why is music today so ****e

rob316

I swear I have to turn off the radio constantly I cant listen to another fake ass gangsta or depressing indie rock band.
I mean alot of 80s and 90s stuff was cheese but it had character and longevity, I cant see any of the chart stuff today been played 20 years from now atleast I hope not.
Im 26 so not old by any means. You just cant beat the golden oldies and 90's dance anthems imo.

Edit: chart stuff is my gripe

djflawless

Answer is simple

prepubescant sacks

callaway92

Nostalgia yo'.

People your age were saying the same 10/15 years ago.

In 2025 or so, people will be looking back at bands like Arcade Fire wondering what has happened!

Nodin

.....you were doing ok until 'dance anthems'.....

Links234

Music today is awesome, they just don't play it on mainstream radio.

hedzball

Its the small cünts with the tight pants..

Its the young Cuñts who buy their shîote..


And its the old cünts who pay for it all..







'hdz

Chancer3001

L sten to jake bugg and get back to me

whirlpool

Because it's more disposable today than ever. There's no commitment involved anymore. You pay 99c for a piece of crap on iTunes. You used to be charged 4.99 for a CD single, or 15.99 for an album. And if you were gonna fork out that much money, you wanted quality. Not like today.

djflawless

Nodin wrote: »

.....you were doing ok until 'dance anthems'.....

To be fair....thats bull
90's dance-revolution in music by anyones standards.if you cant think of at least 5 90's dance anthems that didnt have you thinking, "hey, thats not bad!" you have a serious upset mind

LOL The oldies were always the best, Like fúck they were, every year has its share of great & crap songs, just ignore the crap and enjoy the best.

It really doesn't matte if it was produced last week or forty years ago if you like it.

Just listened to Blondie "call Me" on youtube.

rob316

Links234 wrote: »

Music today is awesome, they just don't play it on mainstream radio.

Yes very true. Mainstream stuff is my gripe i just cant remember it been this bad.There is some ok stuff but people like bieber, flo rida, pitbull, blackeyed peas etc are awful

Rho b

Ahh your just getting older. I am subjected to the crap that my parents listened/danced to when I go to the odd country relatives wedding. Having said that, it's not that bad but not to my taste.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was.

Judgement Day

A lot of the so-called music today is no better than static feedback. Fecking Bang Bang Style or whatever it's called drives me demented. That said, I'm a dinosaur that gave up buying records back in the '70s when when I was still a teenager. There were some real musicians back then - Rory Gallagher, Deep Purple, Free ........I'll get my coat.

rob316

Nodin wrote: »

.....you were doing ok until 'dance anthems'.....

That music defined a generation and culture going into the noughties ( always hate that word). It wasn't to everyones taste but it was powerful feel good stuff. Dance and heavy metal was the music I grew up on.

Clandestine

Yes

Music

today

is

so

terrible

steve_wonder

chart music is awful these days

Nodin

djflawless wrote: »

To be fair....thats bull
90's dance-revolution in music by anyones standards.if you cant think of at least 5 90's dance anthems that didnt have you thinking, "hey, thats not bad!" you have a serious upset mind

...it was never my thing. Some of the prodigys later stuff isn't bad, that being said. The best use I had for dance music was that it got attractive women up doing their thing. Other than that....

Kerplunk124

Music is great these days...you just dig through the sh1t to find it

Judgement Day

Judgement Day wrote: »

A lot of the so-called music today is no better than static feedback. Fecking Bang Bang Style or whatever it's called drives me demented. That said, I'm a dinosaur that gave up buying records back in the '70s when when I was still a teenager. There were some real musicians back then - Rory Gallagher, Deep Purple, Free ........I'll get my coat.

