why is music today so ****e

Arawn · 22-09-2013 03:58AM

rob316 wrote: »

I swear I have to turn off the radio constantly I cant listen to another fake ass gangsta or depressing indie rock band.
I mean alot of 80s and 90s stuff was cheese but it had character and longevity, I cant see any of the chart stuff today been played 20 years from now atleast I hope not.
Im 26 so not old by any means. You just cant beat the golden oldies and 90's dance anthems imo.

Edit: chart stuff is my gripe

If thats your barometer for good music then I weep for musics future

windy shepard henderson · 22-09-2013 04:10AM

callaway92 wrote: »

Nostalgia yo'.

People your age were saying the same 10/15 years ago.

In 2025 or so, people will be looking back at bands like Arcade Fire wondering what has happened!

no they were'nt saying the same thing 10/15 years ago

at that time you had some of the best bands, dj's , rap artist's ect....

infact nearly every form of music over the 80's 90's and early to mid 2000's reached its highest peaks in terms of standerds bar the 60's of course!!!...... you cant honstley tell me there would have been room for the likes of avicii or miley cyrus over that time, bad enough her father got far too much air play with a line dancing one hit wonder !!!

windy shepard henderson · 22-09-2013 04:39AM

And for the record anyone who thinks were running out of cords in another world!!!

up to the early mid 2000's we didnt have the crap reality tv so called tallent shows that made idiots superstars for 5mins before some other clown came and took his or her place,

for example in ireland we had somthing simuler i cant remember what it was called i think it was your a star , one of the bands on the show at the time were called 21 demand's who seemed ok but wanted to play there own music as opposed to cover versions.

the judges and producers of the show told them they couldnt as no one at home would know any of there songs!!!!!!:mad: :mad:......whats the point then,

thankfuly after week 3 the band were voted off the show stuck with it for a few years changed there name to kodaline and are one of the most highly regarded bands in years to come from this country,

moral of the story is simple the music is there but the platform is not!!!

somefeen · 22-09-2013 04:45AM

There's always been **** music and there will always be good music.

wow sierra · 22-09-2013 04:53AM

Links234 wrote: »

Music today is awesome, they just don't play it on mainstream radio.

If OP had a real interest in music he would know that. FFS you get over worrying about chart music at about 17 - I am (sadly:() 30 years older than that and am still excited by new music.

It seems so ridiculously obvious to say but I suppose I will anyway

like someone said, the media has changed but music is still as exciting as ever. Just maybe don't expect it on mainstream radio.

But seriously is OP serious - 30 years ago before the Internet or ITunes or Youtube your didn't expect new music on mainstream radio - why on earth would you expect it now???

COYVB · 22-09-2013 05:30AM

fryup wrote: »

i persume theres only so many musical arrangments (notes & chords) you can put together

There's an infinite amount of combinations, as well as an infinite amount of rhythms for them to go in, and an almost infinite amount of sounds to be played in that infinite number of combinations and rhythms

bodhrandude · 22-09-2013 05:38AM

rob316 wrote: »

I swear I have to turn off the radio constantly I cant listen to another fake ass gangsta or depressing indie rock band.
I mean alot of 80s and 90s stuff was cheese but it had character and longevity, I cant see any of the chart stuff today been played 20 years from now atleast I hope not.
Im 26 so not old by any means. You just cant beat the golden oldies and 90's dance anthems imo.

Edit: chart stuff is my gripe

Just watch Later with Jools and throw yer radio out.

minidazzler · 22-09-2013 07:11AM

You're just plain old wrong OP. There is great music these days, it's just not great chart music.

The sh1t will eventually sink to the bottom while the best will rise and in 30 years you'll have some asshole saying the the music in the 10's was awesome. Because they'll only have the good music to go on.

Protip: Listen to Frank Turner, Scroobius Pip and Laura Marling.

MadsL · 22-09-2013 07:16AM

What your favourite type of music?

Something I never heard before.

Music today is terrible? Go find something you have never heard before; be it Bessy Smith (20s), Cajun music (zydeco of the 50s) or Amon Tobin (music now).

dharma200 · 22-09-2013 07:55AM

Stop listening to main stream radio for a start. Tune in to bbc radio 6 on a Sunday for the entire day, if you don't hear a few amazing so go ill eat my hat.

The problem is not the music but the narrow minded way in which people use media to access music.

Daveysil15 · 22-09-2013 09:05AM

I'm always looking for new music on Youtube. With a bit of digging I have found some real gems; stuff that is never played on the radio. That said, I think the chart music has been generally fairly good so far in the 10's. The 00's was just intolerable awful shyte.

fryup · 22-09-2013 11:20AM

COYVB wrote: »

There's an infinite amount of combinations, as well as an infinite amount of rhythms for them to go in, and an almost infinite amount of sounds to be played in that infinite number of combinations and rhythms

no there isn't, there's only a certain amount of keys, notes, chords on any musical instrument

Since there are 12 major scales, there are 12 major keys. Likewise, there are 12 minor scales and, therefore, 12 minor keys. So there are 24 keys all together.

so its not infinite, there is a set scale that musicans have to work within no matter what the music genre

http://www.studybass.com/lessons/harmony/keys-in-music/

HansHolzel · 22-09-2013 11:21AM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

The 00's was just intolerable awful shyte.

Yup

Irish Guitarist · 22-09-2013 11:24AM

If you're 26 then you're too young to remember what the charts were like in the eighties. You must have been born in 1987, which was the time the charts were taken over by Stock, Aitken and Waterman. A year later those musical geniuses Bros released their debut album.

