1000 trees chopped down to make women feel safe at night

CrazyRabbit · 22-09-2013 02:15AM

They tried to do the same in my area last year, but residents got wind of it beforehand and protested enough to have it stopped.

They gave the same reason as well....trees blocking street lights. Complete rubbish.

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 02:18AM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

They tried to do the same in my area last year, but residents got wind of it beforehand and protested enough to have it stopped.

They gave the same reason as well....trees blocking street lights. Complete rubbish.

Fair play so.....people power.:)

Also the more trees that they just cut down,the more wildlife that disappears too.:(

Bog Standard User · 22-09-2013 08:49AM

paddy147 wrote: »

If so then whats its like there now with no trees?

Thanks.:)

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smoggy no clean air to breathe.

beside everyone who is nervous about walking at night can always get a bus or taxi, or get a loved one to drive them

Wibbs · 22-09-2013 09:01AM

woodoo wrote: »

Who the hell makes these decisions.

Having dealt with some of them on a professional basis... well let me put it this way if I gave an accurate description and applied it to a fellow Boardsie I'd be permanently sitebanned. You genuinely would be surprised and even shocked by what passes for a thought process in many of them. Imagine Gervais' The Office on horse tranquilisers with more paperwork and pointless meetings.

In urban areas trees make such a difference. You can usually tell you've gone into an area of disadvantage as there are no trees(scumbags won't suffer a sapling to live).

Gosub · 22-09-2013 09:12AM

Maybe the council should examine their lighting policy. Instead of destroying the environment, they should use the trees to light the area around them. LED lighting has come a long way in recent years. Trees lit with LEDs look fantastic too.

But no, it's probably expecting too much of any council to think of a solution other than destruction.

Bog Standard User · 22-09-2013 09:22AM

Gosub wrote: »

Maybe the council should examine their lighting policy. Instead of destroying the environment, they should use the trees to light the area around them. LED lighting has come a long way in recent years. Trees lit with LEDs look fantastic too.

But no, it's probably expecting too much of any council to think of a solution other than destruction.

glow in the dark trees is the way forward. using gene technology perhaps they could develop a gene for trees that makes them glow in the dark... hell they did it with rabbits. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/8/13/1376428706306/glowing-green-rabbits-001.jpg

no electricity bills (which would require more fossil fuels to be burned to power the esb generators)

tritium · 22-09-2013 09:27AM

Since the CC claim this is on the basis of a couple of complaints it should be easy for all the outraged boardsies here to put far more complaints in to the CC to retain them

Then ask one of the national newspapers to do an piece on it

Complete with FOI request re number of complaints for each side ( just for when they give the same excuse to the media)

Rovi · 22-09-2013 09:55AM

http://www.herald.ie/news/fury-as-1000-trees-given-council-chop-29595531.html

"We had received a complaint...

"a" complaint.

That's one, singular, lone, individual, unique, solitary complaint.

dxhound2005 · 22-09-2013 10:15AM

I find it odd that a Green Party activist would not have made it his business to be aware of this issue. He complains about non consultation. What is the Council meant to do? Write to everyone in Fingal every time they want to cut the grass?

Maybe they thought that if they publicised their plan too much every tree would have it's own eco warrior chained to it when they went along with their chainsaws. Anyway there are another 39,000 trees left according to their website and they plan to plant another 1,000 to replace these ones.

Bog Standard User · 22-09-2013 10:16AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I find it odd that a Green Party activist would not have made it his business to be aware of this issue. He complains about non consultation. What is the Council meant to do? Write to everyone in Fingal every time they want to cut the grass?

Maybe they thought that if they publicised their plan too much every tree would have it's own eco warrior chained to it when they went along with their chainsaws. Anyway there are another 39,000 trees left according to their website and they plan to plant another 1,000 to replace these ones.

green party? who are they? didnt that party disband after the last election?

No Pants · 22-09-2013 10:29AM

They cut down one outside my house earlier thus year. I did receive a letter about it in advance and called to object, but it was cut down anyway. It was beside a light and did block some of the light, but this ceased in autumn/winter when the leaves fell.

If I was going to walk home regularly through a dark area, I'd bring a torch. Don't see where the council comes into it.

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 11:36AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I find it odd that a Green Party activist would not have made it his business to be aware of this issue. He complains about non consultation. What is the Council meant to do? Write to everyone in Fingal every time they want to cut the grass?

Maybe they thought that if they publicised their plan too much every tree would have it's own eco warrior chained to it when they went along with their chainsaws. Anyway there are another 39,000 trees left according to their website and they plan to plant another 1,000 to replace these ones.

Councils tend to say and prommise things that dont ever happen.:pac:

Im sure various people here on boards can verify that where trees where cut down,1-2 years later nothing has been planted in their place.

They did it with Artane roundabout at Artane Castle...the dug the fuk out of it and concreted it in and over......it used to be so well kept with beautifull flowers and annuals.:)

One day alome came the council trucks,dug it all out and concreted it.

They could have sown/scattered some wildflower/meadow flower seeds and left nature to do its thing,but nope good auld concrete instead.:rolleyes:

They tried to do the same with the larger roundabout on the Malahide road many many years ago,and they backtracked on it,as there was uproar over them doing away with the trees and shrubs and them trying to concrete it over instead.

snubbleste · 22-09-2013 11:39AM

What about men's safety?