You're a similar age to me so, the "noise" my son plays makes my ears bleed! but having said that, there's plenty of decent stuff out there right now.

edit you forgot argent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anpMFcae9rI

Vito Corleone

djflawless wrote: »

To be fair....thats bull
90's dance-revolution in music by anyones standards.if you cant think of at least 5 90's dance anthems that didnt have you thinking, "hey, thats not bad!" you have a serious upset mind

Well, I guess I have a "serious upset mind".

experiMental

If you listen to music on the radio, then most of it is rubbish. However, in USA, Canada, Japan and Russia there are always new and interesting artists around. So not all of today's music is ****e. Don't forget that music is also being produced in non-English speaking countries as well. You just have to look further to find something decent than ever before.

returnNull

djflawless wrote: »

To be fair....thats bull
90's dance-revolution in music by anyones standards.if you cant think of at least 5 90's dance anthems that didnt have you thinking, "hey, thats not bad!" you have a serious upset mind

when I hear 'dance anthems' I think of diet trance and all the marketing hype that the big record companys released with gatecrashers 15 and trance anthems 32 :pac:

strangely enough am just reading boards listening to this

mohawk

steve_wonder wrote: »

chart music is awful these days

I have always thought that but I was a major music snob growing up who didn't like any band once they got popular. I have since grown up out of that annoying habit.

Links234

Everyone here needs to watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaEnaoydUUo

Daveysil15

rob316 wrote: »

I swear I have to turn off the radio constantly I cant listen to another fake ass gangsta or depressing indie rock band.
I mean alot of 80s and 90s stuff was cheese but it had character and longevity, I cant see any of the chart stuff today been played 20 years from now atleast I hope not.
Im 26 so not old by any means. You just cant beat the golden oldies and 90's dance anthems imo.

IMO the pop/dance music is a lot better now than what is was during the early to mid 00's. God there was some terrible music during the naughties. Yes the 80's and 90's were better, but the main disappointment now is that there is no decent rock music anymore.

Femme_Fatale

Plenty of great music today, but chart music is way worse than it used to be. That's not "music snobbery" or having rose-tinted spectacles in relation to the past. X Factor and auto-tune and all that stuff has had an effect on chart music over the past 10 to 15 years.

rob316

Daveysil15 wrote: »

IMO the pop/dance music is a lot better now than what is was during the early to mid 00's. God there was some terrible music during the naughties. Yes the 80's and 90's were better, but the main disappointment now is that there is no decent rock music anymore.

Yes no decent rock music is a tragedy I cant stand this indie stuff killers, snow patrol and all these other bunch of old mans arses.

Zaph

djflawless wrote: »

if you cant think of at least 5 90's dance anthems that didnt have you thinking, "hey, thats not bad!" you have a serious upset mind

There must be no hope for my mind so, I can't think of a single dance anthem from any time that I didn't think was utter sh*te.

Today, we have this thing called the internet, it allows us to listen to exactly what we want to listen to and when we want to listen to it,

Paranoid by Black Sabbath in the background!

LOUD!

the_syco

rob316 wrote: »

I swear I have to turn off the radio constantly I cant listen to another fake ass gangsta or depressing indie rock band.
I mean alot of 80s and 90s stuff was cheese but it had character and longevity, I cant see any of the chart stuff today been played 20 years from now atleast I hope not.
Im 26 so not old by any means. You just cant beat the golden oldies and 90's dance anthems imo.

Edit: chart stuff is my gripe

Radios are paid to play stuff to get it sold. Maybe try and find an internet radio station that plays the sort of music that you like?

HansHolzel

Reeling in the Years displayed the problem in a stark fashion.

The muzak to the Noughties version is f*cking truly dreadful.

The mine in America that provided/inspired the good stuff from the 1950s to the 1990s is now exhausted.

djflawless

the_syco wrote: »

Radios are paid to play stuff to get it sold. Maybe try and find an internet radio station that plays the sort of music that you like?