Then there were those Levis jeans commercials which always had a song from the fifties or sixties which was then re-released as a single and topped the charts. In 1989 Jive Bunny became massively popular by releasing singles that consisted of loads of fifties and sixties songs badly mixed together. My guess is that their popularity was due to people hearing the songs in those Levis commercials and thinking "music in the fifties and sixties was much better than the crap we have in the eighties" just like people now think "music in the eighties was much better than all that X factor crap we have now".

HansHolzel · 22-09-2013 11:35AM

March 1986 saw a particular low, with the UK top three comprised of Cliff Richard and the Young Ones (Living Doll); Sam Cooke (some jeans ad) and Sam Fox (Touch Me I Want Your Body).

fryup · 22-09-2013 11:41AM

every decade had its sh!te.....but over the past decade sh!te music seems to be more accepted

e_e · 22-09-2013 12:23PM

"why is music today so ****e"

Because you're too lazy to find the good stuff.

stateofflux · 22-09-2013 12:32PM

i can't talk about dance cos it aint my thang...but for rock, metal and indie...the quality of output in the last ten years in general has been terrible and horribly derivative. arcade fire are also a wildly overrated band.

Ghost Buster · 22-09-2013 01:01PM

Why does every generation throw up people who, based on what is spoon fed to them on the radio, declare that 'Music today is ****e!!!'

Daveysil15 · 22-09-2013 01:44PM

e_e wrote: »

"why is music today so ****e"

Because you're too lazy to find the good stuff.

Yep. it takes a lot of scouring on Youtube. A lot of scouring!

e_e · 22-09-2013 01:46PM

Not really, just look up reviews (and I'm not talking NME/Q Magazine) and see what's getting acclaimed.

Hell there's a TONNE of great Electronic/Hip-Hop that's ignored just because it doesn't end up on Tesco shelves.

Daveysil15 · 22-09-2013 01:49PM

e_e wrote: »

Not really, just look up reviews (and I'm not talking NME/Q Magazine) and see what's getting acclaimed.

Hell there's a TONNE of great Electronic/Hip-Hop that's ignored just because it doesn't end up on Tesco shelves.

Yeah but even the reviews can be crap, or else the music you like is just not getting any reviews.

e_e · 22-09-2013 01:53PM

Some reviews may be bad (it's all subjective) but you can generally get a feel for what albums stick out on sites like metacritic and rateyourmusic.

P_1 · 22-09-2013 01:59PM

Chart music is horrific now, as others have said that's mainly due to reality shows and the folk in charge of things targeting the teenage girl market. This has led to sweet surypy non-offensive scheisse that has no subtlety whatsoever being played mostly on the radio or the telly.

Daveysil15 · 22-09-2013 02:12PM

P_1 wrote: »

Chart music is horrific now, as others have said that's mainly due to reality shows and the folk in charge of things targeting the teenage girl market. This has led to sweet surypy non-offensive scheisse that has no subtlety whatsoever being played mostly on the radio or the telly.

The youngsters have no sense of rebellion now. Gone are the days when rockers used to thrash hotel rooms and bite the heads off bats.

irishfeen · 22-09-2013 02:44PM

Its actually after getting much better of late... the rap s.hite seems to have faded away.

NegativeCreep · 22-09-2013 02:45PM

In fairness, the majority of stuff from the 80's and 90's didn't have longevity either.

DamagedTrax · 22-09-2013 02:49PM

There's plenty of good music out there if you know where to look. The problem is that the major labels have every genre you can think of sewn up, stuffed with generic cookie cutter crap. You just have to look at how Dubstep has infiltrated the charts, in the most severe watering down of an undeground genre that we've seen since hiphop went critical mass.

I work in the recording end of the industry and for every piece of crap tune i hear on the radio, i record 5 times as many that are great. The problem is that 99% of these bands dont guarantee the safe return that the majors want and when the market is already saturated, what chance have they got. As it is, Bands need a complete product before anyone will look at them. Gone are the days of demos, if you're not coming to the table with your album already recorded (and usually self financed), then you're just another failure in the music industry.

If you want to know why there's no great music readily available you only need to look at the greed of the major players in the industry to understand why its on it's arse.

Frank Lee Midere · 22-09-2013 03:02PM

It's all very well talking about great non-chart music but any era is judged by its famous songs not songs listened to only by a minority. I had minority tastes in the early nineties and if I were to mention the artists or songs their best friends might remember them but that's it.

I too blame reality shows.

EDIT: and you all downloaders.

Frank Lee Midere · 22-09-2013 03:04PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

There's plenty of good music out there if you know where to look. The problem is that the major labels have every genre you can think of sewn up, stuffed with generic cookie cutter crap. You just have to look at how Dubstep has infiltrated the charts, in the most severe watering down of an undeground genre that we've seen since hiphop went critical mass.

I work in the recording end of the industry and for every piece of crap tune i hear on the radio, i record 5 times as many that are great. The problem is that 99% of these bands dont guarantee the safe return that the majors want and when the market is already saturated, what chance have they got. As it is, Bands need a complete product before anyone will look at them. Gone are the days of demos, if you're not coming to the table with your album already recorded (and usually self financed), then you're just another failure in the music industry.

If you want to know why there's no great music readily available you only need to look at the greed of the major players in the industry to understand why its on it's arse.

To be fair to the labels they used to use successful artists to finance the less successful ones. If the successful artists are dropping sales then....

why is music today so ****e

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