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 11:43AM

They also tried to take down some of the trees along Portmarnock and Malahide about 4-5 years ago..and the reason given at the time was that some of the trees were blocking the view from some of the residents houses (on the far side of the road and up on a hill aswell) out over the sea.

The trees are still standing today,thank god.

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 11:53AM

snubbleste wrote: »

What about men's safety?

I know the chap who used to maintain the roundabouts.....its a cost cutting measure and nothing more.

All the plants and shrubs for alot of the areas around St Annes Park come from the DCCs own Nursery in St Annes Park,and they decided one day to just cut back on plants,planting and manpower for maintaining the various locations.

The residents spend more time planting and maintaining the various areas these days than DCC and FCC does.

RandomName2 · 22-09-2013 11:58AM

Glad to see the property tax is being put to good use. :pac:

Bog Standard User · 22-09-2013 12:00PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Glad to see the property tax is being put to good use. :pac:

lol that money went straight into troika's arse pockets

Allyall · 22-09-2013 12:17PM

Fingal county council are the most useless, nepotistical, and other things (that would lead me to be accused of speculating) pieces of cr@p.

They cut down a load of trees a while ago stating they had dutch elm disease. It may have been true, they should've said it about those too.

They should make every single decision more transparent, I don't even get why they exist. More useless than the Seanad.

snubbleste · 22-09-2013 12:20PM

All local authorities are the same. Zero accountability and nobody gets fired even if they screw-up royally.
And your property tax is going to fund the top heavy administration and their defined benefit pensions

cowzerp · 22-09-2013 12:34PM

They should be planting more tree's not removing the ones we have now-Ignorance to the environment and to wildlife is all this is.

PizzamanIRL · 22-09-2013 12:50PM

So the FCC won't let me be,
Trying to cut me down and the other trees,
But it won't be that bright without me.

Allyall · 22-09-2013 12:51PM

paddy147 wrote: »

"Fingal County Council has insisted the trees must be destroyed because they block street lights, making women anxious as they walk at night".

Does anyone here live in any of the areas affected?

If so then whats its like there now with no trees?

Thanks.:)

They've been doing it and planning it for quite a while it seems.
Doubt it ever had anything to do with "making Women Anxious".. Stupid excuse tbh.

From Here
TOWARDS A TREE STRATEGY FOR FINGAL
'The Forest of Fingal'

http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/1tknrd

TOWARDS A TREE STRATEGY FOR FINGAL
Communities must acknowledge that city trees provide a wide range of net benefits. Trees are essential to the current and future health of cities and their inhabitants. The tree renewal process within citiesmust be managed because natural regeneration will not meet theneeds of providing continuous cover. The ‘urban forest’ is composed of all trees in the community regardlessof ownership. The pattern of ownership and management of treeswithin a city varies greatly; the division of responsibilities can createproblems and differences of opinion between different interest groups,communities, businesses and Local Authority departments. There canbe problems of communication, conflicting priorities andmisunderstandings which result in difficulties for all those involved inmanaging trees.

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/CommunityRecreationandAmenitiesDepartment/Parks/ATreeStrategyforFingal/FileDownload,31760,en.pdf

http://www.tommybroughan.com/newsite/index.php/fingal-reports-on-baysidesutton-tree-removal/

http://www.dublinpeople.ie/article.php?id=1815
http://www.northsidepeople.ie/article.php?id=969

http://www.forestfriends.ie/cgi-bin/topics.cgi?op=print_topic;cat=events;id=1837

Captain Chaos · 22-09-2013 12:53PM

If we had more trees we would not need a carbon tax as the trees would soak it all up. Now, less trees, more carbon so opens the door for more tax. Solved.

wil · 22-09-2013 01:54PM

cowzerp wrote: »

They should be planting more tree's not removing the ones we have now-Ignorance to the environment and to wildlife is all this is.

Research shows a definite link between trees and better health for people living on tree lined streets.

there is ample research out there supporting trees and green space as a mechanism to improve air quality, reduce stress, increase physical activity, moderate temperature and buffer stressful life events.

the_syco · 22-09-2013 02:04PM

paddy147 wrote: »

Thats the reason/excuse that Fingal County Council have come up with to justify chopping down 1000 trees around housing estates in North County Dublin.

http://www.herald.ie/news/fury-as-1000-trees-given-council-chop-29595531.html

It said all trees within five metres of a street light would be removed over the next five years, based on international best practice.

Now, it could just be where I live but when all the estates were built, a tree was put at the "inbetween" bit on the grass area next to the road, and sometimes they'd plant the tree next to the light, so it seems like they are trying to blame the women for fixing their own mistake?

Dynamo Roller · 22-09-2013 02:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I planted about 4000 willow a couple of years ago, I'll start coppicing it next year.

Toasty!

What do you plan to use it for? Sell it to Bord na Mona or for Wicker?

22-09-2013 02:59PM

Dynamo Roller wrote: »

What do you plan to use it for? Sell it to Bord na Mona or for Wicker?

I have a wood burner, they'll heat the house.

Stheno · 22-09-2013 03:07PM

Wonder is there any point bringing this up with local councillors?

dsmythy · 22-09-2013 03:40PM

Rovi wrote: »

http://www.herald.ie/news/fury-as-1000-trees-given-council-chop-29595531.html

"a" complaint.

That's one, singular, lone, individual, unique, solitary complaint.

Well damn I should have made much more complaints over the years....

Karona · 22-09-2013 10:08PM

Next they will be looking for a way to charge for water.... oh wait!

1000 trees chopped down to make women feel safe at night

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