Flirt fm-the "choons" 4 u


Look it has to be said, dance music has and will have its revolutions

dancs has had its ups and downs

but its what people crave at the time,
Like all the artists that have figured that the best selling music at the min is 90% electro

just look thru imro records the past 3 years!!!
Dance pop (i fckuing hate most of the crap) is thriving atm

4-5 months time, a new "genre" of dance music will be chart toppers

another stat to prove the uprise of dance music....oxegen and the picnic headliner changes the past 3 years

AtomicHorror

whirlpool wrote: »

Because it's more disposable today than ever. There's no commitment involved anymore. You pay 99c for a piece of crap on iTunes. You used to be charged 4.99 for a CD single, or 15.99 for an album. And if you were gonna fork out that much money, you wanted quality. Not like today.

Ah yes the good old days. Don't kid yourself, you were not paying for quality. You were paying for the record label, factory, shipping trucks, distribution centres, shops and hundreds of other middle men between you and the artist. Music is cheaper now because it's not dependant on these things anymore.

If the "quality" has genuinely dropped off in some sense- and I don't even know how we'd determine that- it's got nothing to do with the price of music.

djflawless

With the influence of the interweb, finding new, raw artists has never been easier

Godeatsboogers

Is music ****e today? I dont think it is, I think youre listening to sub par radio stations.

FatherTed

There is some good rock music out there by new bands, you just have to forget the mainstream radio and find the music that suits you.

But really on this day and age I don't know why this is even an issue with the amount of music you can store on your phone/listening device and how easy it is to buy and use it. Not to mention Pandora/Internet and satelitte radio where you can pick and choose the stations that play the music you like.

Dicky Pride

I can remember listening to the bee gees "you win again" in 1987. I was 7. I heard it today and it brought back a lot of memories. And then it hit me...that song, and all those other great 80s hits...was a chart song. We think of it as an oldie but sometimes forget that it was a piece of chart music like Miley Cyrus and Justin bieber. Is it any wonder why nostalgia is so popular?

eyeball kid

rob316 wrote: »

Yes no decent rock music is a tragedy I cant stand this indie stuff killers, snow patrol and all these other bunch of old mans arses.

Snow patrol and the Killers are indie? Not sure about that. They're about as mainstream rock as you can get these days but not really indie.

I honestly don't think I've ever heard a song by 1 direction or Justin Beiber or anyone like that. I find it pretty easy to avoid all that kind of stuff and just listen to the music I want to generally.

B.A._Baracus

I think the problem with mainstream music is demographic. Think about it. I am a dude pushing 30. No way Justin Beibler for example would appeal to me. I am not a teenage girl. But the biggest market out there is the teenage audience.

So as we get older we push away from mainstream music. My two cents anyway.

fryup

because we've run out of keys and chords

i'm not technically musical but i persume theres only so many musical arrangments (notes & chords) you can put together and at this stage there nearly all been used up esp in pop music....can anyone confirm this??

eyeball kid

eyeball kid wrote: »

Snow patrol and the Killers are indie? Not sure about that. They're about as mainstream rock as you can get these days but not really indie.

I honestly don't think I've ever heard a song by 1 direction or Justin Beiber or anyone like that. I find it pretty easy to avoid all that kind of stuff and just listen to the music I want to generally.

Always best to keep an open mind, otherwise you could miss out on something that's completely awesome, or just avoid a load of shiít

AtomicHorror

HansHolzel wrote: »

Reeling in the Years displayed the problem in a stark fashion.

The muzak to the Noughties version is f*cking truly dreadful.

The mine in America that provided/inspired the good stuff from the 1950s to the 1990s 2000s is now exhausted.

Corrected for 2023 edition.

AtomicHorror

fryup wrote: »

because we've run out of keys and chords

i'm not technically musical but i persume theres only so many musical arrangments (notes & chords) you can put together and at this stage there nearly all been used up esp in pop music....can anyone confirm this??

