with Christianity, I find this somewhat strange.

It doesn't bother me, but perhaps I find it intriguing and just wish to know more? Discussing belief and why people believe certain things isn't a bad thing - sure didn't the lord himself go from town to town doing just that?

Many 'hardline athiests' enjoy discussing and debating Christianity as it was the religion they grew up with (and rejected) - again, there's nothing wrong with that either.

Wattle · 24-09-2013 06:16PM

I'd say a percentage of those who put down Catholic did so just in case they get scared on their deathbed and decide they better pray to a higher being just in case he exists. Hedging their bets basically.

smcgiff · 24-09-2013 06:21PM

Melina Fierce Wardroom wrote: »

Catholic.

oooh - controversial!

CrazyRabbit · 24-09-2013 06:26PM

seanie_c wrote: »

Yep, and scientists are not infallible.

Scientists once thought the milky way was our entire universe and they were wrong.

Our models of the universe and its origin are only as good as our knowledge of it today and I'm so sorry If I don't accept the dogmatic beliefs of some Atheists being absolute fact.

Scientists are using primitive instruments to read the universe and then pretend to have an answer how it was created. It's silly.

Slightly better that getting the answers from a bunch of 'stories' written in a ~2000-3500 year old series of books and taking it as fact.

Even if the scientists get it 90% wrong, they'll still do better.

But...scientific theory and religious beliefs and not mutually exclusive. In many ways, science can be seen as studying and understanding God's handiwork.

CrazyRabbit · 24-09-2013 06:28PM

I'm an agnostic. I swear to God (if he exists).

Geomy · 24-09-2013 06:33PM

Fck reality, give me goblins, demons, angels, unicorns, and almighty Thor any day.....

average hero · 24-09-2013 06:48PM

I'm a Christian/Catholic/Agnostic. I say agnostic because I don't know that there is a God but I have my faith in a superior being none the less.

I'm not militant about it and most people don't have a clue - it's a personal thing isn't it. Nothing annoys me more than the militants on either side.

Seachmall · 24-09-2013 06:53PM

average hero wrote: »

Nothing annoys me more than the militants on either side.

In fairness the militants on one side a little worse.

24-09-2013 06:56PM

forgotten password wrote: »

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techno viking :pac:

seanie_c · 24-09-2013 07:12PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Your posts are willfully stupid i think.

Thanks for calling me stupid, Atheist.

Rubeter wrote:

The amusing thing about this utterly incorrect (and illogical) statement is that it is the religious who use dodgy science to "prove" the existence of a god.

Shouldn't that be ironic instead of illogical?
Another fine misuse of logic by an Atheist.

I don't believe in any religions/cults and that includes Atheism.
So sorry.

Geomy · 24-09-2013 07:18PM

Seachmall wrote: »

In fairness the militants on one side a little worse.

That's why anyone with common sense will sit on the fence and have a laugh at the militants on either side, or be glad you're neither religious or atheist.

I think there's a discussion on the A+A forum about the word 'Atheism' and the goal posts are going from one end of the pitch to the other.

I don't like the fact that Atheists use homosexuality and the fact that religion is against it in a lot of their discussions, its not fair on the gay community.

I know a lot of Gay, Bisexuals and Lesbians who are spiritual and believe in a spiritual relm.
They get a lot of comfort from positive affirmations they read in new age spiritual books.

Agnosticism makes more sense to me, some atheists will say they don't believe in the sky gods but are not sure if there's a god, higher power or not.
More atheists just won't budge, and say there is no God or spiritual relm....

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