Yeah, no that's horse****.

whirlpool

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Ah yes the good old days. Don't kid yourself, you were not paying for quality. You were paying for the record label, factory, shipping trucks, distribution centres, shops and hundreds of other middle men between you and the artist. Music is cheaper now because it's not dependant on these things anymore.

If the "quality" has genuinely dropped off in some sense- and I don't even know how we'd determine that- it's got nothing to do with the price of music.

No. My point was not that more money equaled better quality.

My point was that if you were going to be charged five times more, back then, for music than you would be charged today, then people were more likely to choose something of better quality.

The minimum you used to have to spend to purchase a song was upwards of €4. Today, that figure is more like 79c.

Today you don't have to spend as much as you used to to get a song, so people spend their money more flippantly without thinking about it as much as before. Less thought goes into the purchase, which leads to spending money on lower quality.

fryup

fryup wrote: »

because we've run out of keys and chords

i'm not technically musical but i persume theres only so many musical arrangments (notes & chords) you can put together and at this stage there nearly all been used up esp in pop music....can anyone confirm this??

Yes, and only a small proportion of them are pleasing to the ear, copy them and you risk being sued by some established musicians label.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

thats what i'm getting at

there's only so many chord & keys that can be used and after time its becoming more and more difficult to come up with an original arrangement that will be appealing and pleasing to the ear

AtomicHorror

whirlpool wrote: »

No. My point was not that more money equaled better quality.

My point was that if you were going to be charged five times more, back then, for music than you would be charged today, then people were more likely to choose something of better quality.

Sure, or at least that which is agreed to be so by word of mouth or music critics or whatever. Purchases were more selective, yes.

whirlpool wrote: »

The minimum you used to have to spend to purchase a song was upwards of €4. Today, that figure is more like 79c.

Today you don't have to spend as much as you used to to get a song, so people spend their money more flippantly without thinking about it as much as before. Less thought goes into the purchase, which leads to spending money on lower quality.

And why would that mean that poorer quality music becomes more popular overall? Granted, it means that more poor-quality tracks find their way to peoples ears. But the stuff that will spread by word of mouth and the stuff that gets repeat business for that artist will do so based on the same criteria as always. The question you haven't answered is whether the new ecosystem favours poor quality tracks over good quality ones. Whether the relative uptake has changed.

Here's the key thing: if good quality tracks also "do better" (more sales, more listens, whatever) in the new ecosystem, and if they do better to an equal or greater extent than poor quality tracks, then the increased uptake of poor quality tracks has no significant meaning. The radio stations will still play the quality tracks (assuming the radio stations play based on relative popularity of tracks), the charts will still reflect the better quality and the guy in your office who hums all the time will be humming a quality choon.

For your assertion to be true, poor quality tracks would need to be doing better relative to good quality tracks in the new ecosystem. I'm dying to know how you've established that to be the case (and how you've managed to define "quality" music).

Lightbulb Sun

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

thats what i'm getting at

there's only so many chord & keys that can be used and after time its becoming more and more difficult to come up with an original arrangement that will be appealing and pleasing to the ear

Not true, that's where creativity comes into play. And it hasn't just magically run out as we've entered a new decade.

AtomicHorror

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, and only a small proportion of them are pleasing to the ear, copy them and you risk being sued by some established musicians label.

A short melody of about 20 notes can be configured in 12 to the power of 20 different ways (3.83x10^21- a ****ing huge number), and that's before we add extras like harmony, tempo, time signature and dynamics (or say, 3 more minutes of melody). Sure, in the grand scheme of things, most of those trillions of melodies are going to sound like crap, but that's a subjective assessment that shifts over time with changes in culture. Most modern classics would sound horrible to a person from even just a century ago.

There's plenty of new music to be composed, and even copyrights die eventually.

fryup

Lightbulb Sun wrote: »

Not true, that's where creativity comes into play. And it hasn't just magically run out as we've entered a new decade.

but with time its becoming more difficult to be creative & original...and theres very few artists out there who seem to be capable of it